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  Strange email behaviour................ Charlie <taotraveller@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 14:30 +0200
    Re: Strange email behaviour................ Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-07-20 15:10 +0200
    Re: Strange email behaviour................ rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-07-20 17:40 +0200
      Re: Strange email behaviour................ Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 20:30 +0200
        Re: Strange email behaviour................ rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-07-21 00:00 +0200
          Re: Strange email behaviour................ Charlie <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2021-07-23 04:40 +0200

#237543 — Strange email behaviour................

	From my keyboard:

	Hello Everyone,

	Using Claws Mail 3.17.8 Debian Bullseye

Received an email from a government department. Saved the attachment.
Then attempted to run a filter that would place all future emails from
this department using this address, into a designated folder.

Nothing happened when I ran the "filter all messages in folder" or when
I ran filter "filter selected messages". So then selected, highlighted,
the message and used the "move" command in Claws Mail, and selected the
folder the message was to go to.

It just vanished. Attempted to find the message in every directory
including Trash, but it is nowhere to be found, assume forever gone.

Can a macro or some such thing; be placed/hidden, in an email message
to delete it the minute an attempt is made to move it?

Just wondering, because any emails from this department will need to be
treated differently in the future, if this is the case.

Thanks for any information.
Charlie

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                           http://www.egwildlife.com.au/

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#237545

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Am Dienstag, 20. Juli 2021, 14:07:22 CEST schrieb Charlie:

Are you running some spamfilter, like spamassassin, spamd or whatever? Take a 
look at the rules, maybe there is a rule "delete recognized spammails".

I am not using clawsmail, but kmail, and my rules say: If this is a spammail, 
then move it to the folder "Spam", and mark it as "read". 

So you can see false positives and false negatives and let the spamfilter 
learn by correcting things manually.

Again, looks like a spam rule for me.

Best 

Hans 

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#237548

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 08:07:22 AM Charlie wrote:
> Nothing happened when I ran the "filter all messages in folder" or when
> I ran filter "filter selected messages". So then selected, highlighted,
> the message and used the "move" command in Claws Mail, and selected the
> folder the message was to go to.
> 
> It just vanished. Attempted to find the message in every directory
> including Trash, but it is nowhere to be found, assume forever gone.
> 
> Can a macro or some such thing; be placed/hidden, in an email message
> to delete it the minute an attempt is made to move it?

From the peanut gallery, my first suspicion would be that you've somehow 
specified the directory to move it to incorrectly.

It would be helpful to post the macro here, or if it is long, at least the 
parts relevant to moving that email to the directory you specified.

To answer your question, yes, a macro could be written (at least in some 
languages -- I don't use Claws mail so not sure about that) that could delete 
the email, although I would suspect it would end up in a trash folder in which 
you could find it.

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#237557

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On Ma, 20 iul 21, 11:37:02, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 08:07:22 AM Charlie wrote:
> > Nothing happened when I ran the "filter all messages in folder" or when
> > I ran filter "filter selected messages". So then selected, highlighted,
> > the message and used the "move" command in Claws Mail, and selected the
> > folder the message was to go to.
> > 
> > It just vanished. Attempted to find the message in every directory
> > including Trash, but it is nowhere to be found, assume forever gone.
> > 
> > Can a macro or some such thing; be placed/hidden, in an email message
> > to delete it the minute an attempt is made to move it?

In theory, yes, it's probably possible, but I think it is *highly* 
unlikely.

> From the peanut gallery, my first suspicion would be that you've somehow 
> specified the directory to move it to incorrectly.
> 
> It would be helpful to post the macro here, or if it is long, at least the 
> parts relevant to moving that email to the directory you specified.
> 
> To answer your question, yes, a macro could be written (at least in some 
> languages -- I don't use Claws mail so not sure about that) that could delete 
> the email, although I would suspect it would end up in a trash folder in which 
> you could find it.

The only realistic method that *might* work on many different clients 
would be to embed something in the HTML part. See EFAIL[1] for a past 
example. Even then, you might notice that not all clients were (fully)
affected[2].

Also, what would be the point in deleting the message just because it's 
moved to a different folder?

The only thing that might come close would be Outlook's "recall message" 
feature, though it rarely works properly on Outlook and I seriously 
doubt Claws Mail even supports it.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFAIL
[2] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/decade-old-efail-attack-can-decrypt-previously-obtained-encrypted-e-mails/

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#237562

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 02:19:43 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 20 iul 21, 11:37:02, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 08:07:22 AM Charlie wrote:
> > > Nothing happened when I ran the "filter all messages in folder" or when
> > > I ran filter "filter selected messages". So then selected, highlighted,
> > > the message and used the "move" command in Claws Mail, and selected the
> > > folder the message was to go to.
> > > 
> > > It just vanished. Attempted to find the message in every directory
> > > including Trash, but it is nowhere to be found, assume forever gone.
> > > 
> > > Can a macro or some such thing; be placed/hidden, in an email message
> > > to delete it the minute an attempt is made to move it?
> 
> In theory, yes, it's probably possible, but I think it is *highly*
> unlikely.
> 
> > From the peanut gallery, my first suspicion would be that you've somehow
> > specified the directory to move it to incorrectly.
> > 
> > It would be helpful to post the macro here, or if it is long, at least
> > the parts relevant to moving that email to the directory you specified.
> > 
> > To answer your question, yes, a macro could be written (at least in some
> > languages -- I don't use Claws mail so not sure about that) that could
> > delete the email, although I would suspect it would end up in a trash
> > folder in which you could find it.

Oops, disregard my answer / comments above, they are misleading / not on point 
-- I didn't read the original post carefully enough.

> The only realistic method that *might* work on many different clients
> would be to embed something in the HTML part. See EFAIL[1] for a past
> example. Even then, you might notice that not all clients were (fully)
> affected[2].
> 
> Also, what would be the point in deleting the message just because it's
> moved to a different folder?
> 
> The only thing that might come close would be Outlook's "recall message"
> feature, though it rarely works properly on Outlook and I seriously
> doubt Claws Mail even supports it.
> 
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFAIL
> [2]
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/decade-old-efail-at
> tack-can-decrypt-previously-obtained-encrypted-e-mails/
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

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#237630

	On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:51:59 -0400 rhkramer@gmail.com Informed
	me about Re: Strange email behaviour................

> Oops, disregard my answer / comments above, they are misleading / not
> on point -- I didn't read the original post carefully enough.

	Thank you all for your input. It is valued and has alleviated
	my concerns.

Charlie

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