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  needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-07-25 11:20 +0200
    Re: needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui Michael <ml@hemathor.de> - 2021-07-25 13:00 +0200
      Re: needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui Michael <ml@hemathor.de> - 2021-07-25 13:10 +0200
        Re: needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-07-25 20:00 +0200
    Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-25 15:50 +0200
      Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-25 17:20 +0200
        Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-07-25 18:50 +0200
          Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-25 19:40 +0200
            Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-25 21:30 +0200
              Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-25 22:40 +0200
          Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-07-25 19:40 +0200
            Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-25 20:00 +0200
              Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-07-25 20:20 +0200
                Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-25 20:30 +0200
        Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-25 21:30 +0200
          Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-25 21:40 +0200
            Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-25 21:40 +0200
            Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-07-25 22:50 +0200
              Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-25 23:10 +0200
              Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-07-25 23:40 +0200
                Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-26 01:10 +0200
                  Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-26 01:30 +0200
                Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-07-26 02:00 +0200
                  Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-26 03:10 +0200
            Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-07-26 15:30 +0200
              Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-26 16:30 +0200

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#237702 — needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui

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Dear list,

does anyone know, how to suppress the ncurses gui of needrestart, when running an 
aupgrade by i.e. "aptitude upgrade -y" ?

I do not want to interact manually, just automatically restart the processes, as 
needrestart is suggesting.

I checked needrestart.conf, but I am not quite sure, if it is either this entry


---

# Verbosity: 
#  0 => quiet 
#  1 => normal (default) 
#  2 => verbose 
#$nrconf{verbosity} = 2;

--- 

or is this one only for general verbosity? If so, then the second entry I found might be 
responsible:

---

# Enable/disable hints on pending kernel upgrades: 
#  1: requires the user to acknowledge pending kernels 
#  0: disable kernel checks completely 
# -1: print kernel hints to stderr only 
#$nrconf{kernelhints} = -1;
---

Or must I change something else?

Thanks for any help!

Best regards

Hans

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#237703

hey,

maybe you could try this:

  $nrconf{restart} = 'l';

it works for me.

greetings...

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#237704

hey,

i ignored that you wanted to automatically restart services, so you should 
try 'a', instead of 'l'.

greetings...

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Am Sonntag, 25. Juli 2021, 13:01:30 CEST schrieb Michael:
Hi Michael,

yes, I belive, this is the correct line. Somehow I was blind and did not see 
this. However, you are right, "a" is correct for automatical mode.

I believe, when I installed needrestart the first time, it asked, which 
interface I want to use and chose "interactive". But dpkg-reconfigure gave me 
no choice again, so I now have to chenge configuration manually. 

This is easy, but somehow, shame on me, I did not see it. Grmpf!

Best regards

Hans


> hey,
> 
> i ignored that you wanted to automatically restart services, so you should
> try 'a', instead of 'l'.
> 
> greetings...

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#237711 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

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Hi,
Why bother people with requesting a receipt when we read you message ?

There's thousands of person on this list. You really need / want a
receipt from all of us ?


On 2021-07-25 5:19 a.m., Hans wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> 
> does anyone know, how to suppress the ncurses gui of needrestart, when
> running an aupgrade by i.e. "aptitude upgrade -y" ?
> 
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> 
> Hans
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237714 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 09:39:36 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> Hi,
> Why bother people with requesting a receipt when we read you message ?
> 
> There's thousands of person on this list. You really need / want a
> receipt from all of us ?

Belt and braces? We see you believe in it. :)

  > To: Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de>
  > Cc: "User Mailing List (Debian)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>

-- 
Brian.

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#237717 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 04:13:40PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 09:39:36 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > Why bother people with requesting a receipt when we read you message ?
> > 
> > There's thousands of person on this list. You really need / want a
> > receipt from all of us ?
> 
> Belt and braces? We see you believe in it. :)
> 
>   > To: Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de>
>   > Cc: "User Mailing List (Debian)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> -- 
> Brian.
> 

Although the usual stated policy for this list is _NOT_ to reply direct
to individuals but normally only to the list, it is also possible, if
you don't know whether an individual is subscribed, that it might be a
good way of getting a message to them.

