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  How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 22:30 +0100
    Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian  “buster”? Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2021-01-09 22:50 +0100
      Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 23:50 +0100
        Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian  “buster”? Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2021-01-10 02:00 +0100
          Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2021-01-10 02:10 +0100
            Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-01-10 14:10 +0100
              Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-01-10 14:30 +0100
                Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-01-10 14:50 +0100
                  Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-10 18:00 +0100
                    Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 20:40 +0100
                      Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-10 21:20 +0100
                Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 17:30 +0100
                  Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-01-10 21:20 +0100
              Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 17:40 +0100
                Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-10 18:10 +0100
                  Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 21:00 +0100
                    Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-10 21:30 +0100
                    Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian  “buster”? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 16:20 +0100
                Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-01-10 23:10 +0100
              Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian  “buster”? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 17:20 +0100
          Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 11:20 +0100
      Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Carles Pina i Estany <carles@pina.cat> - 2021-01-12 11:40 +0100
    Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-01-09 23:00 +0100
    Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster???? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-01-10 01:00 +0100
      Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster???? William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 08:40 +0100
        Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster???? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 09:10 +0100
          Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster???? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-11 16:40 +0100
        Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster???? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-01-11 16:20 +0100
          Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster???? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-01-11 16:40 +0100
    Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian  “buster”? John Darrah <xyllyx@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 02:30 +0100
    Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-01-10 04:40 +0100
    Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 11:10 +0100

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On Sb, 09 ian 21, 19:58:06, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Sat, 2021-01-09 at 23:39 +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > Carl Fink wrote:
> > 
> > > The recommendation is to reinstall instead. It's easier and doesn't
> > > take much more time.
> > 
> > Please do not share your personal thoughts as recommendations. I
> > would never
> > reinstall my system.
> 
> Please don't try to read my mind. I'm repeating the recommendation I've
> seen on this very list for decades.
 
This list is mostly read by other Debian Users and some Debian Members. 

Unless stated otherwise any recommendations you read here are personal 
opinions.

Official Debian communication is done only via dedicated channels (which 
debian-user isn't).

Debian goes to great lengths to support and document upgrading between 
releases. It also provides a very flexible installer for new 
installations.

The choice between upgrade and reinstall can depend on a lot of factors 
and depending on the situation there may be good reasons for either of 
them.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#230594

Hi,

On Jan/09/2021, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Sat, 2021-01-09 at 15:25 -0600, William Torrez Corea wrote:
> > My version actually is Debian 4.19.146-1 (2020-09-17) x86_64
> > GNU/Linux.
> 
> The recommendation is to reinstall instead. It's easier and doesn't
> take much more time.

Depends on the system's configuration it might take much more time to
re-install and set up again the upgrade.

I've been upgrading Debian systems for many, many years and the upgrade
process for me has been shorter, for my systems, than installing+setup
(e.g. to change from 32 bit to 64 or adding a new computer).

After using a system for a long time if not very careful it might has a
set of personalisations that might be hard to do again from scratch.
Again: depends on the particular system.

Just my 2cents...

-- 
Carles Pina i Estany
https://carles.pina.cat

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#230497

William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> writes:

> My version actually is Debian 4.19.146-1 (2020-09-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux.

It seems you might already be running Buster although that looks like a
kernel version. You can check with lsb_release -d or the GUI program
hardinfo.

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#230504 — Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster????

William Torrez Corea wrote: 
> My version actually is Debian 4.19.146-1 (2020-09-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux.
> 

Well, that's a Buster or buster-backports kernel. What does
/etc/debian-version say?

What are the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ?

-dsr-

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#230558 — Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster????

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cat /etc/debian_version
10.7

cat /etc/apt/sources.list
#

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.0.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 NETINST
20190706-10:23]/ buster main

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.0.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 NETINST
20190706-10:23]/ buster main

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster main
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster main

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main

# buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main

# This system was installed using small removable media
# (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
# entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
# For information about how to configure apt package sources,
# see the sources.list(5) manual.
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib

# realtek firmware
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main non-free
deb-src  http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main non-free
#deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main contrib non-free
#deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main contrib non-free

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 5:58 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> William Torrez Corea wrote:
> > My version actually is Debian 4.19.146-1 (2020-09-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux.
> >
>
> Well, that's a Buster or buster-backports kernel. What does
> /etc/debian-version say?
>
> What are the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ?
>
> -dsr-
>


-- 

With kindest regards, William.

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#230559 — Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster????

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On Lu, 11 ian 21, 01:34:41, William Torrez Corea wrote:
> cat /etc/debian_version
> 10.7

It looks like your are running up-to-date buster, at least to the most 
recent point release.
 
> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> #
> 
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.0.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 NETINST
> 20190706-10:23]/ buster main
> 
> #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.0.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 NETINST
> 20190706-10:23]/ buster main

Hopefully these were wrapped by the mail program, they should be one 
long line each in sources.list (but APT would complain if they weren't).

> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> 
> # buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main

Unless you are compiling packages it is safe to disable the 'deb-src' 
lines, it should make 'apt update' a little bit faster.

> # This system was installed using small removable media
> # (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
> # entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
> # For information about how to configure apt package sources,
> # see the sources.list(5) manual.
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib

At the moment stable = buster. If you keep this line APT will (attempt 
to) upgrade to the next stable (bullseye) as soon as it is released.

In most cases such a distribution upgrade should be well prepared 
(starting with reading the Release Notes), so you might want to remove 
this line completely. See also below.

