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  Why is idle not detected? Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> - 2021-01-06 21:50 +0100
    Re: Why is idle not detected? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 00:30 +0100
      Re: Why is idle not detected? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 07:30 +0100
    Re: Why is idle not detected? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 07:30 +0100
    Re: Why is idle not detected? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-01-09 10:00 +0100
    potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-09 15:30 +0100
      Re: potus@lists.debian.org Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 15:40 +0100
        Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-09 18:50 +0100
      Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-09 16:10 +0100
        Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-09 22:10 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-09 23:30 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org grumpy@mailfence.com - 2021-01-09 23:40 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2021-01-10 01:50 +0100
                Re: potus@lists.debian.org Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2021-01-10 09:50 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-10 16:40 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-12 10:40 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org "Rick Thomas" <rick.thomas@pobox.com> - 2021-01-10 10:00 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-10 16:40 +0100
                Re: potus@lists.debian.org Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 23:50 +0100
                  Re: potus@lists.debian.org grumpy@mailfence.com - 2021-01-11 00:20 +0100
                    Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-11 18:10 +0100
                  Re: potus@lists.debian.org Thomas Amm <debili@open-email.net> - 2021-01-12 01:00 +0100
                    Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-12 19:30 +0100
      Re: potus@lists.debian.org Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> - 2021-01-09 18:20 +0100
        Re: potus@lists.debian.org John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2021-01-09 19:10 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2021-01-09 22:00 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2021-01-09 23:20 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 17:10 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> - 2021-01-09 22:00 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-01-10 01:30 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 00:00 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-01-11 00:20 +0100
                Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-01-11 10:40 +0100
                  Re: Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah] Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 16:30 +0100
                    Re: Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah] Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-01-11 17:20 +0100
        Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-09 19:40 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2021-01-09 22:00 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-11 12:30 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-12 11:00 +0100

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#230577 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

On 1/11/21 12:15 AM, grumpy@mailfence.com wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:39 AM mm <maiski@maiski.net> wrote:
>>
>>> totally with you on this.
>>>
>>> but then do smth about the politically motivated techincal discussion
>>> starting with the subject line
>>>
>>
>> I second that motion.
>
> all in favor let go of your momma's teat and raise your hand
>
G(T)rumpy,

keep your sexual frustration to your perfect specimen.

thank you.

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#230582 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

Am Sonntag, dem 10.01.2021 um 16:49 -0600 schrieb Nicholas Geovanis:
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:39 AM mm <maiski@maiski.net> wrote:
> > totally with you on this.
> > 
> > but then do smth about the politically motivated techincal
> > discussion
> > starting with the subject line
> 
> I second that motion.
> 
> 

They're off-topic, annoying and are providing zero information or
useful insight. But at least they're not sending HTML-messages so they
might not be completely lost cases.

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#230606 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

On 1/11/21 11:54 PM, Thomas Amm wrote:
> Am Sonntag, dem 10.01.2021 um 16:49 -0600 schrieb Nicholas Geovanis:
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:39 AM mm <maiski@maiski.net> wrote:
>>> totally with you on this.
>>>
>>> but then do smth about the politically motivated techincal
>>> discussion
>>> starting with the subject line
>> I second that motion.
>>
>>
> They're off-topic, annoying and are providing zero information or
> useful insight. But at least they're not sending HTML-messages so they
> might not be completely lost cases.

He is off-life, annoying and providing zero human, political and frankly
reasonable insight.

But at least he is good at spite-flexing so unfortunately he may be a
completely

lost case.

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#230484 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

Sir,

Are you suggesting that the usenet be re-invented?  :-(

Usenet is a decentralized e-mail based network system of communication
conceived around the time that ARPANET was initiated ('70s) that has no
central administrative body, and thus cannot be suppressed.  Because of this
inherent inability to monetize it, ISPs dropped bundling usenet as part of
their subscriber services about a decade ago, similar to Verizon's dropping
Yahoo Groups December 15, 2020.  You may be familiar with Google Groups that
carries a free usenet feed.

Today, usenet still exists albeit a skeleton of its former incarnation.
There are free News Network Transfer Protocol (NNTP) servers available such
as nntp.aioe.org and  free-usenet.com, and paid servers like
news.giganews.com.  There are free news reading clients such as Thunderbird
and Forte Agent, and the venerable rn for *nix platforms.

