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  32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-07-30 07:00 +0200
    Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-07-30 16:50 +0200
      Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-02 14:20 +0200
      Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-02 14:20 +0200
        Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-02 14:30 +0200
        Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-02 14:30 +0200
          Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-02 15:00 +0200
            Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-03 18:50 +0200
        Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-02 14:30 +0200
    Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-03 19:00 +0200
      Re: 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-03 19:30 +0200

#237906 — 32b upgrade to 64 b; Boot.plist

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Hi beautiful ideals!
Decided to install Virtual Machine & Docker in this 14 year old ex-Macbook.
In which I installed Debian "Buster" i386 32 bits. As some of you know, I
did some failures during installation, the dvd player "hung" a bit several
times, so I saw it installing at least 3 times. I made a puzzling
observation: 64 came up a lot of times, but the machine seemed to handle
it. ("Is it 64 bits anyway?" I wondered.)
Now I found the following information in Wikipedia:
" Mac OS X 10.6 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard> is
the first version of macOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS> that
supports a 64-bit kernel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)>.
"
n Snow Leopard, most built-in applications have been rebuilt to use the
64-bit x86-64 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64> architecture
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set_architecture> (excluding
iTunes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes>, Front Row
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Row_(software)>, Grapher
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapher> and DVD Player
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Player_(software)> applications).[43]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard#cite_note-43> They
will run in 32-bit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-bit> mode on machines
with 32-bit processors, and in 64-bit mode on machines with 64-bit
processors.
A change to the com.apple.Boot.plist will also enable users with compatible
computers to permanently boot into 64-bit for those wishing to do so.
After upgrading the kernel from 32b to 64b, if advisable & possible.
How to do that? Clean reinstall I guess optional, but will that suffice?
Geg

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#237925

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 06:53:18AM +0200, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Hi beautiful ideals!
> Decided to install Virtual Machine & Docker in this 14 year old ex-Macbook.
> In which I installed Debian "Buster" i386 32 bits. As some of you know, I
> did some failures during installation, the dvd player "hung" a bit several
> times, so I saw it installing at least 3 times. I made a puzzling
> observation: 64 came up a lot of times, but the machine seemed to handle
> it. ("Is it 64 bits anyway?" I wondered.)
> Now I found the following information in Wikipedia:
> " Mac OS X 10.6 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard> is
> the first version of macOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS> that
> supports a 64-bit kernel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)>.
> "
> n Snow Leopard, most built-in applications have been rebuilt to use the
> 64-bit x86-64 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64> architecture
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set_architecture> (excluding
> iTunes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes>, Front Row
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Row_(software)>, Grapher
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapher> and DVD Player
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Player_(software)> applications).[43]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard#cite_note-43> They
> will run in 32-bit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-bit> mode on machines
> with 32-bit processors, and in 64-bit mode on machines with 64-bit
> processors.
> A change to the com.apple.Boot.plist will also enable users with compatible
> computers to permanently boot into 64-bit for those wishing to do so.
> After upgrading the kernel from 32b to 64b, if advisable & possible.
> How to do that? Clean reinstall I guess optional, but will that suffice?
> Geg

Straightforwardly:

Which _model_ Macbook is it? [About this Mac under MacOS]

If you run hwinfo under Debian- what does it say?

If you run cpuinfo under Debian - what does it say

For Macs of this vintage: (2006/2007 Core 2 Duo)

    iMac 5,1 – iMac 5,2 – iMac 6,1
    Macbook 2,1
    MacBook Pro 2,1 – MacBook Pro 2,2
    Mac Pro 1,1
    Xserve 1,1 (maybe)

They have a 32 bit EFI and a 64 bit processor.

You might want to try with the Debian multi-arch CD which might sort it out.

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-10.10.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso

or, in exceptional cases for only a couple of models:

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-mac-10.10.0-amd64-netinst.iso

If you only have a small amount of memory, you may want to consider that 
running virtual machines / Docker may be quite frustrating.

