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  ASTM Lab equipment protocol Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2021-07-09 15:30 +0200
    Re: ASTM Lab equipment protocol Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-09 18:30 +0200
      Re: ASTM Lab equipment protocol Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2021-07-09 19:10 +0200
        Re: ASTM Lab equipment protocol Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-09 19:20 +0200
          Re: ASTM Lab equipment protocol Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2021-07-09 22:10 +0200
            Re: ASTM Lab equipment protocol Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-09 23:10 +0200
    Re: ASTM Lab equipment protocol Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2021-07-09 21:10 +0200
      Re: ASTM Lab equipment protocol Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2021-07-11 12:20 +0200
        Fwd: Re: ASTM Lab equipment protocol Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2021-07-12 16:20 +0200
          Re: Fwd: Re: ASTM Lab equipment protocol Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2021-07-20 15:10 +0200

#237103 — ASTM Lab equipment protocol

Hi there


Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP) 
protocol? An overview would be nice.


Regards,
Rob

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#237104

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Hi,

On 2021-07-09 9:21 a.m., Rob van der Putten wrote:
> Hi there
> 
> 
> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
> protocol? An overview would be nice.
> 
Have you tried usign the packages.debian.org search engine for going
thru the packages descriptions ?

Possibly using astm keyword ?

That should give you some idea
> 
> Regards,
> Rob
> 
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237105

Hi there


On 09/07/2021 18:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> On 2021-07-09 9:21 a.m., Rob van der Putten wrote:

>> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
>> protocol? An overview would be nice.
>>
> Have you tried usign the packages.debian.org search engine for going
> thru the packages descriptions ?
> 
> Possibly using astm keyword ?

ASTM is not necessarily in the description.

> That should give you some idea

If only things could be that easy.


Regards,
Rob

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#237106

On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 19:04:06 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote:

> Hi there
> 
> 
> On 09/07/2021 18:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
> > On 2021-07-09 9:21 a.m., Rob van der Putten wrote:
> 
> > > Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
> > > protocol? An overview would be nice.
> > > 
> > Have you tried usign the packages.debian.org search engine for going
> > thru the packages descriptions ?
> > 
> > Possibly using astm keyword ?
> 
> ASTM is not necessarily in the description.
> 
> > That should give you some idea
> 
> If only things could be that easy.

The debian-med and/or the debian-science mailing list couls help out.

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-med/
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-science/

-- 
Brian.

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#237124

Hi there


On 09/07/2021 19:11, Brian wrote:

> On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 19:04:06 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote:
> 
>>
>> On 09/07/2021 18:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-09 9:21 a.m., Rob van der Putten wrote:
>>
>>>> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
>>>> protocol? An overview would be nice.
>>>>
>>> Have you tried usign the packages.debian.org search engine for going
>>> thru the packages descriptions ?
>>>
>>> Possibly using astm keyword ?
>>
>> ASTM is not necessarily in the description.
>>
>>> That should give you some idea
>>
>> If only things could be that easy.
> 
> The debian-med and/or the debian-science mailing list couls help out.
> 
>    https://lists.debian.org/debian-med/
>    https://lists.debian.org/debian-science/

Now that is easy. I did not know about the archives. Or the search.
No results though. So this might be a bit of a dead end.
It doesn't mean that software doesn't exist. Just that ASTM was never 
discussed on a Debian list.


Regards,
Rob

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#237135

> Now that is easy.  I did not know about the archives.  Or the search.
> No results though.  So this might be a bit of a dead end.
> It doesn't mean that software doesn't exist.  Just that ASTM was never
> discussed on a Debian list.

So you get to be the first!  Still it seems that debian-science or
debian-med is more likely to include people who know about ASTM than
debian-user ;-)


        Stefan

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#237112

Em 09-07-2021 10:21, Rob van der Putten escreveu:
> Hi there
>
>
> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP) 
> protocol? An overview would be nice.
>
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
>

Hi Rob,

Please, explain with more detail, and some example, what exactly are you 
looking for?

Best Regards,

Markos

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#237194

Hi


On 09/07/2021 20:43, Markos wrote:

> Em 09-07-2021 10:21, Rob van der Putten escreveu:
>>
>> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP) 
>> protocol? An overview would be nice.
> Please, explain with more detail, and some example, what exactly are you 
> looking for?

The sister of a friend is a vet. She has blood analyses equipment which 
sends analysis results to a serial port. Each brand and model has it's 
own protocol.
Recently she acquired Skyla VB1. This device has both a serial port and 
Ethernet. It sends a ^A to the serial port, expects a ^F and then sends 
the data followed by a ^D, after which it expects an other ^F.
I did manage to get data from the device this way.

