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  WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-21 23:30 +0100
    Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-22 00:10 +0100
      Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 01:20 +0100
        Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 12:10 +0100
          Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 20:00 +0100
            Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-22 21:00 +0100
              Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 21:50 +0100
                Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-22 22:00 +0100
                  Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-22 23:40 +0100
                    Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-23 00:00 +0100
                      Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-23 02:00 +0100
                Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-23 00:00 +0100
                  Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-23 00:10 +0100
              Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 23:20 +0100
                Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-23 00:00 +0100
                  Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-23 01:30 +0100
                    Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-03-23 02:20 +0100
                      Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-23 02:30 +0100
                    Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-23 11:10 +0100
                      Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-23 12:00 +0100
                        Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-24 23:00 +0100
                          Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-25 05:00 +0100
                            Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-25 05:30 +0100
                              Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-25 17:10 +0100
                                Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-25 20:20 +0100
                                Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-25 22:40 +0100
                                  Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-26 00:10 +0100
                                    Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-26 01:30 +0100
                            Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-25 20:10 +0100
                              Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-25 20:30 +0100
            Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-22 21:50 +0100
              Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 22:00 +0100
    Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-22 01:50 +0100
    Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Robbi Nespu <robbinespu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 02:30 +0100
      Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 02:50 +0100
        Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-22 15:50 +0100
          Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-22 17:10 +0100
    Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-22 02:50 +0100

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#233290 — WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install

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Hello,

Later this week, I will be helping a friend install Debian onto a Lenovo
Ideapad Laptop.  This will be in a Public Space with, only WiFi available.

Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via a
"lspci" command:

> Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE 802.11b/g/n
PCIe Adapter

So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using,
first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster
10.3 NetInst CD.

In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried
Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install).  it gets to the step, to find,
and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for the
purposes of my test, has no Cable attached.  So, obviously, the Network
Configuration fails!

I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the
/firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step,
where it is asking for it.

Any Insights?

Thanks in advance!

Kenneth Parker

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#233292

On Sun 21 Mar 2021 at 18:27:22 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:

[...]

> In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried
> Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install).  it gets to the step, to find,
> and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for the
> purposes of my test, has no Cable attached.  So, obviously, the Network
> Configuration fails!
> 
> I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the
> /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step,
> where it is asking for it.
> 
> Any Insights?

Try an official unofficial image linked at

  https://www.debian.org/distrib/

-- 
Brian.

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On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun 21 Mar 2021 at 18:27:22 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried
> > Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install).  it gets to the step, to find,
> > and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for
> the
> > purposes of my test, has no Cable attached.  So, obviously, the Network
> > Configuration fails!
> >
> > I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the
> > /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step,
> > where it is asking for it.
> >
> > Any Insights?
>
> Try an official unofficial image linked at
>
>   https://www.debian.org/distrib/


No good.  I downloaded "Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-alpha3 "Bullseye" -
Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20201203-12:50"
(Above was the description in the Expert Text Install).

One note:  It took about a minute on the "Detect Network Hardware" step,
before continuing, and only finding Ethernet.

So what is special about the RTL8723DE WiFi Adapter?  (After Installation,
I can find it, and the Realtek Firmware works).

Thanks in advance,

Kenneth Parker

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On Du, 21 mar 21, 20:17:32, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> No good.  I downloaded "Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-alpha3 "Bullseye" -
> Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20201203-12:50"
> (Above was the description in the Expert Text Install).
 
Try a more recent weekly image, it should have a slightly newer kernel.

> One note:  It took about a minute on the "Detect Network Hardware" step,
> before continuing, and only finding Ethernet.
> 
> So what is special about the RTL8723DE WiFi Adapter?  (After Installation,
> I can find it, and the Realtek Firmware works).

Maybe it triggers a bug in the D-I and/or kernel in the images you tried 
so far.

If the latest weekly shows the same symptoms I'd suggest you file a bug 
against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately after 
completing the installation.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 7:06 AM Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Du, 21 mar 21, 20:17:32, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > No good.  I downloaded "Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-alpha3 "Bullseye" -
> > Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20201203-12:50"
> > (Above was the description in the Expert Text Install).
>
> Try a more recent weekly image, it should have a slightly newer kernel.
>

Done.  Debian "Bullseye" Official Snapshot amd64 Netinst 20210315-93:04


> > One note:  It took about a minute on the "Detect Network Hardware" step,
> > before continuing, and only finding Ethernet.
>

Same behavior.

