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  Why is idle not detected? Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> - 2021-01-06 21:50 +0100
    Re: Why is idle not detected? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 00:30 +0100
      Re: Why is idle not detected? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 07:30 +0100
    Re: Why is idle not detected? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 07:30 +0100
    Re: Why is idle not detected? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-01-09 10:00 +0100
    potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-09 15:30 +0100
      Re: potus@lists.debian.org Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 15:40 +0100
        Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-09 18:50 +0100
      Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-09 16:10 +0100
        Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-09 22:10 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-09 23:30 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org grumpy@mailfence.com - 2021-01-09 23:40 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2021-01-10 01:50 +0100
                Re: potus@lists.debian.org Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2021-01-10 09:50 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-10 16:40 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-12 10:40 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org "Rick Thomas" <rick.thomas@pobox.com> - 2021-01-10 10:00 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-10 16:40 +0100
                Re: potus@lists.debian.org Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 23:50 +0100
                  Re: potus@lists.debian.org grumpy@mailfence.com - 2021-01-11 00:20 +0100
                    Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-11 18:10 +0100
                  Re: potus@lists.debian.org Thomas Amm <debili@open-email.net> - 2021-01-12 01:00 +0100
                    Re: potus@lists.debian.org mm <maiski@maiski.net> - 2021-01-12 19:30 +0100
      Re: potus@lists.debian.org Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> - 2021-01-09 18:20 +0100
        Re: potus@lists.debian.org John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2021-01-09 19:10 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2021-01-09 22:00 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2021-01-09 23:20 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 17:10 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> - 2021-01-09 22:00 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-01-10 01:30 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 00:00 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-01-11 00:20 +0100
                Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-01-11 10:40 +0100
                  Re: Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah] Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 16:30 +0100
                    Re: Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah] Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-01-11 17:20 +0100
        Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-09 19:40 +0100
          Re: potus@lists.debian.org John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2021-01-09 22:00 +0100
            Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-11 12:30 +0100
              Re: potus@lists.debian.org Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2021-01-12 11:00 +0100

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#230394 — Why is idle not detected?

Hi,

I am running Debian 10 and sometimes idle is not detected correctly on my 
(KDE) system and the desktop is not going to suspend.

A typical candidate is a not correctly terminating vlc process which does not 
have a screen anymore but is still alive. Sometimes I cannot find out what 
causes the problem.

Is there a way to find out what is the holding back the idle detection?

I am thinking of something like doing a dry-run of the idle detection by cron 
with a report every few minutes and log the report (without actually 
triggering suspend if idle is detected). Whenever idle is not detected 
properly, the log file would tell the reason.

Any idea or hint is welcome.

Many thanks
Rainer

-- 
Rainer Dorsch
http://bokomoko.de/

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#230456

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 9:47 PM Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am running Debian 10 and sometimes idle is not detected correctly on my
> (KDE) system and the desktop is not going to suspend.
>
> A typical candidate is a not correctly terminating vlc process which does not
> have a screen anymore but is still alive. Sometimes I cannot find out what
> causes the problem.
>
> Is there a way to find out what is the holding back the idle detection?
>
> I am thinking of something like doing a dry-run of the idle detection by cron
> with a report every few minutes and log the report (without actually
> triggering suspend if idle is detected). Whenever idle is not detected
> properly, the log file would tell the reason.
>
> Any idea or hint is welcome.

For me it is ALWAYS vlc, and it has been doing this at random for the
past year or two. No solution other than "killall -KILL vlc" now and
then and especially before leaving for the night. I don't know what
triggers this behaviour, it doesn't always leave stray processes
around.

Maybe some day I'm annoyed enough to file a bug report. This happened
with different GPUs, different monitors, Wayland vs. X11, and I see
this on Gnome in Debian testing.

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#230466

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On Sb, 09 ian 21, 00:25:46, Anders Andersson wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 9:47 PM Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> wrote:
> >
> > I am running Debian 10 and sometimes idle is not detected correctly on my
> > (KDE) system and the desktop is not going to suspend.
> >
> > A typical candidate is a not correctly terminating vlc process which does not
> > have a screen anymore but is still alive. Sometimes I cannot find out what
> > causes the problem.
> 
> For me it is ALWAYS vlc, and it has been doing this at random for the
> past year or two. No solution other than "killall -KILL vlc" now and
> then and especially before leaving for the night. I don't know what
> triggers this behaviour, it doesn't always leave stray processes
> around.
> 
> Maybe some day I'm annoyed enough to file a bug report. This happened
> with different GPUs, different monitors, Wayland vs. X11, and I see
> this on Gnome in Debian testing.
 
