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  Buster no release file kris <kris@dreamwaresystems.com> - 2021-07-11 00:30 +0200
    Re: Buster no release file Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-11 00:50 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-11 02:20 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-07-11 03:30 +0200
        Re: Buster no release file Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-11 03:50 +0200
          Re: Buster no release file Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-07-11 09:40 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2021-07-11 11:20 +0200
        Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 13:10 +0200
          Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 14:40 +0200
            Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-07-11 18:40 +0200
              Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 20:30 +0200
                Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-11 20:50 +0200
                  Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 21:20 +0200
                  Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-11 22:10 +0200
                    Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-07-11 22:20 +0200
                    Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2021-07-11 22:30 +0200
                      Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 22:40 +0200
                        Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-07-11 23:10 +0200
                          Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-12 09:50 +0200
                      Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Brian Thompson <brian@hashvault.io> - 2021-07-13 05:20 +0200
                        Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-07-14 00:50 +0200
                          Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-14 09:00 +0200
                    Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-11 23:00 +0200
                      Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-12 09:50 +0200
                        Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-12 10:20 +0200
                          Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-07-12 10:30 +0200
                          Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-07-12 13:00 +0200
                            Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-12 13:00 +0200
                        Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that opensource  means world will read you [ was : Offensive variable names [was: Cool down  ...]] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-12 10:20 +0200
                          Re: Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that opensource means world will read you "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-12 11:40 +0200
                            Re: Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that  opensource means world will read you Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-07-12 12:00 +0200
                            Re: Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that  opensource means world will read you Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-12 13:20 +0200
                      Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> - 2021-07-12 17:20 +0200
                        Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Brian Thompson <brian@hashvault.io> - 2021-07-13 05:30 +0200
                    Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-07-12 15:40 +0200
                      Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "Kevin N." <kevin@notscheduled.eu> - 2021-07-12 16:50 +0200
                        Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-07-12 17:50 +0200
                          Re: Offensive variable names "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-12 19:30 +0200
                        Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-07-12 18:50 +0200
                          Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2021-07-12 19:00 +0200
                            Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-07-12 23:30 +0200
                          Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "Kevin N." <kevin@notscheduled.eu> - 2021-07-12 19:10 +0200
                        Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Brian Thompson <brian@hashvault.io> - 2021-07-12 19:30 +0200
                          Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-12 20:10 +0200
        Re: Buster no release file "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-07-11 13:40 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-11 20:10 +0200
        Re: Buster no release file Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-11 20:20 +0200
          Re: Buster no release file Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-11 21:00 +0200
            Re: Buster no release file <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 21:10 +0200
              Re: Buster no release file Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-12 18:00 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-11 20:10 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 10:20 +0200
        Re: Buster no release file Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-07-12 12:00 +0200
          Re: Buster no release file Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-12 13:10 +0200
      Wiki Debian "Release page" should have template (Was Re: Buster no  release file) Robbi Nespu <robbinespu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 17:40 +0200
        Re: Wiki Debian "Release page" should have template (Was Re: Buster  no release file) Robbi Nespu <robbinespu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 18:10 +0200

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#237338 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

Brian T wrote:
>
>^ This.  I concur 100%.  Politically correct language, or politics in
>general, have no place in software.
>-- 
>Best regards,
>
>Brian T
>
>Coronavirus is a scam.
>9/11 was an inside job.

Please tell me that you're being ironic here, considering the garbage
in your signature...

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
"We're the technical experts.  We were hired so that management could
 ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs."  -- Mike Andrews

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#237352 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

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On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:48:16PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Brian T wrote:
> >
> >^ This.  I concur 100%.  Politically correct language, or politics in
> >general, have no place in software.
> >-- 
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Brian T
> >
> >Coronavirus is a scam.
> >9/11 was an inside job.
> 
> Please tell me that you're being ironic here, considering the garbage
> in your signature...

I tend to file those under "possibly Poe's Law [1]".

Cheers
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
 - t

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#237221 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

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Hi,

> Whatever, the use of controversial words in publicly visible code is not
> an indication of a professional attitude. Overdoing juvenile enthusiasm
> for provocation might lead to a result like with the "weboob" package which
> got removed from Debian
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907199
> 
Just took a look at this.
It was a real time consuming job only to "try" fixing something done
because a kid had too much free time !

It's really childish to gratify oneself by putting offensive comments in
a software.
> 
> Have a nice day :)
> 
> Thomas
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237229 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

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On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 04:58:55PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

[...]

> It's really childish to gratify oneself by putting offensive comments in
> a software.

Denigrating someone because you disagree with him/her is not a sign of
wisdom. Quoting your own signature: "be wise...".

And no, I don't intend to discuss that further with you.

