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| Started by | William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-03-11 20:00 +0100 |
| Last post | 2021-03-14 05:30 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 128 — 32 participants |
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How i can optimize my operating system? William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 20:00 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-03-11 20:10 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 20:30 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-11 21:10 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 22:10 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-11 23:30 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-12 01:20 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-03-12 12:40 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> - 2021-03-12 15:40 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-03-12 17:10 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> - 2021-03-12 17:30 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-12 17:30 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-12 08:10 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-12 08:20 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-12 09:30 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-03-12 09:40 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-12 09:40 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-03-12 10:50 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-12 12:50 +0100
Re: How i can optimize my operating system? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-12 15:30 +0100
Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-03-12 10:40 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-12 11:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-12 12:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-12 13:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-12 17:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2021-03-12 17:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2021-03-12 17:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-12 18:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-12 19:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-12 22:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-12 23:40 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2021-03-13 19:40 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) grumpy <grumpy@mailfence.com> - 2021-03-14 00:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 09:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-13 08:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-13 09:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 04:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 05:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-18 09:40 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-18 23:20 +0100
[OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-19 01:00 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-20 13:40 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-20 19:10 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-21 09:00 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-21 11:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-21 13:10 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-21 14:40 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-21 14:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-22 03:40 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 07:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-22 08:40 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-22 08:40 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2021-03-22 08:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 09:10 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 09:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-22 10:00 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 10:10 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-22 10:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 20:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-22 21:00 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-22 21:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2021-03-22 21:40 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Viktor Vogel <viktor@policy.redirectme.net> - 2021-03-23 17:10 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-03-23 19:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-03-23 20:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-23 21:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-22 21:50 +0100
Re: SERIOUSLY DANGEROUSLY OFF-TOPIC verb conjugation <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-23 09:30 +0100
Re: SERIOUSLY DANGEROUSLY OFF-TOPIC verb conjugation Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-03-23 12:00 +0100
Re: System hacks more than one year. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-22 20:50 +0100
Re: System hacks more than one year. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-03-22 21:20 +0100
Re: System hacks more than one year. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-22 21:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-22 10:10 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-05-08 14:20 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-05-08 13:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-20 19:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-21 09:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-20 20:40 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-21 03:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 21:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-18 21:40 +0100
[OT] Debian Offtopic (Was: Re: Social-media antipathy)) Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-03-18 22:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-18 09:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 10:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-18 11:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 15:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 16:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 17:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 22:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-19 01:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-19 01:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-18 17:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 18:40 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-03-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-18 18:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2021-03-18 18:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-13 15:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-03-13 15:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-13 15:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-13 22:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-13 22:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-13 22:40 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-14 00:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Tom Yates <madhatter@teaparty.net> - 2021-03-14 07:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 11:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 09:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 12:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 12:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 13:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 13:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-14 15:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-15 10:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-15 10:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-14 19:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-14 19:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-14 18:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2021-03-12 18:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2021-03-12 20:10 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbn.25@letterboxes.org> - 2021-03-12 20:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-12 20:40 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-12 18:30 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-13 11:00 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-13 22:20 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2021-03-14 15:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2021-05-09 10:00 +0200
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) grumpy <grumpy@mailfence.com> - 2021-03-12 20:40 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-12 20:50 +0100
Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 05:30 +0100
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| From | The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 10:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRMr0-6K1-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232866 |
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On 2021-03-12 at 03:27, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:11:16PM -0800, Weaver wrote: >> I have never had a Facebook account and never will. > We (three?) are the invisible Internet Underground \o/ > > [psst. don't tell anyone] > > ;-) I can go one better than that. Unless my memory is failing me, I have only ever visited facebook.com once in my life - and that was a mistake, I clicked on a link to something that looked interesting without first checking the target domain. I decided long, long ago (sometime in the first half of the first decade of this century, IIRC) that I didn't trust Facebook - initially because it and its embedded ads were a notorious vector for malware, later because I just didn't trust it period. I made a conscious decision to never risk visiting the site, and with that one exception (for which I did have NoScript active) I'm fairly sure I've never broken from that. I'm not as strongly antipathetic towards the other social-media sites, but I still tend not to visit them. I do have a Twitter account nowadays, but I rarely visit it, and the number of tweets I've sent out is in the low double (or maybe even high single) digits. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 11:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRMKn-6SQ-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232875 |
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 04:38:54AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-12 at 03:27, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:11:16PM -0800, Weaver wrote: > > >> I have never had a Facebook account and never will. > > > We (three?) are the invisible Internet Underground \o/ > > > > [psst. don't tell anyone] > > > > ;-) > > I can go one better than that. > > Unless my memory is failing me, I have only ever visited facebook.com > once in my life - and that was a mistake, I clicked on a link to > something that looked interesting without first checking the target domain. > > I decided long, long ago (sometime in the first half of the first decade > of this century, IIRC) that I didn't trust Facebook [...] More or less what I do. I do sometimes visit Facebook, but with a highly restricted browser profile: no javascript [1], no cookies. Most of the FB page doesn't work properly, but it's mostly enough to get the info I wanted. Twitter? I go to a proxy, nitter [2]. Most of the things out there I do with my restricted browser profile. If a page doesn't work, I just assume they don't want to play with me. And oh, some of the funny google services are in my /etc/hosts, pointing to 127.0.0.1 No, it ain't paranoia. If "they" [TM] want to get me, they just smash down my door and get me, let's face it. Call it a sociological experiment: I want to know how much life there is beyond surveillance capitalism :) Cheers [1] Oh, Firefox, I hate thou: why have you made so hard to /just disable/ Javascript? Is this a Dark Pattern or what? (yeah, yeah: the details of /that/ would fill yet another discussion, I fear :) [2] https://nitter.cc/about - t
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| From | Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 12:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRNGp-7rW-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232875 |
On 3/12/21, The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> wrote: > On 2021-03-12 at 03:27, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:11:16PM -0800, Weaver wrote: > >>> I have never had a Facebook account and never will. > >> We (three?) are the invisible Internet Underground \o/ >> >> [psst. don't tell anyone] >> >> ;-) > > I can go one better than that. > > Unless my memory is failing me, I have only ever visited facebook.com > once in my life - and that was a mistake, I clicked on a link to > something that looked interesting without first checking the target domain. My memory may be failed, but I think the reason I have a Facebook account is because I found they had my name listed. To this day, I don't understand how websites get away with that. The first person who finds your name gets to claim it as their own via that "Is this you?" thing that they do. Some websites do the same thing for businesses, too. My Facebook is still hanging around for weeks like the one we just had. I have two webpages to post over there. They'll be tagged with a, "This is what I've been trying to tell everyone for fifteen years. I haven't been lying nor exaggerating about the situation." My "advocacy" moved to Twitter because it feels like there's a better chance of reaching a wider audience. I used to do the hashtags on Facebook, but it seemed a waste of time because I NEVER stumbled upon anything written by anyone else. It never felt like there was room for accidental meetings with others who might help further the expressing of your concerns (for lack of a better way to put it). So anyway... Cindy...... :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 13:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BROCt-80F-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232881 |