Maybe it depends on the file being played?

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#230464

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On Mi, 06 ian 21, 21:46:51, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am running Debian 10 and sometimes idle is not detected correctly on my 
> (KDE) system and the desktop is not going to suspend.
> 
> A typical candidate is a not correctly terminating vlc process which does not 
> have a screen anymore but is still alive. Sometimes I cannot find out what 
> causes the problem.
> 
> Is there a way to find out what is the holding back the idle detection?

Maybe powertop can help with that.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#230468

Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> writes:

> Is there a way to find out what is the holding back the idle detection?

Some years ago I remember I had an indicator in KDE which clearly
indicated the culprit. For me it was usually Chromium back then. I
haven't seen that recently and I have no idea what provided that
info. It seemed like a part of KDE. Maybe it was unreliable and was
removed? Or maybe it never existed. I can't find anything relevant with
Google.

Of course, you might consider replacing VLC, since that seems to cause
your problem.

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#230480 — potus@lists.debian.org

In case commercial social networks will not protect freedom of speach
there is always option to use mailing lists.

In fact I can imagine Twitter or Facebook as web based mail client
which aggregates urls for messages publicated on anywhere in Web.

Everbody who observes somebody will receive email with link to message.
Likes and comments are also mails (the can even be signed).

Webserver which serves given message will receive like and comment
mails and presnet it. Yo can see source of mail e.g for like AND verify
that like was realy given by ckecking GPG signature of sender.


Cheers,
   Marek Mosiewicz
   http://marekmosiewicz.pl

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#230481 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

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Email lists do not protect freedom of speech either. Encrypted email does
not protect freedom of speech either. And there is no technological fix for
failures in societies.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 8:27 AM Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl>
wrote:

> In case commercial social networks will not protect freedom of speach
> there is always option to use mailing lists.
>
> In fact I can imagine Twitter or Facebook as web based mail client
> which aggregates urls for messages publicated on anywhere in Web.
>
> Everbody who observes somebody will receive email with link to message.
> Likes and comments are also mails (the can even be signed).
>
> Webserver which serves given message will receive like and comment
> mails and presnet it. Yo can see source of mail e.g for like AND verify
> that like was realy given by ckecking GPG signature of sender.
>
>
> Cheers,
>    Marek Mosiewicz
>    http://marekmosiewicz.pl
>
>

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#230485 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

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I mean using private key, not to encrypt message, but to sign it. That
is the case for fake
likes and fake accounts.  GPG mutual addresses signing makes it much
more diffcult to 
create fake accounts.

Cheers,
   Marek Mosiewicz

W dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o godzinie 08∶38 -0600, użytkownik Nicholas
Geovanis napisał:
> Email lists do not protect freedom of speech either. Encrypted email
> does not protect freedom of speech either. And there is no
> technological fix for failures in societies.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 8:27 AM Marek Mosiewicz
> <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> wrote:
> > In case commercial social networks will not protect freedom of
> > speach
> > there is always option to use mailing lists.
> > 
> > In fact I can imagine Twitter or Facebook as web based mail client
> > which aggregates urls for messages publicated on anywhere in Web.
> > 
> > Everbody who observes somebody will receive email with link to
> > message.
> > Likes and comments are also mails (the can even be signed).
> > 
> > Webserver which serves given message will receive like and comment
> > mails and presnet it. Yo can see source of mail e.g for like AND
> > verify
> > that like was realy given by ckecking GPG signature of sender.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >    Marek Mosiewicz
> >    http://marekmosiewicz.pl
> > 

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#230483 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

Cheers,

Please get your right wing propaganda elsewhere.

If you deem yourself intelligent you have to revise your understanding
of the words:

1. freedom

2. speech

I for sure will not tolerate this white-washing soup mouth-full BS.


