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  Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-09 23:40 +0100
    Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-09 23:50 +0100
      Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 00:10 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-10 00:10 +0100
          Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 00:20 +0100
            Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-10 01:20 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-10 10:30 +0100
        Re: Plasma can be a lightweight (was: Hardware requirements between  Debian 9 and 10) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-10 11:40 +0100
          Re: Plasma can be a lightweight Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-10 12:30 +0100
            Re: Plasma can be a lightweight Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-11 09:20 +0100
      Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-10 00:10 +0100
    Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 00:20 +0100
      Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 00:40 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 01:00 +0100
          Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 01:10 +0100
            Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-10 12:40 +0100
              Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 14:20 +0100
            Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 15:00 +0100
    Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-10 00:30 +0100
      Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 00:50 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-10 01:10 +0100
          Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 01:20 +0100
            Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 02:50 +0100
              Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 03:30 +0100
            Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 15:10 +0100
              Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian  9 and 10) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-03-10 17:10 +0100
                Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-10 17:40 +0100
                  Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian  9 and 10) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 22:00 +0100
                Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian  9 and 10) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 22:00 +0100
              OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-03-10 17:10 +0100
            Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 mmDebMail2020@marwedels.de - 2021-03-10 19:10 +0100
              Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 20:20 +0100
              Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-10 23:00 +0100
    Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Keith Bainbridge <keith.bainbridge.3216@gmx.com> - 2021-03-10 00:30 +0100
      Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 00:30 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-10 08:50 +0100
          Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 10:30 +0100
      Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 00:40 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 01:00 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 01:00 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 01:10 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-03-10 14:30 +0100
    Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-10 16:20 +0100
      Multipart HTML emails (was: Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-03-10 17:30 +0100
        Re: Multipart HTML emails (was: Re: Hardware requirements between  Debian 9 and 10) songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-10 18:50 +0100
      Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-10 17:50 +0100
      Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 20:10 +0100
        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-10 22:20 +0100
          Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 22:40 +0100
            Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 00:00 +0100
              Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 01:00 +0100
                Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 01:40 +0100
                  Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 03:00 +0100
                    Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 03:10 +0100
                      Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 03:50 +0100
                        Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 04:00 +0100
                          Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 04:40 +0100
                            Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10 songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-11 14:10 +0100

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#232632

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> Definitely not) Use the Desktop environment like lxde/lxqt: it uses
concepts you are already familiar with: Desktop, main menu, icons etc..

I used a Live CD with LXDE on the other PC,
it looked fine but it was a bit disappointing compared to Windows 7 Starter.

I could not install a firmware package
(yes, I have to or it will be no WiFi), because I could not make it work
without rebooting the PC.  The Live CD has its limitations.

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#232693

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 02:39:14AM +0300, IL Ka wrote:
> By the way: some people use bare window managers instead of full-fledged
> desktop environments.

"Bare" is such a mean word.  I call them traditional window managers.

> > Some window managers (like TWM) can run on 8MB of RAM:). The smallest one
> is called CWM (created by OpenBSD).
> https://packages.debian.org/buster/cwm
> 
> but it is for these old UNIX gurus who never leave the command line, not
> for regular users.

I wouldn't recommend twm specifically, but there's nothing wrong with
using a traditional window manager, even if you're not a "guru".  Some
of the people here may want to give it a try, especially the ones who
are concerned about memory usage on older hardware.

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#232702

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote:
...
> Hello.
>
> I'm new to GNU/Linux systems.  I would like to know
> why the RAM requirements showed here:
> https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s04.en.html
> are double the size of those displayed here:
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s04.html.en
>
> Excuse my ignorance, I have a bit old laptop and I don't know if it would
> be better
> to have Debian 9 so I can, possibly, load KDE on it, or instead Debian 10
> but having to limit myself to lightweight applications only.
>
> Anyway, thanks in advance for any help you could give me.

  my preference with that little memory would be to install a
lightweight desktop (i use MATE and that works fine for my
purposes).


