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  location of screenshots during debian install Jupiter777 <jupiter777@gmx.com> - 2021-07-27 09:20 +0200
    Re: location of screenshots during debian install Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-27 09:40 +0200
    Re: location of screenshots during debian install <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-27 11:50 +0200
    Re: location of screenshots during debian install Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-07-27 14:30 +0200
      Re: location of screenshots during debian install Jupiter777 <jupiter777@gmx.com> - 2021-07-27 20:00 +0200
        Re: location of screenshots during debian install <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-27 20:10 +0200
          Re: location of screenshots during debian install Hello-World <meta4@gmx.com> - 2021-07-27 20:40 +0200
        Re: location of screenshots during debian install Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-27 21:00 +0200
          Re: encrypt/lvm issue during install.... [WAS: location of  screenshots during debian install Jupiter777 <jupiter777@gmx.com> - 2021-07-28 06:10 +0200
            Re: encrypt/lvm issue during install.... [WAS: location of  screenshots during debian install Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-28 14:00 +0200
              Re: encrypt/lvm issue during install.... [WAS: location of  screenshots during debian install Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-07-28 14:40 +0200
                Re: encrypt/lvm issue during install.... [WAS: location of  screenshots during debian install Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-07-28 15:30 +0200
    Re: location of screenshots during debian install Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-07-28 01:20 +0200
      Re: location of screenshots during debian install David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-07-28 17:30 +0200

#237790 — location of screenshots during debian install

hello,

I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.

I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:

   Screenshot Saved as /var/log/<filename>


But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...

Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?

thank you

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#237792

> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 7:14 AM
> From: "Jupiter777" <jupiter777@gmx.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: location of screenshots during debian install
>
>
> Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?
>

I'm sorry to ask you but have you googled the internet for answers before writing to this mailing list?

Based on my experience in asking for help here, Mr David Wright is the one guy who doesn't ask you refer to man pages. He's actually quite nice. There's only one guy who can match David in both helpfulness and a being a gentleman. You can find him in the OpenBSD forum.

And based on my experience as a beginner of all things Linux, man pages are not for those who don't have a foundation in computer science like e. The commands contained in them aren't accompanied by examples on how to use them. Sure, a brief description is given for each command. However, IMHO, it isn't enough to help me.

Best regards.

Stella

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#237795

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 01:14:36AM -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:
> 
> 
> hello,
> 
> I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.
> 
> I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:
> 
>   Screenshot Saved as /var/log/<filename>
> 
> 
> But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...

Are you using a live distro?

Then /var/log is possibly on a temporary file system: you'd have to
save it (e.g. to another USB stick, to the 'net) before shutting
down.

Or perhaps I've misunderstood you thoroughly.

Cheers
 - t

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#237799

On 7/27/21 12:14 AM, Jupiter777 wrote:
>
>
> hello,
>
> I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.
>
> I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:
>
>   Screenshot Saved as /var/log/<filename>
>
>
> But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...
>
> Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?
>
short answer: If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also 
be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the 
installed system).

long answer: 
https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Debian_Installer_GUI_screenshots

>
> thank you
>
>

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#237816

On 2021-07-27 06:10 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>
> On 7/27/21 12:14 AM, Jupiter777 wrote:
>>
>>
>> hello,
>>
>> I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.
>>
>> I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:
>>
>>   Screenshot Saved as /var/log/<filename>
>>
>>
>> But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...
>>
>> Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?
>>
> short answer: If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also
> be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the
> installed system).
>
> long answer:
> https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Debian_Installer_GUI_screenshots
>


hello,

no, I can not complete the installation  either because of
what I do or what I don't know (how to do) ...


I was hoping screenshots debian installation advertises
may be something I can use to (a) research the problem on my own
or (b) share it with folks here to get help.

since (b) is obviously not an option, I continue on see
how far I can go in the install ...


Also,  thank you for sharing the https://screenshots.debian.net/

Do you know how I can use it?

I mean:  when I click on 'Upload' it appears to me the page is
telling me what I upload "must" be related to some topic or something!


What topic should I choose on the 'Upload' page  on
https://screenshots.debian.net/ ?