On 1/9/21 12:57 PM, Marek Mosiewicz wrote:
> In case commercial social networks will not protect freedom of speach
> there is always option to use mailing lists.
>
> In fact I can imagine Twitter or Facebook as web based mail client
> which aggregates urls for messages publicated on anywhere in Web.
>
> Everbody who observes somebody will receive email with link to message.
> Likes and comments are also mails (the can even be signed).
>
> Webserver which serves given message will receive like and comment
> mails and presnet it. Yo can see source of mail e.g for like AND verify
> that like was realy given by ckecking GPG signature of sender.
>
>
> Cheers,
>    Marek Mosiewicz
>    http://marekmosiewicz.pl
>

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#230492 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

W dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o godzinie 15∶33 +0100, użytkownik mm napisał:
> Cheers,
> 
> Please get your right wing propaganda elsewhere.
> 
> If you deem yourself intelligent you have to revise your
> understanding
> of the words:
> 
> 1. freedom
> 
> 2. speech
> 
> I for sure will not tolerate this white-washing soup mouth-full BS.

I understand that free speech can be abused, it is however I believe
value which is important in democracy. That is also guaranteed in
United States constitution.

Cheers,
   Marek
> 
> 
> On 1/9/21 12:57 PM, Marek Mosiewicz wrote:
> > In case commercial social networks will not protect freedom of
> > speach
> > there is always option to use mailing lists.
> > 
> > In fact I can imagine Twitter or Facebook as web based mail client
> > which aggregates urls for messages publicated on anywhere in Web.
> > 
> > Everbody who observes somebody will receive email with link to
> > message.
> > Likes and comments are also mails (the can even be signed).
> > 
> > Webserver which serves given message will receive like and comment
> > mails and presnet it. Yo can see source of mail e.g for like AND
> > verify
> > that like was realy given by ckecking GPG signature of sender.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >    Marek Mosiewicz
> >    http://marekmosiewicz.pl
> > 
> 

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#230499 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

On 1/9/21 6:27 PM, Marek Mosiewicz wrote:
> W dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o godzinie 15∶33 +0100, użytkownik mm napisał:
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Please get your right wing propaganda elsewhere.
>>
>> If you deem yourself intelligent you have to revise your
>> understanding
>> of the words:
>>
>> 1. freedom
>>
>> 2. speech
>>
>> I for sure will not tolerate this white-washing soup mouth-full BS.
> I understand that free speech can be abused, it is however I believe
> value which is important in democracy. That is also guaranteed in
> United States constitution.
>
> Cheers,
>    Marek

But, but, of course, of course it is a value which is one of the
cornerstones of a functional democracy.

But the sheer panic and call to action (overdue due btw, which again
points out the fact that you chose this event

to decry something for which many people have fought and continue doing so)

points out that you sympathize with right wing fascists.

To which I, as you may have noticed, strongly react.

Free speech is not abolished by not giving a platform (by a private
company, so please also get your legal understandings in order)

to a hateful fear and violence inducing excuse of a human being

to spread racial division, hatred and sheer and numbing stupidity, which
in return

only amplifies his deranged orange brain to echo his narcissistic
delusional notions of himself and his perceived power

while still holding the nukes. so cheers to that.

and to all the guys that joyfully joined the ride to help poor fascist
have their 'freedom' of 'speech'.

(oh, yeah, right, they have parler or whatever)

and on a more emotionless note: in Germany it is prohibited to
distribute fascist propaganda/goods whatever. Is Germany an
authoritarian state?

I still strongly advice to put your perspective to revision and
retrospective in a truthful and honest manner.



>>
>> On 1/9/21 12:57 PM, Marek Mosiewicz wrote:
>>> In case commercial social networks will not protect freedom of
>>> speach
>>> there is always option to use mailing lists.
>>>
>>> In fact I can imagine Twitter or Facebook as web based mail client
>>> which aggregates urls for messages publicated on anywhere in Web.
>>>
>>> Everbody who observes somebody will receive email with link to
>>> message.
>>> Likes and comments are also mails (the can even be signed).
>>>
>>> Webserver which serves given message will receive like and comment
>>> mails and presnet it. Yo can see source of mail e.g for like AND
>>> verify
>>> that like was realy given by ckecking GPG signature of sender.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>    Marek Mosiewicz
>>>    http://marekmosiewicz.pl
>>>
>