Cheers
 - t

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#237231 — Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

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Hi,

On 2021-07-12 3:43 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 04:58:55PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> It's really childish to gratify oneself by putting offensive comments in
>> a software.
> 
> Denigrating someone because you disagree with him/her is not a sign of
> wisdom. Quoting your own signature: "be wise...".
> 
I didn't denigrate someone.
For your information, name calling, being rude, being offensive are
things we all mostly done in the school yard, as a kid.

So, when someone act this way, for example by using the word "faggot"
inside a software. In this particular case, as a text message sent when
the software goes over web protection against automation. I say that
this person is acting like it was in the school yard.

And that is childish.

I don't know what you are looking for but maybe you have too much free time.

> And no, I don't intend to discuss that further with you.
> 
What's the goal of your message ?
You didn't need to add your "two bits of salt and pepers" if you didn't
want the answer.

> Cheers
>  - t
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237235 — Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

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On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 04:11:18AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-07-12 3:43 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 04:58:55PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> >> It's really childish to gratify oneself by putting offensive comments in
> >> a software.
> > 
> > Denigrating someone because you disagree with him/her is not a sign of
> > wisdom. Quoting your own signature: "be wise...".
> > 
> I didn't denigrate someone.

Have the last word. I didn't even read it. For me, this thread is through.

Cheers
 - t

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#237244 — Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

On Monday, July 12, 2021 04:11:18 AM Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> And that is childish.

And that is denigrating.

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#237245 — Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 06:52:34AM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 12, 2021 04:11:18 AM Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > And that is childish.
> 
> And that is denigrating.

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

Just a friendly reminder to all participants of this thread.

Reco

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#237234 — Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that opensource means world will read you [ was : Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]]

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Hi,

On 2021-07-12 3:43 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 04:58:55PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> It's really childish to gratify oneself by putting offensive comments in
>> a software.
> 
> Denigrating someone because you disagree with him/her is not a sign of
> wisdom. Quoting your own signature: "be wise...".
> 
Think what you want... If you have better adjective for someone who does
the following :

--START OF CODE--
            print("Ok, so leave now, fag.")

        # XXX OLD API IS DISABLED (fucking faggots)

    def build_token(self, token):
        """
        These fucking faggots have introduced a new protection on the token.

        Each time there is a call to SAB (selectActionButton), the token
        available in the form is modified with a key available in JS:


            # CAUTION: this fucking website write a 'Date valeur' inside
a div with a class == 'c-ope'

        # i hope they fucking burn in hell for making it that painful

--END OF CODE--

https://git.woob.tech/weboob/weboob/merge_requests/228/diffs

So if you have better word for this type of action than calling this
"childish" then I'd be more than happy to say "Sorry, someone got me a
better word to explain this politely".

Have you read the diffs regarding the "weboob" software that was mentioned ?

Maybe it would be good to know what you are talking about ?

> And no, I don't intend to discuss that further with you.
> 
Then why do you bother writing me a message then ?

> Cheers
>  - t
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237237 — Re: Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that opensource means world will read you

Hi,

Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside quoted:
> # XXX OLD API IS DISABLED (fucking faggots)

(Conveniently already marked as "XXX" language.)

grep finds in linux-source-4.19 the first f-word (with or without "ing")
at 30 occasions with a wide range of actual meanings.

Self-irony:
  ./drivers/scsi/qlogicpti.h:/* Am I fucking pedantic or what? */

Self-pity:
  ./net/core/skbuff.c:                    /* Fuck, we are miserable poor guys... */

Jokingly cursing against the establishment (maybe by the establishment
himself):
  ./lib/vsprintf.c: * Wirzenius wrote this portably, Torvalds fucked it up :-)

Astonishment:
  ./drivers/media/i2c/bt819.c:                                       BUG? Why does turning the chroma comb on fuck up color?

Pedagogics:
  ./Documentation/kernel-hacking/locking.rst:If you don't see why, please stay the fuck away from my code.

Outmost warning:
  ./arch/m68k/include/asm/sun3ints.h:/* master list of VME vectors -- don't fuck with this */


The other f-word is not present in the kernel sources.
(Maybe because bleep-ing Windows bleeps call us "Linux fags" ?)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#237239 — Re: Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that opensource means world will read you

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Thomas Schmitt (12021-07-12):
> (Maybe because bleep-ing Windows bleeps call us "Linux fags" ?)

Maybe because the kernel programmers are smart enough to know that it's
not about the word, it's about what it means.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#237248 — Re: Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that opensource means world will read you

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:36:05 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:


> Astonishment:
>   ./drivers/media/i2c/bt819.c:
> BUG? Why does turning the chroma comb on fuck up color?
> 

Probably the filter coefficients are incorrect, possibly for the wrong
standard (4.43361875MHz/3.579545MHz).