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 05:57:54AM -0500, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: [...] > My memory may be failed, but I think the reason I have a Facebook > account is because I found they had my name listed. To this day, I > don't understand how websites get away with that. The first person who > finds your name gets to claim it as their own via that "Is this you?" > thing that they do. Some websites do the same thing for businesses, > too. [...] Now a question, if I may: you don't seem OK with Facebook "claiming" your name. Why do you still have an account with them? Please, don't take my question as (hidden) judgement or something. I am just trying to understand how those things work. And (this should be obvious, but still): if you prefer to not answer, just ignore my question! Cheers - t
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 17:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRSmK-1Ub-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232875 |
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On Vi, 12 mar 21, 04:38:54, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-12 at 03:27, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:11:16PM -0800, Weaver wrote: > > >> I have never had a Facebook account and never will. > > > We (three?) are the invisible Internet Underground \o/ > > > > [psst. don't tell anyone] > > > > ;-) > > I can go one better than that. > > Unless my memory is failing me, I have only ever visited facebook.com > once in my life - and that was a mistake, I clicked on a link to > something that looked interesting without first checking the target domain. > > I decided long, long ago (sometime in the first half of the first decade > of this century, IIRC) that I didn't trust Facebook - initially because > it and its embedded ads were a notorious vector for malware, later > because I just didn't trust it period. I made a conscious decision to > never risk visiting the site, and with that one exception (for which I > did have NoScript active) I'm fairly sure I've never broken from that. When Facebook was in its infancy (at least in my country?) they were spamming my e-mail inviting me to join because two co-workers joined (and probably gave Facebook access to all their e-mail contacts). In one of those e-mails, besides the names of the two co-workers and some other work related persons Facebook mentioned also the name of an acquaintance from my native city with no link (I was aware of) to my current workplace. That was creepy enough for me to resist creating an account for a very long time. Eventually I had to give in, because I was being literally forgotten by a group of friends that were using Facebook for most of their communication (I was the only one without a Facebook account), so I did create an account under a fake name, tied to a new webmail address. For WhatsApp I am "fortunate" enough that it's allowed on the company provided mobile phone, so at least I can keep it off my private one. I've only managed to "blackmail" some close family and friends to use Signal, though many of my (less important, unfortunately) contacts did sign up since WhatsApp tried to change their privacy policy, so I'm still hopeful. > I'm not as strongly antipathetic towards the other social-media sites, > but I still tend not to visit them. I do have a Twitter account > nowadays, but I rarely visit it, and the number of tweets I've sent out > is in the low double (or maybe even high single) digits. Twitter didn't really catch on here, Facebook dominates almost completely with it's own share of users + Instagram and WhatsApp. Hopefully they'll be split, in which case I just *might* reconsider WhatsApp for private use. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 17:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRSG5-2gh-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232902 |
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 7:51 AM Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote: > Eventually I had to give in, because I was being literally forgotten by > a group of friends that were using Facebook for most of their > communication (I was the only one without a Facebook account), so I did > create an account under a fake name, tied to a new webmail address. I did the same thing - I resisted being on FB for a very long time, but eventually I had to get on because it was how my family was communicating and I was being left out of the loop. I joined as my dog only my family knew how to find me. Even to this day I am only connected to family members.
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| From | "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 17:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRSPL-2jf-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232908 |
On 3/12/21 8:09 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > I did the same thing - I resisted being on FB for a very long time, > but eventually I had to get on because it was how my family was > communicating and I was being left out of the loop. I joined as my dog > only my family knew how to find me. Even to this day I am only > connected to family members. If they shun or ostracize you for not being on Facebook, they are neither your friends nor your family. The very first thing I do when taking possession of a computer is to add host table entries to interdict any attempt to access Facebook or Twitter (by mapping them to 0.0.0.0). That way, it becomes impossible for me to be tricked into accessing them by disguised links (I have received such links a number of times). I have real friends. And a real web site. And list-servers and boards. And a life. -- JHHL
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 18:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRTLP-2Ud-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232912 |
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:27:23AM -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote: [...] > If they shun or ostracize you for not being on Facebook, they are > neither your friends nor your family. I don't know whether that hard position is always viable. I mean, I managed without Facebook (and *all* the others, btw.) but that may well be sheer luck. To think otherwise would feel... arrogant to me. And yes, I'm interested in understanding /why/ and /how/ people are sucked in: that's about the only way to do something against it. Cheers - t
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 19:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRV1h-3zC-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232915 |
On Fri 12 Mar 2021 at 18:27:58 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:27:23AM -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > [...] > > > If they shun or ostracize you for not being on Facebook, they are > > neither your friends nor your family. > > I don't know whether that hard position is always viable. I mean, > I managed without Facebook (and *all* the others, btw.) but that > may well be sheer luck. To think otherwise would feel... arrogant > to me. How can "sheer luck" be a factor? My non-participation in Facebook is due to a conscious decision. > And yes, I'm interested in understanding /why/ and /how/ people > are sucked in: that's about the only way to do something against > it. Perhaps they feel a need to communicate with a group. That's hardly being "sucked in". Their choice, just like mine. Different midsets. To imply it is not quite the best and there is something that should be done about such a choice is simply vi vs emacs talk :). -- Brian.