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#230500 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, mm wrote:

>
> On 1/9/21 6:27 PM, Marek Mosiewicz wrote:
>> W?dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o?godzinie 15?33?+0100, u?ytkownik mm napisa?:
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Please get your right wing propaganda elsewhere.
>>>
>>> If you deem yourself intelligent you have to revise your
>>> understanding
>>> of the words:
>>>
>>> 1. freedom
>>>
>>> 2. speech
>>>
>>> I for sure will not tolerate this white-washing soup mouth-full BS.
>> I understand that free speech can be abused, it is however I believe
>> value which is important in democracy. That is also guaranteed in
>> United States constitution.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>    Marek
>
> But, but, of course, of course it is a value which is one of the
> cornerstones of a functional democracy.
>
> But the sheer panic and call to action (overdue due btw, which again
> points out the fact that you chose this event
>
> to decry something for which many people have fought and continue doing so)
>
> points out that you sympathize with right wing fascists.
>
> To which I, as you may have noticed, strongly react.
>
> Free speech is not abolished by not giving a platform (by a private
> company, so please also get your legal understandings in order)
>
> to a hateful fear and violence inducing excuse of a human being
>
> to spread racial division, hatred and sheer and numbing stupidity, which
> in return
>
> only amplifies his deranged orange brain to echo his narcissistic
> delusional notions of himself and his perceived power
>
> while still holding the nukes. so cheers to that.
>
> and to all the guys that joyfully joined the ride to help poor fascist
> have their 'freedom' of 'speech'.
>
> (oh, yeah, right, they have parler or whatever)
>
> and on a more emotionless note: in Germany it is prohibited to
> distribute fascist propaganda/goods whatever. Is Germany an
> authoritarian state?
>
> I still strongly advice to put your perspective to revision and
> retrospective in a truthful and honest manner.

and can i do that in stretch or do i need buster

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#230507 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

On 10/01/2021 11:33, grumpy@mailfence.com wrote:
> and can i do that in stretch or do i need buster

Thanks you so much. This is by far the best contribution to this thread. 
  :-D

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#230519 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

* mm <maiski@maiski.net> [21-01/09=Sa 23:01 +0100]:
>>> still strongly advice to put your perspective to revision
>>> and retrospective in a truthful and honest manner.

* grumpy@mailfence.com <grumpy@mailfence.com> [21-01/09=Sa 16:33 -0600]:
>> and can i do that in stretch or do i need buster

* Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> [21-01/10=Su 13:15 +1300]:
> [...] This is by far the best contribution to this thread.

I totally agree, though this comment was fun too:

* Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> [21-01/09=Sa 19:05 -0500]:
> [...] "A VAX with a T1" is actually a reasonable approximation
> of what's needed [for a Usenet server] -- that is, 1 MIPS
> and and a megabit/second of bandwidth will do pretty well.
>
> A Raspberry Pi is overkill.

-- 
                 Will Mengarini  <seldon@eskimo.com>
@nypost: New research finds Jupiter is flinging asteroids at Earth.
@ChuckWendig: Honestly, do you blame it?
    -- teh Internet

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#230531 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

bust it dude


On 1/9/21 11:33 PM, grumpy@mailfence.com wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, mm wrote:
>
>>
>> On 1/9/21 6:27 PM, Marek Mosiewicz wrote:
>>> W?dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o?godzinie 15?33?+0100, u?ytkownik mm napisa?:
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Please get your right wing propaganda elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> If you deem yourself intelligent you have to revise your
>>>> understanding
>>>> of the words:
>>>>
>>>> 1. freedom
>>>>
>>>> 2. speech
>>>>
>>>> I for sure will not tolerate this white-washing soup mouth-full BS.
>>> I understand that free speech can be abused, it is however I believe
>>> value which is important in democracy. That is also guaranteed in
>>> United States constitution.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>    Marek
>>
>> But, but, of course, of course it is a value which is one of the
>> cornerstones of a functional democracy.
>>
>> But the sheer panic and call to action (overdue due btw, which again
>> points out the fact that you chose this event
>>
>> to decry something for which many people have fought and continue
>> doing so)
>>
>> points out that you sympathize with right wing fascists.
>>
>> To which I, as you may have noticed, strongly react.
>>
>> Free speech is not abolished by not giving a platform (by a private
>> company, so please also get your legal understandings in order)
>>
>> to a hateful fear and violence inducing excuse of a human being
>>
>> to spread racial division, hatred and sheer and numbing stupidity, which
>> in return
>>
>> only amplifies his deranged orange brain to echo his narcissistic
>> delusional notions of himself and his perceived power
>>
>> while still holding the nukes. so cheers to that.
>>
>> and to all the guys that joyfully joined the ride to help poor fascist
>> have their 'freedom' of 'speech'.
>>
>> (oh, yeah, right, they have parler or whatever)
>>
>> and on a more emotionless note: in Germany it is prohibited to
>> distribute fascist propaganda/goods whatever. Is Germany an
>> authoritarian state?
>>
>> I still strongly advice to put your perspective to revision and
>> retrospective in a truthful and honest manner.
>
> and can i do that in stretch or do i need buster
>

