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  Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core  2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 04:40 +0100
    Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 05:00 +0100
      Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 12:30 +0100
        Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? James Allsopp <jamesaallsopp@googlemail.com> - 2021-03-10 12:40 +0100
        Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? James Allsopp <jamesaallsopp@googlemail.com> - 2021-03-10 12:40 +0100
          Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 12:50 +0100
        Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 13:20 +0100
          Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 13:50 +0100
    Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 08:20 +0100
      Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-10 08:30 +0100
        Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 12:40 +0100
      Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 12:30 +0100
        Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-03-10 12:50 +0100
        Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-11 02:30 +0100
          Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 02:50 +0100
    Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-03-10 13:00 +0100
      Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 14:00 +0100
        Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 15:30 +0100
          Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 19:20 +0100
        Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-03-10 16:00 +0100
          Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 19:30 +0100
            Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-03-10 20:30 +0100
              Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 20:50 +0100
                Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2021-03-10 21:20 +0100
                  Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 22:00 +0100
                    Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 22:20 +0100
              Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-11 14:20 +0100
    Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2021-03-10 15:50 +0100
      Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel  Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz? Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 19:30 +0100

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#232720 — Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

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> I recommend to use "testing" (currently Bullseye) on an individual
Laptop/Desktop Computer, and leave "stable" for server or cooperate end
user installations. Usually "testing" is very stable concerning reliability
for the every day interactive work and during the frequent upgrades (which
you should frequently apply).
>
> "stable" is so stable, that it already when published is not being
perfectly up to date anymore with the newest software versions available.
But for sure the provided software releases are so long time tested that no
mayor bugs are expected to hit you under usual circumstances.
> Where you cannot risk the work load to maybe having to react on
complaining users, or your running system simply does not need much
modernization because it is doing its job and then better don't touch it
unless a security update would need to be applied, then "stable" is
excellent.
>
> If a user is willing to step by step face the changes of a system
following current software releases, then "testing" is offering this to
you. The all over experience of the users with "testing is, that it rarely
breaks. Actually I never experienced this. It simply runs. It is not long
time tested as "stable" because everything is always in the "testing"
period for the next "stable", but "testing" does not mean "unstable". The
comfort of having modern software releases available instead of feeling
parked for years on unchanged apps is often worth the risk to maybe run
into a bug found in a new release. In my experiences, these bugs then are
usually not mission critical and users can most often afford to wait that
the bug gets solved by a soon delivered next release of the software, which
you can expect to soon also arrive in the "testing" distribution of Debian.
>
> So, Debian "stable" is for mission critical apps and services, therefore
not offering short time only tested, newest software. Debian "testing"
brings the comfort of much more up-to-date software to the screen and is
commonly stable enough for the continuous, interactive desktop usage.
>
>
>
> > Apparently, only the newer versions of KDE Plasma have the performance
> > boost.
>
> I cannot confirm this. KDE Plasma is high performant and low on memory
usage for years already. This was different in the far past. Consider that
the internet does not forget and still shows you complains from the past
although they might not apply to the current situation anymore. Also,
enthusiast of other graphical desktop environments sometimes still publish
such obsolete information, maybe because they years ago became full
satisfied with their desktop of choice and since then did not notice the
changes around anymore and are now no more well informed?
> Having had the urgent need for a more modern but also low footprint
desktop to subtitute Window Maker, I years ago did not consider KDE as my
candidate, because of information from highly ranked links in the web
search engines. I ended up testing Xfce, Openbox and LXDE. And I tested
LXQt, which was still in experimental state that time - and found that the
window manager in use by LXQt could be exchanged for various available
candidates. Noticing that kwin performed excellent in LXQt I wondered why
KDE was reported to be sluggish and heavy on resources, if its component
kwin was performing so excellently in LXQt. I gave KDE Plasma a try and
found to have been blinded by obsolete reports still popping up high ranked
in the web search engines. KDE Plasma was that time already a very nice
choice for old machines, and nowadays it continuous to do so. KDE Plasma
resource requirements compete very well with other "small footprint"
desktop environments. In the end you might ask why I then decided for KDE
over LXQt with kwin. Well it is because I much like the administration of
keyboard shortcuts in KDE Plasma, and I much like Kate and Konsole, and
also Dolphin and Krunner are very competitive, and baloo is quite helpful
once the initial indexing is achieved. All this comes with KDE Plasma kind
of out of the box - and perfectly competitive where only small hardware
resources are available.
>
> Best wishes, Marco.
>

Very impressive that you can even compare KDE Plasma to LXQt.

I don't think there is a Debian DVD iso I can use to install Debian
Bullseye.
I think I'll have to install Buster and then switch to Bullseye.
Is there a better option?

Thank you and thanks everyone for all your help.

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#232725 — Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

On 10.03.21 19:28, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote:
(...)
> I don't think there is a Debian DVD iso I can use to install Debian 
> Bullseye.
> I think I'll have to install Buster and then switch to Bullseye.
> Is there a better option?

To my knowledge, there is a Bulleye installer available here:
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
It is still a test version, but you have good chances that it will work 
just fine. As described before, "testing" in Debian does not mean 
"unstable". With some bad luck for you, you might find a bug in it. If 
you could then report it, then luck for the Debian community because 
someone found it and it can be corrected for pushing the installer a 
step forward to soon become "stable".