-- 
Joe

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#237260 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

Le dimanche 11 juillet 2021, 22:58:55 CEST Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> > Whatever, the use of controversial words in publicly visible code is
> > not an indication of a professional attitude. Overdoing juvenile
> > enthusiasm for provocation might lead to a result like with the
> > "weboob" package which got removed from Debian
> > 
> >   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907199
> 
> Just took a look at this.
> It was a real time consuming job only to "try" fixing something done
> because a kid had too much free time !
> 
> It's really childish to gratify oneself by putting offensive comments in
> a software.

I think it is bad policy of morally judging the frustration, anger or tone 
of people because of their oppressors.  I think being mad or offensive, at 
least not even face-to-face, against your boss, bank, etc. is normal and 
sane (at least it is in our country).  On the other hand, tone policing 
looks a bad idea to me, because it blocks debate while maybe discouraging 
people to contribute their ideas u.u

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#237283 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

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On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 04:45:51PM +0200, Alexandre Garreau wrote:
>
>I think it is bad policy of morally judging the frustration, anger or tone 
>of people because of their oppressors.

Oppression has come a long weigh.  Apparently, in my country,  it is
considered oppressive to be a minority who leeches off of the government
and hard-working taxpayers (who, btw, have never seen a positive return on
their federal taxes) and contributing nothing to society.  Oppression
has come a long way from 1912... At least the only countries (that we know
about) with concentration camps is China and NK, but hey, genocide is not
oppressive at all in 2021.
-- 
Best regards,

Brian T

Coronavirus is a scam.
9/11 was an inside job.

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#237257 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

On 2021-07-11, Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Whatever, the use of controversial words in publicly visible code is not
> an indication of a professional attitude. Overdoing juvenile enthusiasm
> for provocation might lead to a result like with the "weboob" package which
> got removed from Debian

Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it
might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable
youth.

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#237259 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

> Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it
> might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable
> youth.

Don't get me wrong: like many other things, offensive languages is a 
serious one.
But, instead of helping, I think that you are in fact minimizing its 
gravity with such exaggerated actions.

I for one, have never in my life thought of alcohol when I saw a 
variable named "foobar". That is ... until I saw your post today :) .

What's next? Should we also file a ticket to ban "chocolate bar".
Or maybe we should ban mathematics completely from computing, since the 
"bar" symbol is a frequently used one there?

https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Bar.html
https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Macron.html


Give today's youth a bit of credit. You might discover that they are 
smarter than you think.


I still hope that you were joking though :)


Cheers,

K.

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#237261 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

On 7/12/21 7:39 AM, Kevin N. wrote:
>> Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it
>> might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable
>> youth.
>
> Don't get me wrong: like many other things, offensive languages is a 
> serious one.
> But, instead of helping, I think that you are in fact minimizing its 
> gravity with such exaggerated actions.
>
> I for one, have never in my life thought of alcohol when I saw a 
> variable named "foobar". That is ... until I saw your post today :) .
>
> What's next? Should we also file a ticket to ban "chocolate bar".
> Or maybe we should ban mathematics completely from computing, since 
> the "bar" symbol is a frequently used one there?
>
> https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Bar.html
> https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Macron.html
I see the number 80085 has been removed from Maths. It's about time!
>
>
> Give today's youth a bit of credit. You might discover that they are 
> smarter than you think.
>
>
> I still hope that you were joking though :)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> K.
>
>

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#237266 — Re: Offensive variable names

Hi,

Curt wrote:
> > I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it
> > might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable
> > youth.

Kevin N. wrote:
> I for one, have never in my life thought of alcohol when I saw a variable
> named "foobar". That is ... until I saw your post today :) .

Factually plausible.

But what would be wrong about "foobleep" ?


> Give today's youth a bit of credit. You might discover that they are smarter
> than you think.

That's my main objection against Curt's initiative. Imagine what they
could do to me substantially age-wise challenged person while not being
drunk, drugged, or busy with bleeping.


Peter Ehlert wrote:
> I see the number 80085 has been removed from Maths. It's about time!

There are still lots of legacy calculators around which display it
and also 58008.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#237263 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

On 2021-07-12, Kevin N. <kevin@notscheduled.eu> wrote:
>> Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it
>> might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable
>> youth.
>
> Don't get me wrong: like many other things, offensive languages is a 
> serious one.
> But, instead of helping, I think that you are in fact minimizing its 
> gravity with such exaggerated actions.
>

I guess my sense of humor may be a little too dry.

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#237264 — Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

I know people who associate the time-honored metasyntactic "foobar" with 
the military slang acronym FUBAR.

--
JHHL

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