> So what is special about the RTL8723DE WiFi Adapter?  (After Installation,
> > I can find it, and the Realtek Firmware works).
>

Note:  This is an "Over-Simplification"  of Agonizing Work, to get to where
I was.  For example, "lspci" is what gives me the Adapter Information.  The
first place where I got this Adapter to work was Mint 20.  However, in
preparation for helping my friend, I got Firmware and Drivers, using only a
Bullseye KDE System, via the Non-Free routes.

Maybe it triggers a bug in the D-I and/or kernel in the images you tried
> so far.
>

I concur, based on my latest Install attempt.  And, by the way, using only
the Minimal Sid system, "ip a" gives no info AT ALL about the WiFi Adapter.

If the latest weekly shows the same symptoms...


It does...


> ...I'd suggest you file a bug
> against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately after
> completing the installation.
>

That's next on my list.

Kind regards,
> Andrei
>

Many thanks!

Kenneth Parker

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#233332

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400
Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:

> > ...I'd suggest you file a bug
> > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately
> > after completing the installation.
> >  
> 
> That's next on my list.

Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be
able to provide more data.

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On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley <
charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400
> Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug
> > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately
> > > after completing the installation.
> > >
> >
> > That's next on my list.
>
> Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be
> able to provide more data.
>

I am still mucking around, trying to get WiFi working.

I guess that I should put in a "narrow" Bug Report, about netinst not
finding RTL8723DE and then go back to my attempts to get WiFi working.

My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the pieces,
needed for WiFi.  For example, I can't find wpasupplicant.

My latest test, for the purpose of the Bug Report is the "standard"
netinst.  Is it correct, that it should be missing prerequisites for WiFi?
I didn't try (yet) mounting the CD, to look for missing .deb files. (Just
thought of it now).

Thanks, Charles.

Kenneth Parker

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#233341

On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 16:44:12 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley <
> charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400
> > Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug
> > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately
> > > > after completing the installation.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's next on my list.
> >
> > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be
> > able to provide more data.
> >
> 
> I am still mucking around, trying to get WiFi working.
> 
> I guess that I should put in a "narrow" Bug Report, about netinst not
> finding RTL8723DE and then go back to my attempts to get WiFi working.

My netinst (bullseye) knows about rtw88_8723de. modinfo tells me.

> My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the pieces,
> needed for WiFi.  For example, I can't find wpasupplicant.

Tangential.

-- 
Brian.

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#233346

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:59:33 +0000
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> > My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the
> > pieces, needed for WiFi.  For example, I can't find wpasupplicant.  
> 
> Tangential.

I'm not so sure that's a tangent, as d-i appears to use wpasupplicant to
set up connections.

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#233351

On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 16:33:03 -0600, Charles Curley wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:59:33 +0000
> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the
> > > pieces, needed for WiFi.  For example, I can't find wpasupplicant.  
> > 
> > Tangential.
> 
> I'm not so sure that's a tangent, as d-i appears to use wpasupplicant to
> set up connections.

How can it set up a connection if there isn't an interface to connect
to?

-- 
Brian.

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#233357

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:51:18 +0000
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> > I'm not so sure that's a tangent, as d-i appears to use
> > wpasupplicant to set up connections.  
> 
> How can it set up a connection if there isn't an interface to connect
> to?

Because I'm not sure that's what's happening.

What I see (using the firmware unofficial d-i) is that the appropriate
driver is loaded, the appropriate firmware is loaded, and wpasupplicant
is loaded and running. But when it comes to running netcfg, netcfg
cannot connect to wpasupplicant.

If something else is going on in the OP's setup, he would need
wpasupplicant once he solved that problem.

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#233347

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:44:12 -0400
Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:

> My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the
> pieces, needed for WiFi.  For example, I can't find wpasupplicant.

*You* can't find wpasupplicant, or the debian installer (d-i) can't
find wpasupplicant? My logs indicate that it is present, that d-i
installs it, but that netcfg can't find it when it needs it.

> 
> My latest test, for the purpose of the Bug Report is the "standard"
> netinst.  Is it correct, that it should be missing prerequisites for
> WiFi? I didn't try (yet) mounting the CD, to look for missing .deb
> files. (Just thought of it now).

The "standard" approved, official, rubber stamped and delivered in a
official dispatch box has no firmware binary blobs on it. The
unofficial version indeed has the firmware blobs on it (unless the one
you need is too new to have made it in), and the code to detect the
need and apply it.