Hope this helps

All the very best as ever,

Andy Cater

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#238023

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Are there alternatives to VM, & does it help w/external ssd 1tb?
Are external RAM available?
Geg

On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 15:11 Gunnar Gervin, <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mac 2.1 2007. Version: 3.O, PVT
> Vesa Bios, Intel 82945 GM
> Notebook Mac 4208 VAA
> Software Rev: 256 Modes: 36
> Bootloader: Isolinux
> 2 Core 64 bit Mem: 3055 MB
> Needs now:
> VM builder alternatives to CHEF.
> BR,
> Geg.
>
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021, 16:02 Gunnar Gervin, <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tried Virtual Machine it, but the DVD player doesn work, cannot unzip (to
>> download & use Etcher to burn USB), Multiwriter doesn`t work.
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 at 14:59, Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>> Thx for answering.
>>> I don't know which of them it is, except for a Macbook.
>>> It was a OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard.
>>> But it isn't a Mac now; it is a Debian 10.9 Buster w/ a 160 GB ATA
>>> Toshiba 1655GS. Many Mac hotkeys work, so some Mac software is left in it.
>>>
>>> https://www.hdsentinel.com/storageinfo_details.php?lang=en&model=TOSHIBA%20MK1655GSX
>>> https://support.apple.com/kb/SP575?locale=en_US
>>> Seems it is 64 Bit totally or in parts 64, parts 32.
>>> But my dvd player has stopped working, and it won't use the external dvd
>>> player; doesn`t see it seems.
>>> Multiwriter won't mount, which is requested before burning it to USB
>>> Flash drive. `Cause Multiwriter is not listed when clicking Mount.
>>> Terminal cannot burn the (lengthy) path in downloads. Basically the
>>> computer gets worse little by little.
>>> geg
>>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 16:40, Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 06:53:18AM +0200, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
>>>> > Hi beautiful ideals!
>>>> > Decided to install Virtual Machine & Docker in this 14 year old
>>>> ex-Macbook.
>>>> > In which I installed Debian "Buster" i386 32 bits. As some of you
>>>> know, I
>>>> > did some failures during installation, the dvd player "hung" a bit
>>>> several
>>>> > times, so I saw it installing at least 3 times. I made a puzzling
>>>> > observation: 64 came up a lot of times, but the machine seemed to
>>>> handle
>>>> > it. ("Is it 64 bits anyway?" I wondered.)
>>>> > Now I found the following information in Wikipedia:
>>>> > " Mac OS X 10.6 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard>
>>>> is
>>>> > the first version of macOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS> that
>>>> > supports a 64-bit kernel <
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)>.
>>>> > "
>>>> > n Snow Leopard, most built-in applications have been rebuilt to use
>>>> the
>>>> > 64-bit x86-64 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64> architecture
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set_architecture>
>>>> (excluding
>>>> > iTunes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes>, Front Row
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Row_(software)>, Grapher
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapher> and DVD Player
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Player_(software)>
>>>> applications).[43]
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard#cite_note-43>
>>>> They
>>>> > will run in 32-bit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-bit> mode on
>>>> machines
>>>> > with 32-bit processors, and in 64-bit mode on machines with 64-bit
>>>> > processors.
>>>> > A change to the com.apple.Boot.plist will also enable users with
>>>> compatible
>>>> > computers to permanently boot into 64-bit for those wishing to do so.
>>>> > After upgrading the kernel from 32b to 64b, if advisable & possible.
>>>> > How to do that? Clean reinstall I guess optional, but will that
>>>> suffice?
>>>> > Geg
>>>>
>>>> Straightforwardly:
>>>>
>>>> Which _model_ Macbook is it? [About this Mac under MacOS]
>>>>
>>>> If you run hwinfo under Debian- what does it say?
>>>>
>>>> If you run cpuinfo under Debian - what does it say
>>>>
>>>> For Macs of this vintage: (2006/2007 Core 2 Duo)
>>>>
>>>>     iMac 5,1 – iMac 5,2 – iMac 6,1
>>>>     Macbook 2,1
>>>>     MacBook Pro 2,1 – MacBook Pro 2,2
>>>>     Mac Pro 1,1
>>>>     Xserve 1,1 (maybe)
>>>>
>>>> They have a 32 bit EFI and a 64 bit processor.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to try with the Debian multi-arch CD which might sort it
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-10.10.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
>>>>
>>>> or, in exceptional cases for only a couple of models:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-mac-10.10.0-amd64-netinst.iso
>>>>
>>>> If you only have a small amount of memory, you may want to consider
>>>> that
>>>> running virtual machines / Docker may be quite frustrating.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>> All the very best as ever,
>>>>
>>>> Andy Cater
>>>>
>>>>

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#238024

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Mac 2.1 2007. Version: 3.O, PVT
Vesa Bios, Intel 82945 GM
Notebook Mac 4208 VAA
Software Rev: 256 Modes: 36
Bootloader: Isolinux
2 Core 64 bit Mem: 3055 MB
Needs now:
VM builder alternatives to CHEF.
BR,
Geg.