So, what you seek has existed for decades, and is still viable as a forum
for free speech as it always has been.  

Here's a clue: https://www.google.com/search?client=none&q=usenet

Best regards,
Larry Dighera




On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 6:27:08 AM PST, Marek Mosiewicz
<marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> wrote: 
>
>In case commercial social networks will not protect freedom of speach [sic]
>there is always option to use mailing lists.
>
>In fact I can imagine Twitter or Facebook as web based mail client
>which aggregates urls for messages publicated on anywhere in Web.
>
>Everbody who observes somebody will receive email with link to message.
>Likes and comments are also mails (the can even be signed).
>
>Webserver which serves given message will receive like and comment
>mails and presnet it. Yo can see source of mail e.g for like AND verify
>that like was realy given by ckecking GPG signature of sender.
>
>
>Cheers,
>  Marek Mosiewicz
>  http://marekmosiewicz.pl
>
>
>

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#230486 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

Larry Dighera writes:
> Today, usenet still exists albeit a skeleton of its former
> incarnation.  There are free News Network Transfer Protocol (NNTP)
> servers available such as nntp.aioe.org and free-usenet.com, and paid
> servers like news.giganews.com.  There are free news reading clients
> such as Thunderbird and Forte Agent, and the venerable rn for *nix
> platforms.

It's also important to understand that NNTP is a peer to peer protocol.
Any group of NNTP servers configured to connect to each other form a
network.  Anyone can run an NNTP server.  While it once required a VAX
with a T1 to act as a Usenet "backbone" site any desktop with broadband
can easily handle it now.

You don't have to "join Usenet", either.  It's simple to set up a
private NNTP network with as many servers as you want.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#230489 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

Larry Dighera writes:
> In the early '80s I ran a usenet HHTP node under Xenix using B News
> (written in shell script).

I ran it on an Onyx (but only as leaf node).
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#230498 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

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I'm not sure this is the proper forum for this thread but it is something I have interest in.

I also ran one of the early usenet nodes.  One of the shames of usenet is that it was quite useful at one point and then it's signal to noise ratio went so far down it was unusable.

Mailing lists such as this one did slowly take over as venues for people to talk about things around a subject but if you were and are always at the subject to the owners of the list.  Get "out of line" and you get ejected from the list.

Finding somehow the balance such that you can have a completely distributed and open system that never gets spammed and only has high quality content is difficult.  I'm not sure it's an insolvable problem but it's not an easy one.

I don't know how many people have noticed this but one of the biggest things that seems to go untalked about isn't crypto, it's IDENTITY.  Anyone can create a gpg key, but knowing that this person is a real person is more difficult.  Knowing that two (or more) different posters are the same individual is even harder.

Have any of you noticed many providers now link your id to a mobile number?  It's under the auspices of better security, 2 factor authentication.  This is true, but it's also the way they attempt to tie you to a real and single person.  Sure you can get around that by having multiple numbers but there is a practical limit to that, most people don't.

The problem with identity is that there's just so many to choose from.  Google has theirs.  Facebook has theirs.  Github theirs.  Almost always tied to your email address (in fact, I can't think of any that are not off the top of my head).  Many of these Identites are tied to your mobile number behind the scene.  Of course you could have more than one number.  What we don't have is an internet standard on identity that is not tied to a single vendor or tied to your email address which might change.  Such things are in the works though.  I have read about iden3 https://iden3.io/ and DIF https://identity.foundation/.  I have seen others as well.

If it's not obvious why a decentralized identity is important, without some identity that you own (as opposed to google or facebook being your identity provider), you are not in control with what happens to information about you.  You should be able to identify yourself without, say, having to give a site your mobile number, your birth certificate, a scan of a government ID...etc.  In my opinion, a decentralized identity is one of the next big things that will happen on the internet.

gpg/pgp and getting someone else to sign your key, or getting an x509 client certificate, these are not really idea solutions, but it's what we have today.  (x509 is really a format and not an identity, but it's not really used as a global identity today, I am not exactly being fair by this comparison).

What does this have to do with the subject of usenet and open forums and even fighting spam?  Franky everything.  Once you have an identity, people can sign posts with their identity and you can be reasonably assured that they are from a real person.  You can be reasonably assured that two different posters are not sock-puppeting one another.  You can be assured of the source of the news.  When only real people can post, you shouldn't have any bots.  IDs that are stolen can be revoked.  All of these things go a long way to making the net more usable, more sane, and yes, more free.