> PS: If I'm not using the mailing list properly, let me know,
> I never used any before.

  only that i wish people would stop posting HTML.


  songbird

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#232706 — Multipart HTML emails (was: Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

Songbird and all,

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:06:59 AM songbird wrote:
> Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote:
> > PS: If I'm not using the mailing list properly, let me know,
> > I never used any before.
> 
>   only that i wish people would stop posting HTML.

I don't like HTML in emails, but I don't mind it so much if the email has two 
parts, one plain text and one HTML with the same content in each.  

(I can't remember the correct term for that -- part of it is multipart, iirc, 
but I think there is an additional word (adjective?) to say that the same 
content is present in both parts.)

I guess I'm asking if songbird (or anybody else) uses an email client that has 
a problem with that multipart thing (with the same content in both parts) -- 
it doesn't bother my old version of kmail.

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#232710 — Re: Multipart HTML emails (was: Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:06:59 AM songbird wrote:
>> Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote:
>> > PS: If I'm not using the mailing list properly, let me know,
>> > I never used any before.
>> 
>>   only that i wish people would stop posting HTML.
>
> I don't like HTML in emails, but I don't mind it so much if the email has two 
> parts, one plain text and one HTML with the same content in each.  
>
> (I can't remember the correct term for that -- part of it is multipart, iirc, 
> but I think there is an additional word (adjective?) to say that the same 
> content is present in both parts.)
>
> I guess I'm asking if songbird (or anybody else) uses an email client that has 
> a problem with that multipart thing (with the same content in both parts) -- 
> it doesn't bother my old version of kmail.

  i use slrn as my newsreader and mutt for e-mail - so that is 
two different interfaces for two different things.  i do not
like e-mail and usenet integrated into one program because to
me they are completely different tasks and mentalities.  :)

  mutt i have set up to do plain text everything, so i won't
see html or pictures as most people might think, i won't open
up any documents in other formats (PDFs, etc.) from strangers -
nope, not doing that...

  also, if i post to a usenet group i don't expect e-mails in
return but they do happen at times.  almost always they are
duplicates that i don't reply to as i am here to talk publicly.

  if you do happen to e-mail me on purpose if you don't put
something in the subject line or in the first line or two of
the reply i may just delete it thinking it was one of those
duplicates.  i'm not being mean or intentionally ignoring 
anyone who's trying to be helpful, but basically i'm not on
usenet for getting private replies.


  songbird

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#232708

On 03/10/2021 09:06 AM, songbird wrote:
> Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote:
> ...
[snip]
> 
>    my preference with that little memory would be to install a
> lightweight desktop (i use MATE and that works fine for my
> purposes).
> 

I originally used Gnome2 because it was available and tolerated/assumed 
my WinXP habits. IOW chose a desktop more for how it matches your use 
patterns than how big/fast/versatile/lethargic/etc _others_ say it is.
I consider Gnome3 a *DISASTER* and continued continued with Gnome2 until 
MATE was released. It got my attention as it was touted as a Gnome 
replacement. I like MATE.


> 
>> PS: If I'm not using the mailing list properly, let me know,
>> I never used any before.
> 
>    only that i wish people would stop posting HTML.
> 
> 
>    songbird
> 
> 
> 

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#232723

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>   only that i wish people would stop posting HTML.

Sorry, I don't know if I'm posting on HTML, gmail does everything
automatically
and doesn't let me set the messages to be sent as plain text.

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#232739

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:06:18 -0400
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z <santiagopinth@gmail.com> wrote:

> >   only that i wish people would stop posting HTML.  
> 
> Sorry, I don't know if I'm posting on HTML, gmail does everything
> automatically
> and doesn't let me set the messages to be sent as plain text.

You are sending both HTML and plain text, so those of us who dislike
the HTML can simply read the plain text.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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#232742

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> You are sending both HTML and plain text, so those of us who dislike
> the HTML can simply read the plain text.

