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  upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-10 14:00 +0200
    Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working          firefox Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-04-10 14:30 +0200
      Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working  firefox <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-10 14:40 +0200
      Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-11 13:30 +0200
    Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working  firefox David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-04-10 19:10 +0200
      Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working  firefox David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-10 20:20 +0200
        Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-11 13:40 +0200
          Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working  firefox Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-04-11 13:50 +0200
            Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working  firefox "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-04-11 14:10 +0200
              Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-12 18:20 +0200
      Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working  firefox Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-10 21:20 +0200
      Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-11 13:40 +0200
    Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working  firefox David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-10 20:10 +0200
      Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-11 13:50 +0200

#234067 — upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox

Hello all,

I don't frequently upgrade if my system (mostly Debian testing) is
working but my bank told me that my browser was out of date and I needed
to upgrade.

So, I did 'apt update' and 'apt install firefox-esr' to upgrade from
version 78.6 to version 78.9.  Start up the new version and not a single
site I tried worked.  Just blank pages.

Reverted to 78.6 and it works just fine (although the bank is not happy
with me...).

I've checked the Debian bugs list but did not see anything relevant
(although there are so many bug reports that it's easy to miss one...).

I don't have time to do much more investigating at the moment but
thought I'd post this just in case anybody else has had the same
behaviour.  I'll hopefully investigate more in a few days.

Thank you,
eric

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.4 on Debian bullseye/sid

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#234068 — Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox

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Eric S Fraga writes:

> Hello all,
>
> I don't frequently upgrade if my system (mostly Debian testing) is
> working but my bank told me that my browser was out of date and I needed
> to upgrade.
>
> So, I did 'apt update' and 'apt install firefox-esr' to upgrade from
> version 78.6 to version 78.9.  Start up the new version and not a single
> site I tried worked.  Just blank pages.
>
> Reverted to 78.6 and it works just fine (although the bank is not happy
> with me...).
>
> I've checked the Debian bugs list but did not see anything relevant
> (although there are so many bug reports that it's easy to miss one...).
>
> I don't have time to do much more investigating at the moment but
> thought I'd post this just in case anybody else has had the same
> behaviour.  I'll hopefully investigate more in a few days.

Did you try to completely stop all of the previous version's processes?

With new Firefox updates I frequently observe that the already running old  
version "disintegrates" -- I cannot open new pages and get error messages or  
blank pages instead. This can then be solved by closing all Firefox windows  
and starting it such that only the new executable ist running.

HTH
Linux-Fan

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#234069 — Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 02:21:13PM +0200, Linux-Fan wrote:

[...]

> Did you try to completely stop all of the previous version's processes?
> 
> With new Firefox updates I frequently observe that the already
> running old version "disintegrates" [...]

Very polite way to put it :)

Yes, that's my experience, too.

Cheers
 - t

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#234090

On Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 14:21, Linux-Fan wrote:
> Did you try to completely stop all of the previous version's processes?

Yes, I had quit firefox and also added 'pkill firefox-esr' for good
measure.

I will try upgrading firefox-esr again and make triply sure everything
is gone before starting it.

thank you,
eric

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.4 on Debian bullseye/sid

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#234075 — Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox

On 4/10/21 4:59 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote:

> ... I did 'apt update' and 'apt install firefox-esr' to upgrade from
> version 78.6 to version 78.9. 


I have not figured out the difference between apt(8) and apt-get(8).  It 
looks like the former uses the latter as a back-end (?).  I use apt-get(8).


Always backup before doing updates; especially kernel upgrades.


When I want to upgrade, re-install, or install packages, I start with 
'apt-get update'.


I would have done 'apt-get upgrade ...' instead of 'apt install ...'.  I 
then reboot.


If there are packages that have been kept back, I do 'apt-get 
dist-upgrade' and then reboot.


If I want to re-install a package for whatever reason, I do 'apt-get 
remove ...' or 'apt-get purge ...'.  If I'm suspicious, I reboot.  Then 
I do 'apt-get install ...' and reboot.


David

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#234078 — Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox

On Sat 10 Apr 2021 at 10:05:23 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 4/10/21 4:59 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> 
> > ... I did 'apt update' and 'apt install firefox-esr' to upgrade from
> > version 78.6 to version 78.9.
> 
> I have not figured out the difference between apt(8) and apt-get(8).
> It looks like the former uses the latter as a back-end (?).  I use
> apt-get(8).