This sort of identity does not mean you can't be anonymous.  Different sites can require different levels of identity.  One site may let you post completely anonymously as long as you have an identity proving you are a real person.  Another site could go further and require you use your real name and be a real person.  So this isn't about being anonymous.

Lastly, we have email which is store and forward messaging really one to one messages and we do mailing lists on top. Email is not owned by any company.  There have been some attempts over the years to create something like distributed chats (instant messages).  But so far, other than usenet, there are very few.  IRC is centralized per server.  The most recent one I have seen which looks really promising is Matrix.  It's completely distributed, not run by a company, similar to email.  It's still young though, it looks promising.  It is not linked to any sort of real identity.  Your matrix id is like an email address but nothing stops you from having multiple matrix IDs.  This is probably a very touchy subject.

These are my opinions.  Your welcome to tell me I'm wrong, feel free to contact me off list.

Michael Grant

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#230573 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 17:18:27 -0500
Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> wrote:

...

> Have any of you noticed many providers now link your id to a mobile
> number?  It's under the auspices of better security, 2 factor
> authentication.  This is true, but it's also the way they attempt to
> tie you to a real and single person.  Sure you can get around that by
> having multiple numbers but there is a practical limit to that, most
> people don't.

This is one of the design decisions of Signal that I'm very
disappointed in. They're working on a different form of id, but they
currently still require a phone number.

Celejar

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#230491 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 12:03:50 -0600, John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

>Anyone can run an NNTP server.  While it once required a VAX
>with a T1 to act as a Usenet "backbone" site any desktop with broadband
>can easily handle it now.


Indeed.  In the early '80s I ran a usenet HHTP node under Xenix using B News
(written in shell script).  ...

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#230505 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

John Hasler wrote: 
> It's also important to understand that NNTP is a peer to peer protocol.
> Any group of NNTP servers configured to connect to each other form a
> network.  Anyone can run an NNTP server.  While it once required a VAX
> with a T1 to act as a Usenet "backbone" site any desktop with broadband
> can easily handle it now.

Indeed, "A VAX with a T1" is actually a reasonable approximation
of what's needed -- that is, 1 MIPS and and a megabit/second of 
bandwidth will do pretty well.

A Raspberry Pi is overkill.

-dsr-

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#230547 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

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On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 6:05 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> John Hasler wrote:
> > It's also important to understand that NNTP is a peer to peer protocol.
> > Any group of NNTP servers configured to connect to each other form a
> > network.  Anyone can run an NNTP server.  While it once required a VAX
> > with a T1 to act as a Usenet "backbone" site any desktop with broadband
> > can easily handle it now.
>
> ....
> A Raspberry Pi is overkill.
>

Then my Arduino Mega is full-on High Performance Computing 😂

-dsr-
>
>

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#230548 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

Nicholas Geovanis wrote: 
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 6:05 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> 
> > John Hasler wrote:
> > > It's also important to understand that NNTP is a peer to peer protocol.
> > > Any group of NNTP servers configured to connect to each other form a
> > > network.  Anyone can run an NNTP server.  While it once required a VAX
> > > with a T1 to act as a Usenet "backbone" site any desktop with broadband
> > > can easily handle it now.
> >
> > ....
> > A Raspberry Pi is overkill.
> >
> 
> Then my Arduino Mega is full-on High Performance Computing ????

By the standards of 1975, it is a minicomputer suitable for
supporting a business with four terminals: accounting, sales,
secretarial, and production.

-dsr-

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#230562 — Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah]

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On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 06:19:28PM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Nicholas Geovanis wrote: 
> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 6:05 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > John Hasler wrote:
> > > > It's also important to understand that NNTP is a peer to peer protocol.
> > > > Any group of NNTP servers configured to connect to each other form a
> > > > network.  Anyone can run an NNTP server.  While it once required a VAX
> > > > with a T1 to act as a Usenet "backbone" site any desktop with broadband
> > > > can easily handle it now.
> > >
> > > ....
> > > A Raspberry Pi is overkill.
> > >
> > 
> > Then my Arduino Mega is full-on High Performance Computing ????
> 
> By the standards of 1975, it is a minicomputer suitable for
> supporting a business with four terminals: accounting, sales,
> secretarial, and production.