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#230592 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

W dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o godzinie 16∶33 -0600, użytkownik
grumpy@mailfence.com napisał:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, mm wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On 1/9/21 6:27 PM, Marek Mosiewicz wrote:
> > > W?dniu sob, 09.01.2021 o?godzinie 15?33?+0100, u?ytkownik mm
> > > napisa?:
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > 
> > > > Please get your right wing propaganda elsewhere.
> > > > 
> > > > If you deem yourself intelligent you have to revise your
> > > > understanding
> > > > of the words:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. freedom
> > > > 
> > > > 2. speech
> > > > 
> > > > I for sure will not tolerate this white-washing soup mouth-full
> > > > BS.
> > > I understand that free speech can be abused, it is however I
> > > believe
> > > value which is important in democracy. That is also guaranteed in
> > > United States constitution.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > >    Marek
> > 
> > But, but, of course, of course it is a value which is one of the
> > cornerstones of a functional democracy.
> > 
> > But the sheer panic and call to action (overdue due btw, which
> > again
> > points out the fact that you chose this event
> > 
> > to decry something for which many people have fought and continue
> > doing so)
> > 
> > points out that you sympathize with right wing fascists.
> > 
> > To which I, as you may have noticed, strongly react.
> > 
> > Free speech is not abolished by not giving a platform (by a private
> > company, so please also get your legal understandings in order)
> > 
> > to a hateful fear and violence inducing excuse of a human being
> > 
> > to spread racial division, hatred and sheer and numbing stupidity,
> > which
> > in return
> > 
> > only amplifies his deranged orange brain to echo his narcissistic
> > delusional notions of himself and his perceived power
> > 
> > while still holding the nukes. so cheers to that.
> > 
> > and to all the guys that joyfully joined the ride to help poor
> > fascist
> > have their 'freedom' of 'speech'.
> > 
> > (oh, yeah, right, they have parler or whatever)
> > 
> > and on a more emotionless note: in Germany it is prohibited to
> > distribute fascist propaganda/goods whatever. Is Germany an
> > authoritarian state?
> > 
> > I still strongly advice to put your perspective to revision and
> > retrospective in a truthful and honest manner.
> 
> and can i do that in stretch or do i need buster
> 
Yo can do that in strech. You just need to write it.

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#230520 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

This is not the place for a political discussion.  Please confine your comments to debian technical questions.

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#230530 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

totally with you on this.

but then do smth about the politically motivated techincal discussion
starting with the subject line

On 1/10/21 9:39 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> This is not the place for a political discussion.  Please confine your comments to debian technical questions.
>

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#230546 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

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On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:39 AM mm <maiski@maiski.net> wrote:

> totally with you on this.
>
> but then do smth about the politically motivated techincal discussion
> starting with the subject line
>

I second that motion.

On 1/10/21 9:39 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > This is not the place for a political discussion.  Please confine your
> comments to debian technical questions.
> >
>
>

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#230549 — Re: potus@lists.debian.org

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:39 AM mm <maiski@maiski.net> wrote:
>
>> totally with you on this.
>>
>> but then do smth about the politically motivated techincal discussion
>> starting with the subject line
>>
>
> I second that motion.

all in favor let go of your momma's teat and raise your hand

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