I may solve the issue myself but still it's good for me to know
how to use the https://screenshots.debian.net/ .....


Thank you,










>>
>> thank you
>>
>>
>

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:55:32AM -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:

[...]

I can't help you with your install problem: too few details
to venture a try. But:

> Also,  thank you for sharing the https://screenshots.debian.net/
> 
> Do you know how I can use it?
> 
> I mean:  when I click on 'Upload' it appears to me the page is
> telling me what I upload "must" be related to some topic or something!
> 
> 
> What topic should I choose on the 'Upload' page  on
> https://screenshots.debian.net/ ?
> 
> I may solve the issue myself but still it's good for me to know
> how to use the https://screenshots.debian.net/ .....

I think screenshots.debian.net is for people to "see" how software
"looks like": users of some software upload their screenshots for
others to have an idea of the user interface. So it is more kind
of a documentation project.

Cheers
 - t

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#237819

On 2021-07-27 12:00 PM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:55:32AM -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> I can't help you with your install problem: too few details
> to venture a try. But:
>
>> Also,  thank you for sharing the https://screenshots.debian.net/
>>
>> Do you know how I can use it?
>>
>> I mean:  when I click on 'Upload' it appears to me the page is
>> telling me what I upload "must" be related to some topic or something!
>>
>>
>> What topic should I choose on the 'Upload' page  on
>> https://screenshots.debian.net/ ?
>>
>> I may solve the issue myself but still it's good for me to know
>> how to use the https://screenshots.debian.net/ .....
>
> I think screenshots.debian.net is for people to "see" how software
> "looks like": users of some software upload their screenshots for
> others to have an idea of the user interface. So it is more kind
> of a documentation project.

documentation/documenting is invaluable;

by that token, I certainly  don't want to mess it up
by uploading , in this case, pics of debian install issues
into , let say, ttf-mscorefonts-installer folder ....


how can I start a new folder/project/sub-section or whatever is the
terminology ... on https://screenshots.debian.net


thank you,



>
> Cheers
>   - t
>

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#237821

On Tue 27 Jul 2021 at 11:55:32 -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:

> 
> 
> On 2021-07-27 06:10 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> > 
> > On 7/27/21 12:14 AM, Jupiter777 wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > hello,
> > > 
> > > I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.
> > > 
> > > I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:
> > > 
> > >   Screenshot Saved as /var/log/<filename>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...
> > > 
> > > Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?
> > > 
> > short answer: If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also
> > be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the
> > installed system).
> > 
> > long answer:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Debian_Installer_GUI_screenshots
> > 
> 
> 
> hello,
> 
> no, I can not complete the installation  either because of
> what I do or what I don't know (how to do) ...
> 
> 
> I was hoping screenshots debian installation advertises
> may be something I can use to (a) research the problem on my own
> or (b) share it with folks here to get help.

You are obviously trying to help yourself. That is good. Please say
at what stage the installation fails and what you see on the screen
then.

-- 
Brian.

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#237830 — Re: encrypt/lvm issue during install.... [WAS: location of screenshots during debian install

On 2021-07-27 12:53 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 27 Jul 2021 at 11:55:32 -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2021-07-27 06:10 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/27/21 12:14 AM, Jupiter777 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.
>>>>
>>>> I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:
>>>>
>>>>    Screenshot Saved as /var/log/<filename>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...
>>>>
>>>> Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?
>>>>
>>> short answer: If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also
>>> be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the
>>> installed system).
>>>
>>> long answer:
>>> https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Debian_Installer_GUI_screenshots
>>>
>>
>>
>> hello,
>>
>> no, I can not complete the installation  either because of
>> what I do or what I don't know (how to do) ...
>>
>>
>> I was hoping screenshots debian installation advertises
>> may be something I can use to (a) research the problem on my own
>> or (b) share it with folks here to get help.
>
> You are obviously trying to help yourself. That is good. Please say
> at what stage the installation fails and what you see on the screen
> then.
>




. . . the issue was that I got caught in a seemingly
loop during encryption/lvm portion of partitioning section
of the install! I guess what made it a bit annoying
was that the loop had no exit sign ;-)


here is the sketchy version of the story:

... in Advanced->GUI Expert Install  ....

in partitioning section.... one is presented with :

Guided: largest contiguous ....

