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[OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

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  [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable  names]) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2021-07-14 17:20 +0200
    Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive  variable names]) Christian Groessler <chris@groessler.org> - 2021-07-14 17:50 +0200
      Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive  variable names]) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 20:30 +0200
    Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive  variable names]) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-15 09:00 +0200
      Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive  variable names]) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-15 09:10 +0200

#237387 — [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> wrote:

 > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100
 > Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
 >
 > (...)
 >
 >> Back when we had TV advertisements
 >> for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity.
 >
 > here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure
 > you that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide whether
 > they are rubbish or not) are the ones that are available virtually
 > everywhere, so I believe that it is safe to assume that they are
 > also the brands that sell.
 > So yes, unfortunately at least in some cases advertisements apparently
 > pay.

If they didn't pay, companies would have stopped sinking vast amounts
of effort and expense into them a century ago.

 >> As for 'targetted advertising', I've never seen any. When I notice
 >> the ads around the sides of web pages, none of them are aimed at me
 >
 > The same here. So maybe I have developed some skills obscuring my
 > "profile" to "them", or (maybe more likely) I am just too dumb to
 > realize that those ads *are* in fact targeted at me :-)

If they're targeted at me, I try to make sure they miss.

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#237389 — Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

On 7/14/21 5:02 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> wrote:
>
> > here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure
> > you that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide whether
> > they are rubbish or not) are the ones that are available virtually
> > everywhere, so I believe that it is safe to assume that they are
> > also the brands that sell.
> > So yes, unfortunately at least in some cases advertisements apparently
> > pay.
>
> If they didn't pay, companies would have stopped sinking vast amounts
> of effort and expense into them a century ago.


In the football EM there was some advertising for some beer.

They seem to be OK-ish. But I've tasted them just once I think.

Here in Germany, near Munich, we have a beer brand (from Munich) which 
doesn't advertise but is the "standard beer" all around :-)

regards,
chris

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#237446 — Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

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Hi,

On 2021-07-14 11:29 a.m., Christian Groessler wrote:

> Here in Germany, near Munich, we have a beer brand (from Munich) which
> doesn't advertise but is the "standard beer" all around :-)
> 
WoW That's pretty cool, a "standard beer". Everyone get used to the same
beer and you don't risk being offered one of those bad tasting beer when
you go to a friend's house !

You go to a club and ask "the standard beer please". That will be good
for myself so I don't too much like a tourist.
> regards,
> chris
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
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#237422 — Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

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On Mi, 14 iul 21, 08:02:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100
> > Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
> >
> > (...)
> >
> >> Back when we had TV advertisements
> >> for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity.
> >
> > here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure
> > you that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide whether
> > they are rubbish or not) are the ones that are available virtually
> > everywhere, so I believe that it is safe to assume that they are
> > also the brands that sell.
> > So yes, unfortunately at least in some cases advertisements apparently
> > pay.
> 
> If they didn't pay, companies would have stopped sinking vast amounts
> of effort and expense into them a century ago.

You're giving (big) companies a lot of credit, possibly unwarranted:


Does Advertising Actually Work? (Part 1: TV) (Ep. 440)
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/advertising-part-1/

Does Advertising Actually Work? (Part 2: Digital) (Ep. 441)
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/advertising-part-2/

(the links contain the transcripts as well, for those who prefer 
reading)


Kind regards,
Andrei
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#237423 — Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

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On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 09:55:50AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 14 iul 21, 08:02:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

[...]

> > If they didn't pay [for ads], companies would have stopped sinking vast amounts
> > of effort and expense into them a century ago.
> 
> You're giving (big) companies a lot of credit, possibly unwarranted:
> 
> 
> Does Advertising Actually Work? (Part 1: TV) (Ep. 440)
> https://freakonomics.com/podcast/advertising-part-1/
> 
> Does Advertising Actually Work? (Part 2: Digital) (Ep. 441)
> https://freakonomics.com/podcast/advertising-part-2/

Thanks for the links :)

I always say (somewhat with tongue-in-cheek, I don't have the time
or stamina to come up with anything even resembling a proof) that
ad industry is like the rain dance [1]. Probably many doubt it helps
at all, but you allocate resources for it... just in case.

I have the hunch that much of modern economics works at this level
(heck, even their "Nobel Prize" is fake).

Cheers
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_dance
 - t

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