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 22:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRXPr-5kK-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232923 |
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 06:44:54PM +0000, Brian wrote: > On Fri 12 Mar 2021 at 18:27:58 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:27:23AM -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > If they shun or ostracize you for not being on Facebook, they are > > > neither your friends nor your family. > > > > I don't know whether that hard position is always viable. I mean, > > I managed without Facebook (and *all* the others, btw.) but that > > may well be sheer luck. To think otherwise would feel... arrogant > > to me. > > How can "sheer luck" be a factor? My non-participation in Facebook > is due to a conscious decision. The price to pay to follow through this decision may be very different for different people. Job, acquaintances, family. You name it. Cheers - t
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-03-12 23:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BRYBP-5UU-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232932 |
On Fri 12 Mar 2021 at 22:45:55 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 06:44:54PM +0000, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 12 Mar 2021 at 18:27:58 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:27:23AM -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > If they shun or ostracize you for not being on Facebook, they are > > > > neither your friends nor your family. > > > > > > I don't know whether that hard position is always viable. I mean, > > > I managed without Facebook (and *all* the others, btw.) but that > > > may well be sheer luck. To think otherwise would feel... arrogant > > > to me. > > > > How can "sheer luck" be a factor? My non-participation in Facebook > > is due to a conscious decision. > > The price to pay to follow through this decision may be very different > for different people. Job, acquaintances, family. You name it. Indeed it might be. That is why people come to different decisions. -- Brian.
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| From | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-13 19:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BShl8-7hU-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232923 |
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:45 AM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > On Fri 12 Mar 2021 at 18:27:58 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:27:23AM -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > If they shun or ostracize you for not being on Facebook, they are > > > neither your friends nor your family. > > > > I don't know whether that hard position is always viable. I mean, > > I managed without Facebook (and *all* the others, btw.) but that > > may well be sheer luck. To think otherwise would feel... arrogant > > to me. > > How can "sheer luck" be a factor? My non-participation in Facebook > is due to a conscious decision. > > > And yes, I'm interested in understanding /why/ and /how/ people > > are sucked in: that's about the only way to do something against > > it. > > Perhaps they feel a need to communicate with a group. That's hardly > being "sucked in". Their choice, just like mine. Different midsets. > To imply it is not quite the best and there is something that should > be done about such a choice is simply vi vs emacs talk :). “In the old pre-technology days, it would have been almost impossible to replicate Facebook or Twitter. The closest you could get would be to mail dozens of postcards a day to everybody you know, each with a brief message about yourself like: "Finally got that haircut I've been putting off." Or: "Just had a caramel frappuccino. Yum!" The people receiving these postcards would have naturally assumed you were a moron with a narcissism disorder. But today, thanks to Facebook and Twitter, you are seen as a person engaging in 'social networking'.” ― Dave Barry, I'll Mature When I'm Dead: Dave Barry's Amazing Tales of Adulthood > >
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| From | grumpy <grumpy@mailfence.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-14 00:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BSloN-1uu-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232987 |
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March 13, 2021 7:36:39 PM CET Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:45 AM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: On Fri 12 Mar 2021 at 18:27:58 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:27:23AM -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > [...] > > > If they shun or ostracize you for not being on Facebook, they are > > neither your friends nor your family. > > I don't know whether that hard position is always viable. I mean, > I managed without Facebook (and *all* the others, btw.) but that > may well be sheer luck. To think otherwise would feel... arrogant > to me. How can "sheer luck" be a factor? My non-participation in Facebook is due to a conscious decision. > And yes, I'm interested in understanding /why/ and /how/ people > are sucked in: that's about the only way to do something against > it. Perhaps they feel a need to communicate with a group. That's hardly being "sucked in". Their choice, just like mine. Different midsets. To imply it is not quite the best and there is something that should be done about such a choice is simply vi vs emacs talk :). “In the old pre-technology days, it would have been almost impossible to replicate Facebook or Twitter. The closest you could get would be to mail dozens of postcards a day to everybody you know, each with a brief message about yourself like: "Finally got that haircut I've been putting off." Or: "Just had a caramel frappuccino. Yum!" The people receiving these postcards would have naturally assumed you were a moron with a narcissism disorder. But today, thanks to Facebook and Twitter, you are seen as a person engaging in 'social networking'.” ― Dave Barry, I'll Mature When I'm Dead: Dave Barry's Amazing Tales of Adulthood which begs the question "why do people feel the need to tell the world every tiny thing that pops into their head?"