Sorry, I hope it doesn't cause too much problems.
I don't know how to change that behaviour.

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#232751

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 08:31, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
<santiagopinth@gmail.com> wrote:

> > You are sending both HTML and plain text, so those of us who dislike
> > the HTML can simply read the plain text.

> Sorry, I hope it doesn't cause too much problems.
> I don't know how to change that behaviour.

If I recall correctly, that is done as follows:

Open a Gmail compose window
-> click the "more" (3 vertical dots) icon in the bottom toolbar
-> click on "plain text mode" until a tick-mark appears beside it.

I believe that setting then applies to all future messages, until turned off.

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#232762

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> If I recall correctly, that is done as follows:
>
> Open a Gmail compose window
> -> click the "more" (3 vertical dots) icon in the bottom toolbar
> -> click on "plain text mode" until a tick-mark appears beside it.
>
> I believe that setting then applies to all future messages, until turned
off.

Yes, thanks, it works for the desktop, but not for the phone.
If you see that these messages are written with
short lines is because I'm using a phone.

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#232767

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 10:50, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
<santiagopinth@gmail.com> wrote:

> > If I recall correctly, that is done as follows:

> > Open a Gmail compose window
> > -> click the "more" (3 vertical dots) icon in the bottom toolbar
> > -> click on "plain text mode" until a tick-mark appears beside it.

> > I believe that setting then applies to all future messages, until turned off.

> Yes, thanks, it works for the desktop, but not for the phone.

Please note our code of conduct [1] includes:
"Please don't send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead."
Note 'instead', not 'in addition to'.

[1] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

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#232776

> Please note our code of conduct [1] includes:
> "Please don't send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead."
> Note 'instead', not 'in addition to'.
>
> [1] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

Yes, I read your code of conduct, I just thought
that unformatted text messages would be sent as
plain text.

I'm sorry, I'm trying now to use the old Gmail
webpage as desktop instead of the Android
application to see if it fixes the problem.

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#232778

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 12:53, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
<santiagopinth@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Please note our code of conduct [1] includes:
> > "Please don't send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead."
> > Note 'instead', not 'in addition to'.

> > [1] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

> Yes, I read your code of conduct, I just thought
> that unformatted text messages would be sent as
> plain text.

> I'm sorry, I'm trying now to use the old Gmail
> webpage as desktop instead of the Android
> application to see if it fixes the problem.

Thank you. That works. That's what I do, as another
Gmail user who attempts to do the right thing here :)
It does not affect us Gmail users, but it does annoy
many other people here.

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#232781

> Thank you. That works. That's what I do, as another
> Gmail user who attempts to do the right thing here :)
> It does not affect us Gmail users, but it does annoy
> many other people here.

Ok, I just hope that the HTML version of Gmail defaults to
plain text, I'm not using the normal interface with the
"plain text mode" because I'm still using the phone but as desktop.

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#232782

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 13:45, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
<santiagopinth@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Thank you. That works. That's what I do, as another
> > Gmail user who attempts to do the right thing here :)
> > It does not affect us Gmail users, but it does annoy
> > many other people here.

> Ok, I just hope that the HTML version of Gmail defaults to
> plain text, I'm not using the normal interface with the
> "plain text mode" because I'm still using the phone but as desktop.

Your message to which I am replying contains no HTML.

Likewise the previous one, which is why I wrote "Thank you. That works."

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#232783

> Your message to which I am replying contains no HTML.
>
> Likewise the previous one, which is why I wrote "Thank you. That works."

Ok.  Thank you too.  Have a good day.

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#232810

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote:
>> Your message to which I am replying contains no HTML.
>>
>> Likewise the previous one, which is why I wrote "Thank you. That works."
>
> Ok.  Thank you too.  Have a good day.

  thank you both.  makes it much easier to read to not have
extra included at the bottom.  :)


  songbird

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