Guided: entire disk (3 of these)

Manual


The 'entire disk' ones would not work for me
as I did not want to destroy the other OS.


The aforementioned loop-with-no-exit occurred in the Manual method.


it *did not* happen in 'Guided: largest contiguous ....'  and
I finished the install!



so loop-with-no-exit went like:


-- installer recognized the disk, OK

-- did the 1gb /boot ext2 non-encrypted configured , OK   /dev/sda7

-- 150gb partition, planned to be / with everything in it,
    recognized by installer, OK  /dev/sda6

-- configured /dev/sda6 to be / and mount-point /  too , OK

-- went inside the lvm config/manager ....

-- added volume group vg1 off of /dev/sda6 , OK

-- added logical volume lv1 (inside vg1) , OK

-- now every time i go back out into the 'encrypt volumes' section
    and tell it to encrypt /dev/sda6 which is / the root, which it does
    encrypt it,  and i get back out in the parent menu, the "/" is lost
and of course at this time choosing 'Finish' or 'Done with this
partition' is  no use since the ultimate result is seeing the famous
    'no root file system is defined'



    at that point, I wish I could delete the lv1 and vg1 and
    start over again in the partitioning section
    of the process or maybe do something else ... but no such luck
    it would not let me and had to power-down the system
    and start from scratch to try something else ......






thank you,

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#237836 — Re: encrypt/lvm issue during install.... [WAS: location of screenshots during debian install

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 10:05:54PM -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:
> so loop-with-no-exit went like:
> 
> 
> -- installer recognized the disk, OK
> 
> -- did the 1gb /boot ext2 non-encrypted configured , OK   /dev/sda7
> 
> -- 150gb partition, planned to be / with everything in it,
>    recognized by installer, OK  /dev/sda6
> 
> -- configured /dev/sda6 to be / and mount-point /  too , OK
> 
> -- went inside the lvm config/manager ....
> 
> -- added volume group vg1 off of /dev/sda6 , OK
> 
> -- added logical volume lv1 (inside vg1) , OK

I've never done disk encryption, so I can only speak to the LVM parts
of this.

If you're planning to use LVM for everything except /boot, then your
third and fourth steps above are incorrect.  You don't want to create
a regular root file system on sda6 if you're planning to use sda6 for LVM.

What you want to do instead is:

1) Create your /boot partition + file system as you did.

2) Create a partition to hold the LVM subsystem, but do not mount it.

3) Go into the LVM subsystem, and turn your empty partition into a
   volume group.

4) Create logical volumes within the VG for each file system you want,
   including root.

However, since you were trying to do encryption as well, you should
definitely look for advice from someone who has done that.

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#237838 — Re: encrypt/lvm issue during install.... [WAS: location of screenshots during debian install

On Wed, 2021-07-28 at 07:54 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 10:05:54PM -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:
> > so loop-with-no-exit went like:
> > 
> > 
> > -- installer recognized the disk, OK
> > 
> > -- did the 1gb /boot ext2 non-encrypted configured , OK   /dev/sda7
> > 
> > -- 150gb partition, planned to be / with everything in it,
> >    recognized by installer, OK  /dev/sda6
> > 
> > -- configured /dev/sda6 to be / and mount-point /  too , OK
> > 
> > -- went inside the lvm config/manager ....
> > 
> > -- added volume group vg1 off of /dev/sda6 , OK
> > 
> > -- added logical volume lv1 (inside vg1) , OK
> 
> I've never done disk encryption, so I can only speak to the LVM parts
> of this.
> 
> If you're planning to use LVM for everything except /boot, then your
> third and fourth steps above are incorrect.  You don't want to create
> a regular root file system on sda6 if you're planning to use sda6 for LVM.
> 
> What you want to do instead is:
> 
> 1) Create your /boot partition + file system as you did.
> 
> 2) Create a partition to hold the LVM subsystem, but do not mount it.
> 
> 3) Go into the LVM subsystem, and turn your empty partition into a
>    volume group.
> 
> 4) Create logical volumes within the VG for each file system you want,
>    including root.
> 
> However, since you were trying to do encryption as well, you should
> definitely look for advice from someone who has done that.