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021, 16:02 Gunnar Gervin, <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tried Virtual Machine it, but the DVD player doesn work, cannot unzip (to
> download & use Etcher to burn USB), Multiwriter doesn`t work.
>
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 at 14:59, Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Andy,
>> Thx for answering.
>> I don't know which of them it is, except for a Macbook.
>> It was a OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard.
>> But it isn't a Mac now; it is a Debian 10.9 Buster w/ a 160 GB ATA
>> Toshiba 1655GS. Many Mac hotkeys work, so some Mac software is left in it.
>>
>> https://www.hdsentinel.com/storageinfo_details.php?lang=en&model=TOSHIBA%20MK1655GSX
>> https://support.apple.com/kb/SP575?locale=en_US
>> Seems it is 64 Bit totally or in parts 64, parts 32.
>> But my dvd player has stopped working, and it won't use the external dvd
>> player; doesn`t see it seems.
>> Multiwriter won't mount, which is requested before burning it to USB
>> Flash drive. `Cause Multiwriter is not listed when clicking Mount.
>> Terminal cannot burn the (lengthy) path in downloads. Basically the
>> computer gets worse little by little.
>> geg
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 16:40, Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 06:53:18AM +0200, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
>>> > Hi beautiful ideals!
>>> > Decided to install Virtual Machine & Docker in this 14 year old
>>> ex-Macbook.
>>> > In which I installed Debian "Buster" i386 32 bits. As some of you
>>> know, I
>>> > did some failures during installation, the dvd player "hung" a bit
>>> several
>>> > times, so I saw it installing at least 3 times. I made a puzzling
>>> > observation: 64 came up a lot of times, but the machine seemed to
>>> handle
>>> > it. ("Is it 64 bits anyway?" I wondered.)
>>> > Now I found the following information in Wikipedia:
>>> > " Mac OS X 10.6 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard>
>>> is
>>> > the first version of macOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS> that
>>> > supports a 64-bit kernel <
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)>.
>>> > "
>>> > n Snow Leopard, most built-in applications have been rebuilt to use the
>>> > 64-bit x86-64 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64> architecture
>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set_architecture>
>>> (excluding
>>> > iTunes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes>, Front Row
>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Row_(software)>, Grapher
>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapher> and DVD Player
>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Player_(software)>
>>> applications).[43]
>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard#cite_note-43>
>>> They
>>> > will run in 32-bit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-bit> mode on
>>> machines
>>> > with 32-bit processors, and in 64-bit mode on machines with 64-bit
>>> > processors.
>>> > A change to the com.apple.Boot.plist will also enable users with
>>> compatible
>>> > computers to permanently boot into 64-bit for those wishing to do so.
>>> > After upgrading the kernel from 32b to 64b, if advisable & possible.
>>> > How to do that? Clean reinstall I guess optional, but will that
>>> suffice?
>>> > Geg
>>>
>>> Straightforwardly:
>>>
>>> Which _model_ Macbook is it? [About this Mac under MacOS]
>>>
>>> If you run hwinfo under Debian- what does it say?
>>>
>>> If you run cpuinfo under Debian - what does it say
>>>
>>> For Macs of this vintage: (2006/2007 Core 2 Duo)
>>>
>>>     iMac 5,1 – iMac 5,2 – iMac 6,1
>>>     Macbook 2,1
>>>     MacBook Pro 2,1 – MacBook Pro 2,2
>>>     Mac Pro 1,1
>>>     Xserve 1,1 (maybe)
>>>
>>> They have a 32 bit EFI and a 64 bit processor.
>>>
>>> You might want to try with the Debian multi-arch CD which might sort it
>>> out.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-10.10.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
>>>
>>> or, in exceptional cases for only a couple of models:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-mac-10.10.0-amd64-netinst.iso
>>>
>>> If you only have a small amount of memory, you may want to consider that
>>> running virtual machines / Docker may be quite frustrating.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> All the very best as ever,
>>>
>>> Andy Cater
>>>
>>>

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#238025

Gunnar Gervin wrote: 
> Mac 2.1 2007. Version: 3.O, PVT
> Vesa Bios, Intel 82945 GM
> Notebook Mac 4208 VAA
> Software Rev: 256 Modes: 36
> Bootloader: Isolinux
> 2 Core 64 bit Mem: 3055 MB
> Needs now:
> VM builder alternatives to CHEF.