I am using the unofficial, with firmware version,
firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso, dated Mar 14 23:28. On my
problematic hardware (an ancient 686 IBM R51), the firmware I need is
present and gets installed properly. But I still do not get a
connection.



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On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 6:52 PM Charles Curley <
charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:44:12 -0400
> Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the
> > pieces, needed for WiFi.  For example, I can't find wpasupplicant.
>
> *You* can't find wpasupplicant, or the debian installer (d-i) can't
> find wpasupplicant? My logs indicate that it is present, that d-i
> installs it, but that netcfg can't find it when it needs it.
>

Actually, there were User Errors included here.  I couldn't find the
packages I needed to bring up WiFi, after manual installation of Firmware.

The User Error was my failure to look in the packages available but not
installed, on the netinst CD itself. One obvious way to proceed is to
ensure that the netinst CD is still in the Apt Sources file.




> >
> > My latest test, for the purpose of the Bug Report is the "standard"
> > netinst.  Is it correct, that it should be missing prerequisites for
> > WiFi? I didn't try (yet) mounting the CD, to look for missing .deb
> > files. (Just thought of it now).
>
> The "standard" approved, official, rubber stamped and delivered in a
> official dispatch box has no firmware binary blobs on it. The
> unofficial version indeed has the firmware blobs on it (unless the one
> you need is too new to have made it in), and the code to detect the
> need and apply it.
>
> I am using the unofficial, with firmware version,
> firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso, dated Mar 14 23:28. On my
> problematic hardware (an ancient 686 IBM R51), the firmware I need is
> present and gets installed properly. But I still do not get a
> connection.
>

I believe that we are in the same boat, right now.

Thanks for the help and support, Charles.

Kenneth Parker

>
>

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On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley <
charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400
> Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug
> > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately
> > > after completing the installation.
> > >
> >
> > That's next on my list.
>
> Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be
> able to provide more data.
>

Submitted.  Bug#985755.

As reportbug figured out, this was submitted in Novice Mode.

Kenneth Parker

>
>

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#233348

On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 18:12:08 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley <
> charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400
> > Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug
> > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately
> > > > after completing the installation.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's next on my list.
> >
> > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be
> > able to provide more data.
> >
> 
> Submitted.  Bug#985755.
> 
> As reportbug figured out, this was submitted in Novice Mode.

Pretty useless as it stands. It basically says - something doesn't
work. No mention of this thread; no mention of whether a kernel module
was loaded; no mention of firmware.

But maybe someone will put the time in to investigate.

-- 
Brian.

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On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 6:58 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 18:12:08 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley <
> > charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400
> > > Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug
> > > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately
> > > > > after completing the installation.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's next on my list.
> > >
> > > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be
> > > able to provide more data.
> > >
> >
> > Submitted.  Bug#985755.
> >
> > As reportbug figured out, this was submitted in Novice Mode.
>
> Pretty useless as it stands. It basically says - something doesn't
> work. No mention of this thread; no mention of whether a kernel module
> was loaded; no mention of firmware.
>

I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem".

The Bug Report looks like a "temporary email list".  Is that true? Can I
"submit updates"?

>
> But maybe someone will put the time in to investigate.


> --
> Brian.
>

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker

>
>

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#233358

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:26:47PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem".
> 
> The Bug Report looks like a "temporary email list".  Is that true? Can I
> "submit updates"?

Yes, you can reply to the bug to add information to the bug report.
Anyone can.

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Thanks.  I submitted "how to Recreate".  Text file of submission is in
another reply.

Kenneth Parker

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 9:11 PM Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:26:47PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem".
> >
> > The Bug Report looks like a "temporary email list".  Is that true? Can I
> > "submit updates"?
>
> Yes, you can reply to the bug to add information to the bug report.
> Anyone can.
>
>

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#233373

On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 20:26:47 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:

> I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem"

Indeed. I should not have offered the advice in that manner
and tone. Aplologies.

-- 
Brian.

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On Tue, Mar 23, 2021, 6:03 AM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 20:26:47 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
>
> > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem"
>
> Indeed. I should not have offered the advice in that manner
> and tone. Aplologies.
>

Absolutely accepted.  No problem.

>
> --
> Brian.
>

Kenneth Parker

>

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