I don't think that's the problem with interpreting the OP's command,
but rather, their sources.list and what's actually installed, when
they say:

    "my system (mostly Debian testing)"

> Always backup before doing updates; especially kernel upgrades.
> 
> When I want to upgrade, re-install, or install packages, I start with
> 'apt-get update'.
> 
> I would have done 'apt-get upgrade ...' instead of 'apt install ...'.
> I then reboot.

I'm not certain that's wise as it could try to upgrade everything to
testing. That might or might not be desirable—we can't tell because
we don't know the mix of packages.

> If there are packages that have been kept back, I do 'apt-get
> dist-upgrade' and then reboot.
> 
> If I want to re-install a package for whatever reason, I do 'apt-get
> remove ...' or 'apt-get purge ...'.  If I'm suspicious, I reboot.
> Then I do 'apt-get install ...' and reboot.

Cheers,
David.

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#234091

On Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 13:18, David Wright wrote:
>     "my system (mostly Debian testing)"

For clarity, it's testing but has a couple of packages from elsewhere
(MS Teams, Zoom) due to the fun times we are in...  For some reason, my
computer seems to think I am running bullseye/sid (contents of
/etc/debian-version) although I do try to avoid Debian unstable so not
sure where the /sid bit comes from.

cheers,
eric

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.4 on Debian bullseye/sid

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#234093 — Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox

Le 11/04/2021 à 13:33, Eric S Fraga a écrit :
> On Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 13:18, David Wright wrote:
>>     "my system (mostly Debian testing)"
> For clarity, it's testing but has a couple of packages from elsewhere
> (MS Teams, Zoom) due to the fun times we are in...  For some reason, my
> computer seems to think I am running bullseye/sid (contents of
> /etc/debian-version) although I do try to avoid Debian unstable so not
> sure where the /sid bit comes from.
>
It comes from /etc/debian_version in base-files package and thats'what
the version in Bullseye says. No need to fear anything that's normal for
a computer using testing.

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#234095 — Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 01:48:09PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 11/04/2021 à 13:33, Eric S Fraga a écrit :
> > On Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 13:18, David Wright wrote:
> >>     "my system (mostly Debian testing)"
> > For clarity, it's testing but has a couple of packages from elsewhere
> > (MS Teams, Zoom) due to the fun times we are in...  For some reason, my
> > computer seems to think I am running bullseye/sid (contents of
> > /etc/debian-version) although I do try to avoid Debian unstable so not
> > sure where the /sid bit comes from.
> >
> It comes from /etc/debian_version in base-files package and thats'what
> the version in Bullseye says. No need to fear anything that's normal for
> a computer using testing.

As suggested elsewhere: Testing is currently frozen, relatively few changes
happening. If this is a computer you rely on absolutely, you might want to
make sure that all the entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list point to bullseye
at the moment.

Doing this will ensure that as Bullseye is released you get stability. That 
also means that you will move from Testing -> Stable.

As _soon_ as Bullseye is released as stable, Testing -> Bookworm. The brakes
will come off and a large amount of packages, changes and fixes that have
been held back by the freeze will pour in.

For you at the moment, the change would not be material but in as little as
a couple of months it could mean a broken system.
I updated a system running Buster -> Bullseye yesterday with no particular
breakage using apt-get. If you do it the other way, you will potentially be
guaranteeing long term stability - talks are going on at the moment to perhaps
release Bullseye as early as May.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
> 

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#234137

On Sunday, 11 Apr 2021 at 12:05, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> As suggested elsewhere: Testing is currently frozen, relatively few changes
> happening. If this is a computer you rely on absolutely, you might want to
> make sure that all the entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list point to bullseye
> at the moment.

Thank you.  Excellent suggestion!

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.4 on Debian bullseye/sid

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#234081 — Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:05:23AM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> I have not figured out the difference between apt(8) and apt-get(8).  It
> looks like the former uses the latter as a back-end (?).