Chef is not a VM builder, although it can be used that way.

Consider virt-p2v to convert a real machine, or fai, ansible or
nix for varying kinds of reproducible automated installs.

-dsr-

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#238026

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I meant
"& run it all;
VM, Docker containers, websites in/via a 24/7 Cloud service storage &
website hotel provider".
Geg

On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 15:11 Gunnar Gervin, <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mac 2.1 2007. Version: 3.O, PVT
> Vesa Bios, Intel 82945 GM
> Notebook Mac 4208 VAA
> Software Rev: 256 Modes: 36
> Bootloader: Isolinux
> 2 Core 64 bit Mem: 3055 MB
> Needs now:
> VM builder alternatives to CHEF.
> BR,
> Geg.
>
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021, 16:02 Gunnar Gervin, <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tried Virtual Machine it, but the DVD player doesn work, cannot unzip (to
>> download & use Etcher to burn USB), Multiwriter doesn`t work.
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 at 14:59, Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>> Thx for answering.
>>> I don't know which of them it is, except for a Macbook.
>>> It was a OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard.
>>> But it isn't a Mac now; it is a Debian 10.9 Buster w/ a 160 GB ATA
>>> Toshiba 1655GS. Many Mac hotkeys work, so some Mac software is left in it.
>>>
>>> https://www.hdsentinel.com/storageinfo_details.php?lang=en&model=TOSHIBA%20MK1655GSX
>>> https://support.apple.com/kb/SP575?locale=en_US
>>> Seems it is 64 Bit totally or in parts 64, parts 32.
>>> But my dvd player has stopped working, and it won't use the external dvd
>>> player; doesn`t see it seems.
>>> Multiwriter won't mount, which is requested before burning it to USB
>>> Flash drive. `Cause Multiwriter is not listed when clicking Mount.
>>> Terminal cannot burn the (lengthy) path in downloads. Basically the
>>> computer gets worse little by little.
>>> geg
>>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 16:40, Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 06:53:18AM +0200, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
>>>> > Hi beautiful ideals!
>>>> > Decided to install Virtual Machine & Docker in this 14 year old
>>>> ex-Macbook.
>>>> > In which I installed Debian "Buster" i386 32 bits. As some of you
>>>> know, I
>>>> > did some failures during installation, the dvd player "hung" a bit
>>>> several
>>>> > times, so I saw it installing at least 3 times. I made a puzzling
>>>> > observation: 64 came up a lot of times, but the machine seemed to
>>>> handle
>>>> > it. ("Is it 64 bits anyway?" I wondered.)
>>>> > Now I found the following information in Wikipedia:
>>>> > " Mac OS X 10.6 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard>
>>>> is
>>>> > the first version of macOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS> that
>>>> > supports a 64-bit kernel <
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)>.
>>>> > "
>>>> > n Snow Leopard, most built-in applications have been rebuilt to use
>>>> the
>>>> > 64-bit x86-64 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64> architecture
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set_architecture>
>>>> (excluding
>>>> > iTunes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes>, Front Row
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Row_(software)>, Grapher
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapher> and DVD Player
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Player_(software)>
>>>> applications).[43]
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard#cite_note-43>
>>>> They
>>>> > will run in 32-bit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-bit> mode on
>>>> machines
>>>> > with 32-bit processors, and in 64-bit mode on machines with 64-bit
>>>> > processors.
>>>> > A change to the com.apple.Boot.plist will also enable users with
>>>> compatible
>>>> > computers to permanently boot into 64-bit for those wishing to do so.
>>>> > After upgrading the kernel from 32b to 64b, if advisable & possible.
>>>> > How to do that? Clean reinstall I guess optional, but will that
>>>> suffice?
>>>> > Geg
>>>>
>>>> Straightforwardly:
>>>>
>>>> Which _model_ Macbook is it? [About this Mac under MacOS]
>>>>
>>>> If you run hwinfo under Debian- what does it say?
>>>>
>>>> If you run cpuinfo under Debian - what does it say
>>>>
>>>> For Macs of this vintage: (2006/2007 Core 2 Duo)
>>>>
>>>>     iMac 5,1 – iMac 5,2 – iMac 6,1
>>>>     Macbook 2,1
>>>>     MacBook Pro 2,1 – MacBook Pro 2,2
>>>>     Mac Pro 1,1
>>>>     Xserve 1,1 (maybe)
>>>>
>>>> They have a 32 bit EFI and a 64 bit processor.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to try with the Debian multi-arch CD which might sort it
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-10.10.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
>>>>
>>>> or, in exceptional cases for only a couple of models:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-mac-10.10.0-amd64-netinst.iso
>>>>
>>>> If you only have a small amount of memory, you may want to consider
>>>> that
>>>> running virtual machines / Docker may be quite frustrating.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>> All the very best as ever,
>>>>
>>>> Andy Cater
>>>>
>>>>