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-03-14 09:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BSuim-7jw-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #233005 |
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 11:55:24PM +0100, grumpy wrote: [...] > How can "sheer luck" be a factor? My non-participation in Facebook > is due to a conscious decision. Good for you if you think that all you have and are is due to your own hard work. In my case, it's different. Cheers - t
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-13 08:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BS6SK-2IL-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232915 |
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On Vi, 12 mar 21, 18:27:58, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 08:27:23AM -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > [...] > > > If they shun or ostracize you for not being on Facebook, they are > > neither your friends nor your family. > > I don't know whether that hard position is always viable. I mean, > I managed without Facebook (and *all* the others, btw.) but that > may well be sheer luck. To think otherwise would feel... arrogant > to me. Exactly. "Hey, won't *everybody* switch to using <something else> for our communication, photo sharing, event coordination, etc.? Why? Because I'm (the only one in the group) worried about my privacy on Facebook." Besides the social part of asking *everybody* *else* to switch I'm also not aware of a viable <something else>. Fortunately most of the conversations have been moving to WhatsApp (where they are supposed to be encrypted, at least). Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-03-13 09:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BS889-3sy-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232959 |
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 09:24:50AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Exactly. "Hey, won't *everybody* switch to using <something else> for > our communication, photo sharing, event coordination, etc.? Why? Because > I'm (the only one in the group) worried about my privacy on Facebook." > > Besides the social part of asking *everybody* *else* to switch I'm also > not aware of a viable <something else>. I offer: mail, phone, and (in non-pandemic times) show up. For the latter there is some enticement: I'm not totally bad at cooking :-) (yeah, you see I'm adopting methods from the ad industry myself). > Fortunately most of the > conversations have been moving to WhatsApp (where they are supposed to > be encrypted, at least). Yeah, right. Encrypted. End-to-end. One of those ends is Facebook, though. Ouch. Cheers - t
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| From | Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-18 04:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BTR3b-7ZK-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232967 |
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:45:28 +0100 <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 09:24:50AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: ... > > Fortunately most of the > > conversations have been moving to WhatsApp (where they are supposed to > > be encrypted, at least). > > Yeah, right. Encrypted. End-to-end. One of those ends is Facebook, though. > Ouch. I'm not sure whether you're being serious or facetious, but WhatsApp apparently has genuine end-to-end encryption, using the Signal protocol, and neither of the ends is Facebook. Of course, it's closed source, so we can't know for sure what's really in there, and I certainly won't use it, but as far as anyone knows, it is the real deal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatsapp#End-to-end_encryption https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/whatsapp-is-now-most-widely-used-end-to-end-crypto-tool-on-the-planet/ Celejar
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-18 05:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BTS8X-vY-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #233193 |
Celejar wrote: > I'm not sure whether you're being serious or facetious, but WhatsApp > apparently has genuine end-to-end encryption, using the Signal protocol, > and neither of the ends is Facebook. > > Of course, it's closed source, so we can't know for sure what's really > in there, and I certainly won't use it, but as far as anyone knows, it > is the real deal: come one - as soon as you are hooked to the internet, you are exposed. The only way to ensure truly encrypted communication is to do the encryption/decryption offline. Why should I bother with your encryption efforts, when I can read your screen?
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-03-18 09:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BTWmd-2Yq-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #233198 |
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 05:03:49AM +0100, deloptes wrote: > Celejar wrote: > > > I'm not sure whether you're being serious or facetious, but WhatsApp > > apparently has genuine end-to-end encryption, using the Signal protocol, > > and neither of the ends is Facebook. > > > > Of course, it's closed source, so we can't know for sure what's really > > in there, and I certainly won't use it, but as far as anyone knows, it > > is the real deal: > > come one - as soon as you are hooked to the internet, you are exposed. The > only way to ensure truly encrypted communication is to do the > encryption/decryption offline. Come on, as soon as you go out to the street you can be run over by a bus... You'll still take some precautions, as it might enhance your odds of survival :) > Why should I bother with your encryption efforts, when I can read your > screen? This is a good point: one of the weak points of E2E encryptions is, indeed, the one end. The other is... the other end ;-) Cheers - t
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-03-18 23:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) |
| Message-ID | <BU99M-2qy-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #233202 |
> Perhaps you and all the others could use -debian-offtopic to air
Not sure what "offtopic" has to do with this discussion, so I'll assume
it was a typo for `debian-offline`.
I hear there's a lot of interesting discussions there about how to
communicate safely, but sadly so far I haven't managed to configure my
safe not-internet-connected machine to participate.
Stefan
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