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Re: NTFS partitions can't be mounted

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First post2020-11-26 10:10 +0100
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  Re: NTFS partitions can't be mounted Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-11-26 10:10 +0100
    Re: NTFS partitions can't be mounted <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-11-26 10:40 +0100

#229105 — Re: NTFS partitions can't be mounted

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2020-11-26 10:10 +0100
SubjectRe: NTFS partitions can't be mounted
Message-ID<BflrQ-2Tg-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 01:29:13 +0000
Kanito 73 <kanito73@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I hate Windoze as an operating system but some programs and games are
> cool... And there is a fact: THE ONE WHO HITS FIRST, HITS TWICE
> (translated from spanish). Bill Gates was pioneer of the graphical
> environments (when computers had simple text terminals) and further
> graphical operating systems. 

Actually he didn't. Microsoft was contracted to write software for the
Apple Mac (Office), and learned enough about writing for windowing
environments to make its own one (badly).

The Lisa was Apple's first computer with a graphical desktop, and Apple
had got many of the ideas from Xerox. The Lisa appeared in 1983, and the
first (unusable) version of Windows arrived in the mid-80s. It wasn't
until Windows 3 (1990) that it became practical, with 3.1 becoming
widely used, and even then it was just an application run under DOS.
Windows 95 was the first version to behave pretty much like today's
version (though more limited, a full installation was about 25MB, as
opposed to about 80GB today. Is it really 3000 times better now?).

What Microsoft did that was different was to licence its operating
system for use on other manufacturers' computers, which started with
writing DOS for the IBM PC. Apple insisted on building its own hardware,
and Acorn in the UK followed this business model.

-- 
Joe

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From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-11-26 10:40 +0100
Message-ID<BflUS-32R-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 09:06:49AM +0000, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 01:29:13 +0000
> Kanito 73 <kanito73@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I hate Windoze as an operating system but some programs and games are
> > cool... [...]

> > environments (when computers had simple text terminals) and further
> > graphical operating systems. 
> 
> Actually he didn't. Microsoft was contracted to write software for the
> Apple Mac (Office), and learned enough about writing for windowing
> environments to make its own one (badly).
> 
> The Lisa was Apple's first computer with a graphical desktop, and Apple
> had got many of the ideas from Xerox [...]

Exactly. They "stole" from a "thief" [1]. The first credible "cluster"
forming around GUIs (concepts, programming languages, software and
hardware) was Xerox PARC [2]. Other things we take for granted these
days (laser printers and Ethernet) were incubated there.

A testament on what human creativity is capable of if you fund it
well and keep management at bay.

Cheers

[1] The scare quotes are there because I don't believe in such a thing
   as "intellectual property". Sure, author's rights make sense, and
   correct attribution, but woning an idea as I might own a pair of
   shoes seems monstrously ridiculous to me.

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_PARC

 - t

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