In that, at least, this list is unusual: we do expect a certain number of
people who will write a question to the list but may not realise that it is
also beneficial to subscribe.

See also: Maling list code of conduct etc. 

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

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#237718 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 16:41:20 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 04:13:40PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 09:39:36 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > Why bother people with requesting a receipt when we read you message ?
> > > 
> > > There's thousands of person on this list. You really need / want a
> > > receipt from all of us ?
> > 
> > Belt and braces? We see you believe in it. :)
> > 
> >   > To: Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de>
> >   > Cc: "User Mailing List (Debian)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> > 
> > -- 
> > Brian.
> > 
> 
> Although the usual stated policy for this list is _NOT_ to reply direct

Is there an "unususal" stated policy? :)

> to individuals but normally only to the list, it is also possible, if
> you don't know whether an individual is subscribed, that it might be a
> good way of getting a message to them.

The headers of your mail have

  LDOSUBSCRIBER

in them. We now *know* you are subscribed to the list. A Cc: wouldn't
get me anything extra.

If that word isn't there, we have no idea whether a user is subscribed
or not. But she could be. So I would either assume she is or that she
has some way of seeing list mail. No Cc: necessary on this list.

> In that, at least, this list is unusual: we do expect a certain number of
> people who will write a question to the list but may not realise that it is
> also beneficial to subscribe.

Benefiial to them surely means seeing responses? That is up to them. I
think all Debain mailing lists allow posting without being subscribed.
That rather puts the ball in the poster's half of the court.

BTW, my response was because I thought it ironic that Hans was pulled
up regarding receipts. For myself - anyone may Cc: me.

--
Brian.




> 
> See also: Maling list code of conduct etc. 
> 
> All the very best, as ever,
> 
> Andy Cater
> 

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#237726 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

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Hi,

> BTW, my response was because I thought it ironic that Hans was pulled
> up regarding receipts. For myself - anyone may Cc: me.
I only asked why did he request a receipt upon reading his message.
I've read hundred (maybe more thousands) of message on this list and
it's the first time this happens.

So I felt it was somewhat unusual and maybe he did so not on purpose.

> 
> --
> Brian.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> See also: Maling list code of conduct etc. 
>>
>> All the very best, as ever,
>>
>> Andy Cater
>>
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237739 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 15:26:37 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> > BTW, my response was because I thought it ironic that Hans was pulled
> > up regarding receipts. For myself - anyone may Cc: me.
> I only asked why did he request a receipt upon reading his message.
> I've read hundred (maybe more thousands) of message on this list and
> it's the first time this happens.

Me too.

> So I felt it was somewhat unusual and maybe he did so not on purpose.

My thoughts too.

But now you seem to have stopped mailing the list and Cc-ing the poster.
Therefore my point is irrelevant now. Let's move on.

-- 
Brian. 

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#237719 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

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Am Sonntag, 25. Juli 2021, 18:41:20 CEST schrieb Andrew M.A. Cater:
Hi all,

before I answer every mail, I am just explaining, that at most of my mails I 
am sending need to be set with an "received" flag. 

So I set this at default in my mail client.

And so it happens, that I sometimes forget to switch it off. 

Just like this time. No big thing, is't it?

So, anyone who seems to be disturbed can set my sender address to be ignored 
in his mail filter. Also no big thing...

So I say, sorry for that. Saying so, is also not a big thing (for me).

Best regards

Hans

P.S. Thanks for all the technical advices, too.   

> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 04:13:40PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 09:39:36 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Why bother people with requesting a receipt when we read you message ?
> > > 
> > > There's thousands of person on this list. You really need / want a
> > > receipt from all of us ?
> > 
> > Belt and braces? We see you believe in it. :)
> > 
> >   > To: Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de>
> >   > Cc: "User Mailing List (Debian)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> Although the usual stated policy for this list is _NOT_ to reply direct
> to individuals but normally only to the list, it is also possible, if
> you don't know whether an individual is subscribed, that it might be a
> good way of getting a message to them.
> 
> In that, at least, this list is unusual: we do expect a certain number of
> people who will write a question to the list but may not realise that it is
> also beneficial to subscribe.
> 
> See also: Maling list code of conduct etc.
> 
> All the very best, as ever,
> 
> Andy Cater

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#237721 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 19:38:37 +0200, Hans wrote:

> Am Sonntag, 25. Juli 2021, 18:41:20 CEST schrieb Andrew M.A. Cater:
> Hi all,
> 
> before I answer every mail, I am just explaining, that at most of my mails I 
> am sending need to be set with an "received" flag. 
> 
> So I set this at default in my mail client.
> 
> And so it happens, that I sometimes forget to switch it off. 
> 
> Just like this time. No big thing, is't it?
> 
> So, anyone who seems to be disturbed can set my sender address to be ignored 
> in his mail filter. Also no big thing...
> 
> So I say, sorry for that. Saying so, is also not a big thing (for me).

Nothing I said was meant to be an actual or implied criticism of
anything you posted. AFAIAC, you haven't anything to explain or
apologise for.

-- 
Brian.

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#237722 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

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Am Sonntag, 25. Juli 2021, 19:54:01 CEST schrieb Brian:
Hi Brian, 

my mail was in no case directed to you. I just answered to your mail, because 
it was the last in the chain. Nothing else.

With this mail I talked to the whole list, anyonbe who is reading here.

So, please do not feel targeted, there was indeed nothing said by you, that 
let me feel bad!!! :) No need to feel bad.

Have a very nice day and happy hacking!

Best 

Hans

> On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 19:38:37 +0200, Hans wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 25. Juli 2021, 18:41:20 CEST schrieb Andrew M.A. Cater:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > before I answer every mail, I am just explaining, that at most of my mails
> > I am sending need to be set with an "received" flag.
> > 
> > So I set this at default in my mail client.
> > 
> > And so it happens, that I sometimes forget to switch it off.
> > 
> > Just like this time. No big thing, is't it?
> > 
> > So, anyone who seems to be disturbed can set my sender address to be
> > ignored in his mail filter. Also no big thing...
> > 
> > So I say, sorry for that. Saying so, is also not a big thing (for me).
> 
> Nothing I said was meant to be an actual or implied criticism of
> anything you posted. AFAIAC, you haven't anything to explain or
> apologise for.

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#237723 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 20:11:36 +0200, Hans wrote:

> Am Sonntag, 25. Juli 2021, 19:54:01 CEST schrieb Brian:
> Hi Brian, 
> 
> my mail was in no case directed to you. I just answered to your mail, because 
> it was the last in the chain. Nothing else.
> 
> With this mail I talked to the whole list, anyonbe who is reading here.
> 
> So, please do not feel targeted, there was indeed nothing said by you, that 
> let me feel bad!!! :) No need to feel bad.

I do not feel targeted. Misunderstood, maybe. Even my dog misunderstands
me.

-- 
Brian. 

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#237727 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

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Hi,

On 2021-07-25 11:13 a.m., Brian wrote:
> On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 09:39:36 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Why bother people with requesting a receipt when we read you message ?
>>
>> There's thousands of person on this list. You really need / want a
>> receipt from all of us ?
> 
> Belt and braces? We see you believe in it. :)
What do you mean by this ?
Belt and braces ??
> 
>   > To: Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de>
>   > Cc: "User Mailing List (Debian)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237728 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 03:21:54PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-07-25 11:13 a.m., Brian wrote:
> > Belt and braces? We see you believe in it. :)
> What do you mean by this ?
> Belt and braces ??

"Braces" is a British term for suspenders.  The American version of
this would be "belt and suspenders".

If you're not familiar with *either* of these, it means "having
redundancy".  Wearing both a belt and a set of suspenders gives you
two ways to prevent your pants from falling down.  Both have to fail
before your pants fall down.