Not quite.  They both use the same libraries to do the actual work, but
one does not actually execute the other.  The libraries are the "back-end",
and the programs are just interfaces for setting parameters and displaying
output.

> I use apt-get(8).

Me too.  The colors that apt uses are incompatible with a white background,
and I use terminals with a white background.  Also, I don't like having
the .deb files deleted from /var/cache/apt/archives/ automatically.

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#234092

On Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 10:05, David Christensen wrote:
> When I want to upgrade, re-install, or install packages, I start with
> 'apt-get update'.

Yes, did that.

> I would have done 'apt-get upgrade ...' instead of 'apt install
> ...'.  I then reboot.

Not sure if you are saying to upgrade all packages or to use 'upgrade
firefox-esr'?  If the former, I did not want to do that.  Although I use
Debian testing, I treat it with respect and only upgrade when I really
need something that has changed (or for security reasons).

> If I want to re-install a package for whatever reason, I do 'apt-get
> remove ...' or 'apt-get purge ...'.  If I'm suspicious, I
> reboot.  Then I do 'apt-get install ...' and reboot.

Yes, I guess I could be extreme and try this if everything else
fails.  Thank you.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.4 on Debian bullseye/sid

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#234077 — Re: upgrading firefox-esr from 78.6 to 78.9 results in non-working firefox

On Sat 10 Apr 2021 at 12:59:12 (+0100), Eric S Fraga wrote:
> 
> I don't frequently upgrade if my system (mostly Debian testing) is
> working but my bank told me that my browser was out of date and I needed
> to upgrade.
> 
> So, I did 'apt update' and 'apt install firefox-esr' to upgrade from
> version 78.6 to version 78.9.  Start up the new version and not a single
> site I tried worked.  Just blank pages.
> 
> Reverted to 78.6 and it works just fine (although the bank is not happy
> with me...).
> 
> I've checked the Debian bugs list but did not see anything relevant
> (although there are so many bug reports that it's easy to miss one...).
> 
> I don't have time to do much more investigating at the moment but
> thought I'd post this just in case anybody else has had the same
> behaviour.  I'll hopefully investigate more in a few days.

My reaction upon reading this is that perhaps you should change your
priorities slightly.

The fact that the system "works" is a high bar for upgrading, and
takes no account of whether the system has vulnrabilities ripe
for exploit.

OTOH the bank's website may well be checking your version number
against the latest available from mozilla (87 AIUI), without
regard for any patching done by Debian.

FWIW all the sites that I normally visit are working with
78.9.0esr-1~deb10u1, the current version. (Note that writing
"version 78.9" doesn't tell us which version you're running—I see
a different one in bullseye: 78.9.0esr-1.)

Perhaps your problem lies with the mix of packages you have installed,
as you wrote "mostly Debian testing" above. But I would repeat
Linux-Fan's exhortation not to upgrade FF while an instance is
running, and also suggest testing the new version with a fresh
profile to avoid losing any information from your old profile.

Cheers,
David.

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#234094

On Saturday, 10 Apr 2021 at 13:08, David Wright wrote:
> My reaction upon reading this is that perhaps you should change your
> priorities slightly.

Yes, I understand where you are coming from.  I do follow security
advisories and upgrade specific packages.  I do periodically upgrade all
packages, just not with high frequency (e.g. maybe every 4-5 months).

> The fact that the system "works" is a high bar for upgrading, and
> takes no account of whether the system has vulnrabilities ripe
> for exploit.

But my computer is necessary for my work so I don't want to jeopardise
it when it is doing the job.  Yes, I could use Debian stable and
probably should but over the (many) years, I found that I ended up
needing to start using the backports repository too much.  Testing with
careful tracking works for me (fingers crossed).

> OTOH the bank's website may well be checking your version number
> against the latest available from mozilla (87 AIUI), without
> regard for any patching done by Debian.

Yes, very likely.

> FWIW all the sites that I normally visit are working with
> 78.9.0esr-1~deb10u1, the current version. (Note that writing
> "version 78.9" doesn't tell us which version you're running—I see
> a different one in bullseye: 78.9.0esr-1.)

Yes, sorry, I was being lazy.  It is indeed 78.9.0esr-1.

Thanks again,
eric

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.4 on Debian bullseye/sid

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