> # realtek firmware
> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main non-free
> deb-src  http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main non-free

The stretch release is currently 'oldstable'.

I suggest adding 'contrib' (if needed) and 'non-free' to the buster 
'deb' lines above (all of them) in order to upgrade the firmware 
package(s).

If everything works correctly you should then disable the stretch lines.

> #deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main contrib non-free
> #deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main contrib non-free

Mixing Debian with other distributions is dangerous.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#230570 — Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster????

Andrei POPESCU wrote:
...
> Mixing Debian with other distributions is dangerous.

  yes, that's just asking for trouble.


  songbird

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#230568 — Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster????

On Mon 11 Jan 2021 at 01:34:41 (-0600), William Torrez Corea wrote:
> cat /etc/debian_version
> 10.7

So that looks as if you're running buster at the latest point-release,
with the exception of any packages that are being held back, like
presumably the kernel.

> cat /etc/apt/sources.list

This file looks quite "crafted", as if you have some specific
requirements.

> #
> 
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.0.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 NETINST 20190706-10:23]/ buster main
> 
> #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.0.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 NETINST 20190706-10:23]/ buster main

So it looks as if you installed buster quite early in its release
period, and have been upgrading it to 10.7. That would mean that
you must have been upgrading the kernel-image package already.

> 
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> 
> # buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main

I'm not sure why you're not considering contrib and non-free packages
at this time whereas you still have these in the stretch lines below.

> 
> # This system was installed using small removable media
> # (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
> # entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
> # For information about how to configure apt package sources,
> # see the sources.list(5) manual.
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib

You already have this line above, as buster. In such a crafted file as
this, I'm surprised you'd want to suddenly consider bullseye sources
on their release day.

> 
> # realtek firmware
> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main non-free
> deb-src  http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main non-free

Are you running some specific firmware packages from the old release?
Could this be a reason for not routinely performing apt-get's
dist-upgrade to upgrade the kernel?

> #deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main contrib non-free
> #deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main contrib non-free

I don't know whether these lines have ever been activated since you
originally installed 10.0. I have no idea of the consequences that
activating them would have, and whether apt might install packages
that prevent others from being able to upgrade.

Summing up, it looks as though you've probably been keeping the system
up to date with   apt-get update   and   apt-get upgrade. I'd be
interested to see what   apt-get dist-upgrade   would give you as its
intentions. (And answer no if they are unsatifactory.)

> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 5:58 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> > William Torrez Corea wrote:
> > > My version actually is Debian 4.19.146-1 (2020-09-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux.
> >
> > Well, that's a Buster or buster-backports kernel. What does
> > /etc/debian-version say?

Backports kernels should have "bpo" in their version, so it's not that.

Cheers,
David.

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#230572 — Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian ???buster????

On Mon 11 Jan 2021 at 09:13:53 (-0600), David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 11 Jan 2021 at 01:34:41 (-0600), William Torrez Corea wrote:
> > cat /etc/debian_version
> > 10.7
> 
> So that looks as if you're running buster at the latest point-release,
> with the exception of any packages that are being held back, like
> presumably the kernel.

Ah, I forgot to insert one thing before I sent this off.

I always install linux-image-amd64, whose dependencies are modified
as each new image is released. If you ever install a specific version,
like say linux-image-4.19.0-11-amd64 in your case, you might never
become aware that a new version has been released, because apt sees
the new linux-image package as just any old random package that's been
added to the distribution, like gnomebasher, say.

So make sure that linux-image-amd64 is installed, and marked 'manual',
and that any more specific versions are not manual, but automatic.
(That is, if you don't have your own reasons against doing that.)

Cheers,
David.

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#230510 — Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”?

On Sat, 2021-01-09 at 13:26 -0800, William Torrez Corea wrote:
> My version actually is Debian 4.19.146-1 (2020-09-17) x86_64
> GNU/Linux.
> 

See this: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade

-- john

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#230516

On Sat 09 Jan 2021 at 15:25:17 (-0600), William Torrez Corea wrote:
> My version actually is Debian 4.19.146-1 (2020-09-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux.

You *are* running buster: that's the *kernel* version.
Mine looks like this:

$ uname -a
Linux axis 4.19.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.160-2 (2020-11-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ 

When this kernel (linux-image-4.19.0-13-amd64, 4.19.160-2) was
upgraded here (Dec 5), it replaced 4.19.0-12-amd64, 4.19.152-1,
and I purged the version before that (linux-image-4.19.0-11-amd64,
4.19.146-1), which is yours. So it looks as if you're two kernel
versions behind.

You might not be aware that upgraded kernels are seen as new
packages, because the version number is part of the package name.
So an "ordinary" upgrade should leave the old version untouched.
Three commands (as root) that would rectify this are, in order:

# apt-get update
# apt-get upgrade
# apt-get dist-upgrade

The first updates the packages list.
The second upgrades most packages that need it, and tells you that
it is holding back the kernel package(s).
When you run the third of these, check from the output that the system
is only installing a package like linux-image-… (and perhaps linux-headers),
and that nothing is being removed.

If that's not the case, repost the output here.

Cheers,
David.

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On Sb, 09 ian 21, 15:25:17, William Torrez Corea wrote:
> My version actually is Debian 4.19.146-1 (2020-09-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux.
> 

Please show the output of 'apt policy'.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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