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#237729 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

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Hi Greg,

On 2021-07-25 3:30 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 03:21:54PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> On 2021-07-25 11:13 a.m., Brian wrote:
>>> Belt and braces? We see you believe in it. :)
>> What do you mean by this ?
>> Belt and braces ??
> 
> "Braces" is a British term for suspenders.  The American version of
> this would be "belt and suspenders".
> 
I just understood what it meant by taking a step back...
I knew what suspenders are and when I saw "braces", what first came to
my mind was the type that goes in the mouth. After came to me that it
could probably be some type of solution for holding pants.
So was something about redundancy...

> If you're not familiar with *either* of these, it means "having
> redundancy".  Wearing both a belt and a set of suspenders gives you
> two ways to prevent your pants from falling down.  Both have to fail
> before your pants fall down.
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237742 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 03:30:39PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 03:21:54PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > On 2021-07-25 11:13 a.m., Brian wrote:
> > > Belt and braces? We see you believe in it. :)
> > What do you mean by this ?
> > Belt and braces ??
> 
> "Braces" is a British term for suspenders.  The American version of
> this would be "belt and suspenders".
> 
> If you're not familiar with *either* of these, it means "having
> redundancy".  Wearing both a belt and a set of suspenders gives you
> two ways to prevent your pants from falling down.  Both have to fail
> before your pants fall down.
> 

Be careful: three countries divided by a common language here [.ca, .us and 
.uk :) ]

Belt and braces == British english for two ways to keep your trousers up.
[Braces == US/CA "suspenders" == webbing/elastic that goes from the trouser
top over the shoulders to the trouser top and clips to this.]

"Suspenders" in UK are used with old fashioned silk stockings and a garter belt
or similar: small clips to hook the stockings to. The sort of thing you might
see in a burlesque show, maybe, or for a fancy dress party.

Pants in UK == undergarments (men's underpants, normally).

So yes, belt and braces is redundancy: when my braces broke as I was in
church getting married, my suit trousers didn't have belt loops - so I 
had some difficulties :)

If this is hard: at least we've not got into orthography - how do you spell
tires/tyres - in British English, we can't understand why someone would 
write a verb for the plural noun ... ]

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater.

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#237743 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 20:43:02 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 03:30:39PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 03:21:54PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > > On 2021-07-25 11:13 a.m., Brian wrote:
> > > > Belt and braces? We see you believe in it. :)
> > > What do you mean by this ?
> > > Belt and braces ??
> > 
> > "Braces" is a British term for suspenders.  The American version of
> > this would be "belt and suspenders".
> > 
> > If you're not familiar with *either* of these, it means "having
> > redundancy".  Wearing both a belt and a set of suspenders gives you
> > two ways to prevent your pants from falling down.  Both have to fail
> > before your pants fall down.
> > 
> 
> Be careful: three countries divided by a common language here [.ca, .us and 
> .uk :) 

.ie, ,jm .au, .nz etc.
 
> Belt and braces == British english for two ways to keep your trousers up.
> [Braces == US/CA "suspenders" == webbing/elastic that goes from the trouser
> top over the shoulders to the trouser top and clips to this.]
> 
> "Suspenders" in UK are used with old fashioned silk stockings and a garter belt
> or similar: small clips to hook the stockings to. The sort of thing you might
> see in a burlesque show, maybe, or for a fancy dress party.

Or to spice up a husband and wife Saturday night. :) [OFF-TOPIC].
 
> Pants in UK == undergarments (men's underpants, normally).
> 
> So yes, belt and braces is redundancy: when my braces broke as I was in
> church getting married, my suit trousers didn't have belt loops - so I 
> had some difficulties :)

Not later on, we hope. :)

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#237745 — Re: Receipt [ was : needrestart - how to supress ncurses gui]

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: 
> 
> "Suspenders" in UK are used with old fashioned silk stockings and a garter belt
> or similar: small clips to hook the stockings to. The sort of thing you might
> see in a burlesque show, maybe, or for a fancy dress party.
> 

And there's another one:

UK fancy dress party sounds, in the US, like "formal evening
attire" but  means "costume party" or "masquerade".

-dsr-

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