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  Re: NTFS partitions can't be mounted Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2020-11-26 08:20 +0100
    Re: NTFS partitions can't be mounted <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-11-26 10:00 +0100
    Re: NTFS partitions can't be mounted Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-11-26 10:50 +0100

#229100 — Re: NTFS partitions can't be mounted

On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 22:30:02 +0100 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

 > On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 22:11:47 +0100 <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
 >
 >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 03:47:12PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
 >>
 >>>> Microsoft changes the system required to kill the fast-boot every
 >>>> so often, almost surely to make it difficult for users of Linux
 >>>> to access Windows from the Linux system.
 >>>
 >>> That seems highly unlikely: it's a tiny number of users, and not
 >>> only they're not a threat but annoying them won't bring any benefit
 >>> to MS.
 >>
 >> This is a pattern which I like to call "emergent evil". Most likely
 >> nobody does it on purpose, yet it happens often enough to annoy
 >> competing ecosystems. Magic!
 >
 > NTFS has been NTFS since the 90s, while Linux has had ext2, ext3,
 > ext4, Reiser among other filesystems. Is it not likely that 'NTFS'
 > has really been a similar parade of different filesystems with each
 > version of Windows retaining the code to read previous versions?
 > Occam's Razor?

In situations like this, I think not of Occam's, but of Hanlon's Razor:

     Never attribute to malice that which can
     be adequately explained by stupidity.

At this point, though, a little voice in the back of my mind says,
"But Microsoft isn't stupid!"

This isn't just paranoia, nor is it the first time.  For instance,
when Samba was first developed to allow non-Windows machines to
access Windows file shares, Microsoft changed their software to
deliberately send an invalid command.  If the error message returned
wasn't worded exactly the way they expected, they would refuse to
work.  Thanks to the open source community, a Samba patch was issued
within a few days so that it would spoof the expected response.

-- 
cgibbs@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)

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On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 09:56:06PM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 22:30:02 +0100 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

[...]

> >> This is a pattern which I like to call "emergent evil". Most likely
> >> nobody does it on purpose, yet it happens often enough to annoy
> >> competing ecosystems. Magic!
> >
> > NTFS has been NTFS since the 90s, while Linux has had ext2, ext3,
> > ext4, Reiser among other filesystems. Is it not likely that 'NTFS'
> > has really been a similar parade of different filesystems with each
> > version of Windows retaining the code to read previous versions?
> > Occam's Razor?
> 
> In situations like this, I think not of Occam's, but of Hanlon's Razor:

It is likely that the OP was really thinking Occam's razor, not Hanlon's.

>     Never attribute to malice that which can
>     be adequately explained by stupidity.
> 
> At this point, though, a little voice in the back of my mind says,
> "But Microsoft isn't stupid!"

For those cases I have "Bertie's Bastard", which is a cross-over of
Hanlon's Razor and Clarke's Third Law:

  "Any sufficiently advanced malice is indistiguishable
   from stupidity"

Profuse apologies to Robert J. Hanlon and sublime Arthur C. Clarke.

Cheers
 - t

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On Mi, 25 nov 20, 21:56:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
> In situations like this, I think not of Occam's, but of Hanlon's Razor:
> 
>     Never attribute to malice that which can
>     be adequately explained by stupidity.

+1

> At this point, though, a little voice in the back of my mind says,
> "But Microsoft isn't stupid!"

In my experience big organisations[1] are so good at working against 
their own interests it's really difficult to label them anything but 
stupid.

[1] above 1000 employees or so

Kind regards,
Andrei
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