To resurrect another paleontological meme (the older among us
will know): "can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?" [1],
[2] (How time passes: ref [2] tells me the joke was already
"pathetic" and "died a long time ago" in... 2005 :-)

(Trying to quench a zombie thread with a zombie meme might lead
to something... interesting, don't you think?)

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_cluster
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Beowulf_cluster#What_Is_Funny_About_.2F._Jokes.3F

 - t

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#230569 — Re: Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah]

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:31 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 06:19:28PM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 6:05 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > John Hasler wrote:
> > > > > It's also important to understand that NNTP is a peer to peer
> protocol.
> > > > > Any group of NNTP servers configured to connect to each other form
> a
> > > > > network.  Anyone can run an NNTP server.  While it once required a
> VAX
> > > > > with a T1 to act as a Usenet "backbone" site any desktop with
> broadband
> > > > > can easily handle it now.
> > > >
> > > > ....
> > > > A Raspberry Pi is overkill.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Then my Arduino Mega is full-on High Performance Computing ????
> >
> > By the standards of 1975, it is a minicomputer suitable for
> > supporting a business with four terminals: accounting, sales,
> > secretarial, and production.
>
> To resurrect another paleontological meme (the older among us
> will know): "can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?" [1],
> [2] (How time passes: ref [2] tells me the joke was already
> "pathetic" and "died a long time ago" in... 2005 :-)
>

Now it must be said :-)
In 1998 I was running usenet's 19th largest NNTP transit point. On a
discarded Pentium with a 100Mbit ethernet card for external comms.
Luckily I could attach it to a full-duplex port on a router, not
half-duplex. Way more effective bandwidth :-D

(Trying to quench a zombie thread with a zombie meme might lead
> to something... interesting, don't you think?)
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_cluster
> [2]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Beowulf_cluster#What_Is_Funny_About_.2F._Jokes.3F
>
>  - t
>

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#230576 — Re: Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah]

Nicholas Geovanis wrote: 
> Now it must be said :-)
> In 1998 I was running usenet's 19th largest NNTP transit point. On a
> discarded Pentium with a 100Mbit ethernet card for external comms.
> Luckily I could attach it to a full-duplex port on a router, not
> half-duplex. Way more effective bandwidth :-D

Was that by... let me think -- Chris Adams at uunet's accounting
of NNTP traffic?

-dsr-

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#230487 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

I mean complete implementation of social network via email.

I'm aware of news groups. What I however mean is full decentralized
implementation of Facebook like social network via email.

Depopopularization of news groups is also because of advent of social
media. Facebook group is simialiar to news group and you give it with
your Facebook account.

I have been thinking of open source social networks like diaspora or
mastodont. What was blocker in my case is that sever node is also part
of account login name. If server is out of service  you need to create
another account on different server from scratch.

Acctually the same is for email provider if you do not have your own
domain for email. But if group of people have DNS domain for email then
you do not need to match server-account pair.

For example I have my own domain and I can switch email provider, so I
could switch provider of social network server.

In fact as URL is not only email aware you could also use for example
phone as identifier of your account and provide resolving of phone
number to social network server.

Sincerely,
   Marek Mosiewicz

W dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o godzinie 16∶13 +0000, użytkownik Larry Dighera
napisał:
> Sir,
> 
> Are you suggesting that the usenet be re-invented?  :-(
> 
> Usenet is a decentralized e-mail based network system of
> communication consieved around the time that ARPANET was initiated
> ('70s) that has no central administrative body, and thus cannot be
> suppressed.  Because of this inherent inability to monetize it, ISPs
> dropped bundling usenet as part of their subscriber services about a
> decade ago, similar to Verizon's dropping Yahoo Groups December 15,
> 2020.  You may be familiar with Google Groups that carries a free
> usenet feed.
> 
> Today, usenet still exists albeit a skeleton of its former
> incarnation.  There are free News Network Transfer Protocol (NNTP)
> servers available such as nntp.aioe.org and  free-usenet.com, and
> paid servers like news.giganews.com.  There are free news reading
> clients such as Thunderbird and Forte Agent, and the venerable rn for
> *nix platforms.
> 
> So, what you seek has existed for decades, and is still viable as a
> forum for free speech as it always has been.  
> 
> Here's a clue: https://www.google.com/search?client=none&q=usenet
> 
> Best regards,
> Larry Dighera
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 6:27:08 AM PST, Marek Mosiewicz
> <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> wrote: 
> 
> In case commercial social networks will not protect freedom of speach
> [sic]
> there is always option to use mailing lists.
> 
> In fact I can imagine Twitter or Facebook as web based mail client
> which aggregates urls for messages publicated on anywhere in Web.
> 
> Everbody who observes somebody will receive email with link to
> message.
> Likes and comments are also mails (the can even be signed).
> 
> Webserver which serves given message will receive like and comment
> mails and presnet it. Yo can see source of mail e.g for like AND
> verify
> that like was realy given by ckecking GPG signature of sender.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Marek Mosiewicz
>   http://marekmosiewicz.pl
> 
> 