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#238032

Gunnar Gervin wrote: 
> I meant
> "& run it all;
> VM, Docker containers, websites in/via a 24/7 Cloud service storage &
> website hotel provider".

Let's talk about the XY problem.

https://xyproblem.info/

Go read that, understand it, and then please come back and ask
questions.

-dsr-

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#238095

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Dan,
 thx for the best laugh of... me.
Bullseye! I'll try my very best.
Gunnar
PS.
The machine seems to recover.
DS.

On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 15:58 Dan Ritter, <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > I meant
> > "& run it all;
> > VM, Docker containers, websites in/via a 24/7 Cloud service storage &
> > website hotel provider".
>
> Let's talk about the XY problem.
>
> https://xyproblem.info/
>
> Go read that, understand it, and then please come back and ask
> questions.
>
> -dsr-
>
>

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#238027

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Can't I just build VM/Docker & websites in the 3gb memory computer, & host
it all in Cloud?
Geg

On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 15:11 Gunnar Gervin, <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mac 2.1 2007. Version: 3.O, PVT
> Vesa Bios, Intel 82945 GM
> Notebook Mac 4208 VAA
> Software Rev: 256 Modes: 36
> Bootloader: Isolinux
> 2 Core 64 bit Mem: 3055 MB
> Needs now:
> VM builder alternatives to CHEF.
> BR,
> Geg.
>
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021, 16:02 Gunnar Gervin, <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tried Virtual Machine it, but the DVD player doesn work, cannot unzip (to
>> download & use Etcher to burn USB), Multiwriter doesn`t work.
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 at 14:59, Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>> Thx for answering.
>>> I don't know which of them it is, except for a Macbook.
>>> It was a OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard.
>>> But it isn't a Mac now; it is a Debian 10.9 Buster w/ a 160 GB ATA
>>> Toshiba 1655GS. Many Mac hotkeys work, so some Mac software is left in it.
>>>
>>> https://www.hdsentinel.com/storageinfo_details.php?lang=en&model=TOSHIBA%20MK1655GSX
>>> https://support.apple.com/kb/SP575?locale=en_US
>>> Seems it is 64 Bit totally or in parts 64, parts 32.
>>> But my dvd player has stopped working, and it won't use the external dvd
>>> player; doesn`t see it seems.
>>> Multiwriter won't mount, which is requested before burning it to USB
>>> Flash drive. `Cause Multiwriter is not listed when clicking Mount.
>>> Terminal cannot burn the (lengthy) path in downloads. Basically the
>>> computer gets worse little by little.
>>> geg
>>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 16:40, Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 06:53:18AM +0200, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
>>>> > Hi beautiful ideals!
>>>> > Decided to install Virtual Machine & Docker in this 14 year old
>>>> ex-Macbook.
>>>> > In which I installed Debian "Buster" i386 32 bits. As some of you
>>>> know, I
>>>> > did some failures during installation, the dvd player "hung" a bit
>>>> several
>>>> > times, so I saw it installing at least 3 times. I made a puzzling
>>>> > observation: 64 came up a lot of times, but the machine seemed to
>>>> handle
>>>> > it. ("Is it 64 bits anyway?" I wondered.)
>>>> > Now I found the following information in Wikipedia:
>>>> > " Mac OS X 10.6 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard>
>>>> is
>>>> > the first version of macOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS> that
>>>> > supports a 64-bit kernel <
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)>.
>>>> > "
>>>> > n Snow Leopard, most built-in applications have been rebuilt to use
>>>> the
>>>> > 64-bit x86-64 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64> architecture
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set_architecture>
>>>> (excluding
>>>> > iTunes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes>, Front Row
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Row_(software)>, Grapher
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapher> and DVD Player
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Player_(software)>
>>>> applications).[43]
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard#cite_note-43>