Well, not the best answer for being on the Debian mailing list, but if 
you are entirely new to Debian or even Linux then it could be a good 
option to start with the distribution Sparky Linux (there is a KDE 
Edition available) for getting up and running and obtaining insides into 
many available options and learning about the usage of the apt package 
manager and other tools. Sparky Linux is not Debian, because it has some 
fine extras for making it much easier accessible to new Linux users. But 
there is so much Debian under the hood, which is configured so close to 
the original Debian, that I recommend it for entirely new Linux users. 
It is the Debian derivative being closest to Debian of all Debian 
derivatives I would know of. It comes with easy options to install 
almost any desktop environment around. Use it for testing and getting up 
and running, and you are of course free to return to Debian after you 
already have a clear idea of what is good for you and your hardware.
In the sense of the Debian community I advice that in Sparky Linux 
offered software is not all following the Debian software license policy 
concerning GNU/Linux and Open Source, because it also provides out of 
the box access to third party software installations which wouldn't have 
place in Debian.

Good Luck!
Marco.

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#232728 — Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

> To my knowledge, there is a Bulleye installer available here:
> https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
> It is still a test version, but you have good chances that it will work
> just fine. As described before, "testing" in Debian does not mean
> "unstable". With some bad luck for you, you might find a bug in it. If
> you could then report it, then luck for the Debian community because
> someone found it and it can be corrected for pushing the installer a
> step forward to soon become "stable".
>
> Well, not the best answer for being on the Debian mailing list, but if
> you are entirely new to Debian or even Linux then it could be a good
> option to start with the distribution Sparky Linux (there is a KDE
> Edition available) for getting up and running and obtaining insides into
> many available options and learning about the usage of the apt package
> manager and other tools. Sparky Linux is not Debian, because it has some
> fine extras for making it much easier accessible to new Linux users. But
> there is so much Debian under the hood, which is configured so close to
> the original Debian, that I recommend it for entirely new Linux users.
> It is the Debian derivative being closest to Debian of all Debian
> derivatives I would know of. It comes with easy options to install
> almost any desktop environment around. Use it for testing and getting up
> and running, and you are of course free to return to Debian after you
> already have a clear idea of what is good for you and your hardware.
> In the sense of the Debian community I advice that in Sparky Linux
> offered software is not all following the Debian software license policy
> concerning GNU/Linux and Open Source, because it also provides out of
> the box access to third party software installations which wouldn't have
> place in Debian.
>
> Good Luck!
> Marco.

Thanks.  I think I would rather prefer non-free software as a second option.

Since I'm new to this, I would prefer to go the safe way: first Debian
10, then testing.

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:42 PM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Thanks.  I think I would rather prefer non-free software as a second
> option.
>
> Since I'm new to this, I would prefer to go the safe way: first Debian
> 10, then testing.
>
>
Be aware that although testing has less churn than unstable, that also
means that when a bug does creep through, it may take a week or two to see
the next release of the software, whereas unstable might see the fix come
in later that same day.

It's a trade-off.


-- 
Kent West                    <")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

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> Be aware that although testing has less churn than unstable, that also
means that when a bug does creep through, it may take a week or two to see
the next release of the software, whereas unstable might see the fix come
in later that same day.
>
> It's a trade-off.

Sorry, I wasn't clear: first Buster then Bullseye. That way I will stay on
Bullseye
when it becomes "stable". I think it will happen soon, won't it?

Anyway, thanks for your remark.

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On Mi, 10 mar 21, 16:55:39, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I wasn't clear: first Buster then Bullseye. That way I will stay on
> Bullseye
> when it becomes "stable". I think it will happen soon, won't it?

It's a few months away, which in Debian's timeline is indeed soon ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#232811 — Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

Marco Möller wrote:
> On 10.03.21 19:28, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote:
> (...)
>> I don't think there is a Debian DVD iso I can use to install Debian 
>> Bullseye.
>> I think I'll have to install Buster and then switch to Bullseye.
>> Is there a better option?
>
> To my knowledge, there is a Bulleye installer available here:
> https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
> It is still a test version, but you have good chances that it will work 
> just fine. As described before, "testing" in Debian does not mean 
> "unstable". With some bad luck for you, you might find a bug in it. If 
> you could then report it, then luck for the Debian community because 
> someone found it and it can be corrected for pushing the installer a 
> step forward to soon become "stable".

  for the record, the daily images worked fine for me the other
day as i wanted to be sure the recent daily netinst image
would boot and get as far as partitioning on this new motherboard.
all that went ok.  i did not actually do any further installation
with it though because i have to do some resizing and moving of
partitions to set up a free spot to do a new install and i'm not
sure i really want to do that yet.  mainly i just wanted to make
sure i had a recent rescue image that would boot just in case my
future poking at UEFI things on this machine turns it into non-
functional.


  songbird

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On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:34 PM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task
> on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz,
> it doesn't have a GPU.
> Do you think it would run without problems
> or would it be slow and laggy?
>
> Thanks in advance for your answers.
>

If you have the drive-space for it, install it, along with something
lighter like Cinnamon or LXQt.

Then all it takes to switch between the alternatives is to log out, find
the settings icon on your login manager, select your alternative, and log
back in.

If KDE proves to be too sluggish, log out/in, switching to a leaner
alternative.

You can install and try dozens of alternatives.
-- 
Kent West                    <")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

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> If you have the drive-space for it, install it, along with something
lighter like Cinnamon or LXQt.
>
> Then all it takes to switch between the alternatives is to log out, find
the settings icon on your login manager, select your alternative, and log
back in.
>
> If KDE proves to be too sluggish, log out/in, switching to a leaner
alternative.
>
> You can install and try dozens of alternatives.
> --
> Kent West                    <")))><
> Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

Thanks for the suggestion.  But, according to the others here
I think that everything should go fine.

I'm a little optimistic now.  Everything I was looking is an opinion
from someone already using KDE Plasma and some advice.

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