Between steps 2) and 3) you encrypt the partition.

-- 
Tixy

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#237841 — Re: encrypt/lvm issue during install.... [WAS: location of screenshots during debian install

On Wed, 2021-07-28 at 13:31 +0100, Tixy wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-07-28 at 07:54 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 10:05:54PM -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:
> > > so loop-with-no-exit went like:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- installer recognized the disk, OK
> > > 
> > > -- did the 1gb /boot ext2 non-encrypted configured , OK   /dev/sda7
> > > 
> > > -- 150gb partition, planned to be / with everything in it,
> > >    recognized by installer, OK  /dev/sda6
> > > 
> > > -- configured /dev/sda6 to be / and mount-point /  too , OK
> > > 
> > > -- went inside the lvm config/manager ....
> > > 
> > > -- added volume group vg1 off of /dev/sda6 , OK
> > > 
> > > -- added logical volume lv1 (inside vg1) , OK
> > 
> > I've never done disk encryption, so I can only speak to the LVM parts
> > of this.
> > 
> > If you're planning to use LVM for everything except /boot, then your
> > third and fourth steps above are incorrect.  You don't want to create
> > a regular root file system on sda6 if you're planning to use sda6 for LVM.
> > 
> > What you want to do instead is:
> > 
> > 1) Create your /boot partition + file system as you did.
> > 
> > 2) Create a partition to hold the LVM subsystem, but do not mount it.
> > 
> > 3) Go into the LVM subsystem, and turn your empty partition into a
> >    volume group.
> > 
> > 4) Create logical volumes within the VG for each file system you want,
> >    including root.
> > 
> > However, since you were trying to do encryption as well, you should
> > definitely look for advice from someone who has done that.
> 
> Between steps 2) and 3) you encrypt the partition.

Well, that's what I do, but if you want to encrypt filesystems
individually then I don't know what the sequence is for that.

-- 
Tixy

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#237827

On 27/07/21 7:14 pm, Jupiter777 wrote:
> 
> 
> hello,
> 
> I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.
> 
> I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:
> 
>    Screenshot Saved as /var/log/<filename>
> 
> 
> But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...
> 
> Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?

I've never used this facility, so I'm only guessing.

But if they're not on the installer media, then they're presumably on 
the disk you're installing to, which is mounted on /target/ during the 
installation - so /target/var/log/<filename>.

Whether and how you can get them off that disk if you haven't finished 
the installation is a different matter, of course :-)

Richard

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#237844

On Wed 28 Jul 2021 at 11:16:42 (+1200), Richard Hector wrote:
> On 27/07/21 7:14 pm, Jupiter777 wrote:
> > I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.
> > 
> > I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:
> > 
> >    Screenshot Saved as /var/log/<filename>
> > 
> > But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...
> > 
> > Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?
> 
> I've never used this facility, so I'm only guessing.
> 
> But if they're not on the installer media, then they're presumably on
> the disk you're installing to, which is mounted on /target/ during the
> installation - so /target/var/log/<filename>.
> 
> Whether and how you can get them off that disk if you haven't finished
> the installation is a different matter, of course :-)

You can start taking screenshots long before /target exists.
As indicated above, screenshots are placed in /var/log/…
which is a filesystem created in memory for the duration of the
actual installation process.

If you don't want to go as far as "Save debug logs" in the main menu,
then you have to copy them somewhere yourself. Once /target _does_
exist, you could copy them there, but that means getting as far as
"Install the base system", which populates /target with something
recognisable as a system disk (meaning that, say, /target/root/ would
be available).

So, the quick way is:

. Alt-F4 to view the syslog
. Insert a fresh stick, and watch screen
. Alt-F2(or 3) for a shell
. Mount stick (device name just seen on log) onto /mnt
. cp /var/log/… stuff to /mnt/… (may as well grab the lot)
. Unmount stick
. Remove stick after activity ceases
. Alt-F1 to carry on installing

Cheers,
David.

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