>>>> They
>>>> > will run in 32-bit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-bit> mode on
>>>> machines
>>>> > with 32-bit processors, and in 64-bit mode on machines with 64-bit
>>>> > processors.
>>>> > A change to the com.apple.Boot.plist will also enable users with
>>>> compatible
>>>> > computers to permanently boot into 64-bit for those wishing to do so.
>>>> > After upgrading the kernel from 32b to 64b, if advisable & possible.
>>>> > How to do that? Clean reinstall I guess optional, but will that
>>>> suffice?
>>>> > Geg
>>>>
>>>> Straightforwardly:
>>>>
>>>> Which _model_ Macbook is it? [About this Mac under MacOS]
>>>>
>>>> If you run hwinfo under Debian- what does it say?
>>>>
>>>> If you run cpuinfo under Debian - what does it say
>>>>
>>>> For Macs of this vintage: (2006/2007 Core 2 Duo)
>>>>
>>>>     iMac 5,1 – iMac 5,2 – iMac 6,1
>>>>     Macbook 2,1
>>>>     MacBook Pro 2,1 – MacBook Pro 2,2
>>>>     Mac Pro 1,1
>>>>     Xserve 1,1 (maybe)
>>>>
>>>> They have a 32 bit EFI and a 64 bit processor.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to try with the Debian multi-arch CD which might sort it
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-10.10.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
>>>>
>>>> or, in exceptional cases for only a couple of models:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-mac-10.10.0-amd64-netinst.iso
>>>>
>>>> If you only have a small amount of memory, you may want to consider
>>>> that
>>>> running virtual machines / Docker may be quite frustrating.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>> All the very best as ever,
>>>>
>>>> Andy Cater
>>>>
>>>>

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I read a bit of my "questions" put before. WOW, what a MESS!!?!! Is it
possible to understand 5%?
Hardly. Sorry & trying to improve
Gunnar

On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, 07:53 Gunnar Gervin, <dofeelok@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi beautiful ideals!
> Decided to install Virtual Machine & Docker in this 14 year old ex-Macbook.
> In which I installed Debian "Buster" i386 32 bits. As some of you know, I
> did some failures during installation, the dvd player "hung" a bit several
> times, so I saw it installing at least 3 times. I made a puzzling
> observation: 64 came up a lot of times, but the machine seemed to handle
> it. ("Is it 64 bits anyway?" I wondered.)
> Now I found the following information in Wikipedia:
> " Mac OS X 10.6 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard> is
> the first version of macOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS> that
> supports a 64-bit kernel
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)>.  "
> n Snow Leopard, most built-in applications have been rebuilt to use the
> 64-bit x86-64 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64> architecture
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set_architecture> (excluding
> iTunes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes>, Front Row
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Row_(software)>, Grapher
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapher> and DVD Player
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Player_(software)> applications).[43]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard#cite_note-43> They
> will run in 32-bit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-bit> mode on
> machines with 32-bit processors, and in 64-bit mode on machines with 64-bit
> processors.
> A change to the com.apple.Boot.plist will also enable users with
> compatible computers to permanently boot into 64-bit for those wishing to
> do so.
> After upgrading the kernel from 32b to 64b, if advisable & possible.
> How to do that? Clean reinstall I guess optional, but will that suffice?
> Geg
>

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Hi,

On 2021-08-03 12:55 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> I read a bit of my "questions" put before. WOW, what a MESS!!?!! Is it
> possible to understand 5%?
> Hardly. Sorry & trying to improve
> Gunnar
> 
I've been explaining you this from the beginning and it didn't change much.

Maybe saving your messages, waiting 24 hours, reading back and then
sending would be a good start.

I ain't the only one here saying so.

You are the one not getting help by acting this way.
-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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