The device can also use the ASTM protocol. With ASTM it can also use 
Ethernet. Which is more practical.
I could not find a free version of the ASTM standard. Apparently, there 
is some Linux software which supports ASTM, but what I could not find is 
a nice overview.


Regards,
Rob

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#237258

Hi


On 09/07/2021 20:43, Markos wrote:

> Em 09-07-2021 10:21, Rob van der Putten escreveu:
>>
>> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP) 
>> protocol? An overview would be nice.
> Please, explain with more detail, and some example, what exactly are you 
> looking for?

The sister of a friend is a vet. She has blood analyses equipment which
sends analysis results to a serial port. Each brand and model has it's
own protocol.
Recently she acquired Skyla VB1. This device has both a serial port and
Ethernet. It sends a ^A to the serial port, expects a ^F and then sends
the data followed by a ^D, after which it expects an other ^F.
I did manage to get data from the device this way.

The device can also use the ASTM protocol. With ASTM it can also use
Ethernet. Which is more practical.
I could not find a free version of the ASTM standard. Apparently, there
is some Linux software which supports ASTM, but what I could not find is
a nice overview.


Regards,
Rob

=========================================================================

Hi Rob,

OK. Now I understand a little bit more the situation.

You are referring to this pattern:
https://www.astm.org/Standards/E1381.htm  

I didn't know this standard.

What I have seen in my experience with laboratory automation with some instruments/equipment is that each manufacturer has its own ASCII communication protocol.

Therefore, it is more viable to use some standard to specify a communication interface but without specifying the specific protocol of each equipment/instrument.

The only ASTM standard for laboratory automation with this approach (define interface) was the LECIS standard, which is now discontinued:
https://www.astm.org/DATABASE.CART/WITHDRAWN/E1989.htm

I discovered, a few days ago, the SiLA project to standardize automation in the laboratory:
https://sila-standard.com/

But I still don't know the details.

I have already had to implement programs for serial communication with instruments and equipment in the laboratory.

But I don't remember seeing any Debian packages related to this ASTM standard.

I've found some programs for acquisition and graphic display of data received through the serial port.

But as they didn't have all the resources I decided to develop my own programs using the Tcl/Tk language, always using Debian.

I tried to document some of these projects on my website, which might be useful.

The material is in Portuguese but it is possible to translate it with the help of Google Translator: https://tinyurl.com/46vnrp68

Email-me if you have any question.

Best Regards,
Markos

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#237544

Hi there


On 12/07/2021 15:40, Markos wrote:

<Cut>

> OK. Now I understand a little bit more the situation.
> 
> You are referring to this pattern:
> https://www.astm.org/Standards/E1381.htm
> I didn't know this standard.
> 
> What I have seen in my experience with laboratory automation with some 
> instruments/equipment is that each manufacturer has its own ASCII 
> communication protocol.
> 
> Therefore, it is more viable to use some standard to specify a 
> communication interface but without specifying the specific protocol of 
> each equipment/instrument.
> 
> The only ASTM standard for laboratory automation with this approach 
> (define interface) was the LECIS standard, which is now discontinued:
> https://www.astm.org/DATABASE.CART/WITHDRAWN/E1989.htm
> 
> I discovered, a few days ago, the SiLA project to standardize automation 
> in the laboratory:
> https://sila-standard.com/
> 
> But I still don't know the details.
> 
> I have already had to implement programs for serial communication with 
> instruments and equipment in the laboratory.
> 
> But I don't remember seeing any Debian packages related to this ASTM 
> standard.

The thing to do is probably to use github search and then download, 
install and test each relevant program. I found two which are programmed 
in C, so I can modify them myself if need be.

The vet however is perfectly happy with using the native skyla protocol, 
so I used this instead. They are already using my software and perfectly 
happy with it. The software simply dumps the data in a text file which 
they then can access. Nothing fancy here.
There is an other blood analyses machine heading this way, with yet an 
other protocol for which I will also write software.

In the long run ASTM is probably the way to go. With lots of googling 
you can actually find bits and pieces of the standard without having to 
pay for it.

> I've found some programs for acquisition and graphic display of data 
> received through the serial port.
> 
> But as they didn't have all the resources I decided to develop my own 
> programs using the Tcl/Tk language, always using Debian.
> 
> I tried to document some of these projects on my website, which might be 
> useful.
> 
> The material is in Portuguese but it is possible to translate it with 
> the help of Google Translator: https://tinyurl.com/46vnrp68
> 
> Email-me if you have any question.


Regards,
Rob

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