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#230490 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

Marek writes:
> For example I have my own domain and I can switch email provider, so I
> could switch provider of social network server.

> In fact as URL is not only email aware you could also use for example
> phone as identifier of your account and provide resolving of phone
> number to social network server.

If you have to have accounts, identifiers, and logins on a central
server it isn't decentralized.

It is perfectly feasible for each participant in your group to have an
nntp peer running.  That's decentralized.  However, it is not necessary
for everyone to run an nntp peer: those who are can permit others remote
access using newsreaders in the usual fashion.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#230563 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

W dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o godzinie 14∶56 -0600, użytkownik John Hasler
napisał:
> Marek writes:
> > For example I have my own domain and I can switch email provider,
> > so I
> > could switch provider of social network server.
> 
> > In fact as URL is not only email aware you could also use for
> > example
> > phone as identifier of your account and provide resolving of phone
> > number to social network server.
DNS is decentralized. And if you have email address in domain you
control you can switch server. That is case for email. 

That can be case for identity. Simplest you can create domain
people.<yourdomain> DNS record to point to identity server of your
choice.

Then you can create there account and authorize with login e.g.
marek.mosiewicz@people.jotel.com.pl  at external server you have not
control (DNS entry will point to external server and identity server
treats login just as string and do not have problem with many domains
logins database)

I believe that Jabber have already option to put record for jabber
server for your domain. 
That could be that to avoid creating special subdomain for identity,
there could be specific record type in dns for identity server.
> 
> If you have to have accounts, identifiers, and logins on a central
> server it isn't decentralized.
> 
> It is perfectly feasible for each participant in your group to have
> an
> nntp peer running.  That's decentralized.  However, it is not
> necessary
> for everyone to run an nntp peer: those who are can permit others
> remote
> access using newsreaders in the usual fashion.

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#230593 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

I just imagined some problem with external identity provider
for own DNS record. That mean application should be sure that
identiy provider is really in duty of providing authorization
for my domain. That is not so easy. Is Secure DNS enough for it ?

Best regards,
    Marek Mosiewicz

W dniu pon, 11.01.2021 o godzinie 12∶21 +0100, użytkownik Marek
Mosiewicz napisał:
> W dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o godzinie 14∶56 -0600, użytkownik John Hasler
> napisał:
> > Marek writes:
> > > For example I have my own domain and I can switch email provider,
> > > so I
> > > could switch provider of social network server.
> > 
> > > In fact as URL is not only email aware you could also use for
> > > example
> > > phone as identifier of your account and provide resolving of
> > > phone
> > > number to social network server.
> DNS is decentralized. And if you have email address in domain you
> control you can switch server. That is case for email. 
> 
> That can be case for identity. Simplest you can create domain
> people.<yourdomain> DNS record to point to identity server of your
> choice.
> 
> Then you can create there account and authorize with login e.g.
> marek.mosiewicz@people.jotel.com.pl  at external server you have not
> control (DNS entry will point to external server and identity server
> treats login just as string and do not have problem with many domains
> logins database)
> 
> I believe that Jabber have already option to put record for jabber
> server for your domain. 
> That could be that to avoid creating special subdomain for identity,
> there could be specific record type in dns for identity server.
> > 
> > If you have to have accounts, identifiers, and logins on a central
> > server it isn't decentralized.
> > 
> > It is perfectly feasible for each participant in your group to have
> > an
> > nntp peer running.  That's decentralized.  However, it is not
> > necessary
> > for everyone to run an nntp peer: those who are can permit others
> > remote
> > access using newsreaders in the usual fashion.
> 
> 

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