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| Started by | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| First post | 2021-03-02 21:10 +0100 |
| Last post | 2021-03-11 00:20 +0100 |
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Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-02 21:10 +0100
Re: Installation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-02 21:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-02 22:20 +0100
Re: Installation problems <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-02 22:30 +0100
Re: Installation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-03 00:10 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-02 22:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-03-02 23:20 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 02:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 02:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems Keith Bainbridge <ke1thozgroups@gmx.com> - 2021-03-03 00:00 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 10:30 +0100
Re: Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-03 15:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 16:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 16:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-03 22:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-03 23:00 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-04 13:00 +0100
Re: Installation problems Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-03-04 13:30 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-04 14:00 +0100
Re: Installation problems Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-04 17:30 +0100
Re: Installation problems Keith Bainbridge <ke1thozgroups@gmx.com> - 2021-03-02 23:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-03 03:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 10:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 11:20 +0100
Re: Installation problems Keith Bainbridge <ke1thozgroups@gmx.com> - 2021-03-03 00:00 +0100
PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 16:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-03 22:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-03 23:00 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-04 02:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-04 03:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-04 04:20 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-04 05:10 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-04 10:00 +0100
Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-04 09:50 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-04 10:50 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-04 14:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 15:30 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-03-04 16:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 17:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-03-04 19:10 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 19:30 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-04 23:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-04 23:40 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-04 23:50 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 15:30 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 14:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-04 16:10 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 17:20 +0100
OT: Bathroom scales (was: Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems]) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-03-04 17:40 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-04 23:30 +0100
[OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-05 04:00 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-05 06:30 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-05 06:40 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-05 07:40 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-05 09:20 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-03-05 15:10 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-04 13:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-04 18:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-04 23:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-05 13:20 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-05 21:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-05 22:20 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-05 22:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-05 23:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-06 00:40 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 01:40 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-06 02:50 +0100
Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-08 13:10 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-03-08 13:30 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-08 17:30 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-08 20:20 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-09 02:10 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-09 13:40 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-03-09 14:00 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-09 14:20 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-09 14:10 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-09 14:20 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-09 21:40 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 10:50 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-10 11:30 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 14:40 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-10 15:50 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 21:50 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-03-11 00:20 +0100
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-10 14:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} |
| Message-ID | <BR7ea-6f8-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232662 |
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On Mi, 10 mar 21, 04:26:06, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > The boot process has three major stages.
> >
> > 1. POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test
> > 2. Bootloader (grub, etc.)
> > 3. Operating System (in this case Debian)
> >
> > In which of the above stages does the boot hang?
>
> In yesterday's case, it was definitely case 3.
> In the case of getting a hang with blank screen I suspect it also was case
> 3, but I wasn't recording detailed symptoms the last time it happened.
>
> I all cases I've heard the beep from POST.
Well, it should be pretty obvious if you are past the bootloader (grub)
stage or not ;)
Assuming the hang happens in the OS stage a first step would be to
remove 'quiet' from the boot command line. Both the kernel and systemd
(assuming the boot is progressing that far) should be significantly more
verbose then.
> Consider this sequence of events.
> 1. PC and LinkZone powered off
> 2. Turn on PC
> 3. Debian boots normally
> 4. Turn on LinkZone
> 5. Browse a web site
> 6. Shut off PC power leaving LinkZone running on its battery
> 7. Wait
> 8. Turn on PC
> 9. Failure occurs
After a failed boot you could try to boot normally and check the output
of
journalctl -alb -1
('-1' means the logs from the previous boot)
Based on the timestamps you should be able to determine whether this is
the failed boot (assuming it got far enough to save the logs to
persistent storage) or the previous one.
This may not work unless you enable persistent storage for
systemd-journal (see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian).
Kind regards,
Andrei
--
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-10 15:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} |
| Message-ID | <BR8jT-6Wz-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232694 |
On 03/10/2021 07:29 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 10 mar 21, 04:26:06, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>>
>>> The boot process has three major stages.
>>>
>>> 1. POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test
>>> 2. Bootloader (grub, etc.)
>>> 3. Operating System (in this case Debian)
>>>
>>> In which of the above stages does the boot hang?
>>
>> In yesterday's case, it was definitely case 3.
>> In the case of getting a hang with blank screen I suspect it also was case
>> 3, but I wasn't recording detailed symptoms the last time it happened.
>>
>> I all cases I've heard the beep from POST.
>
> Well, it should be pretty obvious if you are past the bootloader (grub)
> stage or not ;)
>
> Assuming the hang happens in the OS stage a first step would be to
> remove 'quiet' from the boot command line. Both the kernel and systemd
> (assuming the boot is progressing that far) should be significantly more
> verbose then.
>
>> Consider this sequence of events.
>> 1. PC and LinkZone powered off
>> 2. Turn on PC
>> 3. Debian boots normally
>> 4. Turn on LinkZone
>> 5. Browse a web site
>> 6. Shut off PC power leaving LinkZone running on its battery
>> 7. Wait
>> 8. Turn on PC
>> 9. Failure occurs
>
> After a failed boot you could try to boot normally and check the output
> of
>
> journalctl -alb -1
>
> ('-1' means the logs from the previous boot)
>
> Based on the timestamps you should be able to determine whether this is
> the failed boot (assuming it got far enough to save the logs to
> persistent storage) or the previous one.
>
> This may not work unless you enable persistent storage for
> systemd-journal (see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian).
>
I may not be able to do until tomorrow as I have errands to run before
much rain in next several days.
Looking at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian prompts me to ask:
"What logs might be created when attempting to run a netinst.iso?"
I have a spare laptop whose HDD I can wipe and use for experiments.
My mindset still shows influence of doing component level debug in
mid/late 70's. I just have no pre-retirement *nix experience.
Any other reading assignments?
My motto:
If retirement is not for learning, what use is it? <GRIN>
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-10 21:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} |
| Message-ID | <BRdWh-1ZX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232699 |
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On Mi, 10 mar 21, 08:49:06, Richard Owlett wrote: > > Looking at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian prompts me to ask: > "What logs might be created when attempting to run a netinst.iso?" The Debian Installation Guide should have more information on the Installer's logs and where they are to be found on the final install. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-11 00:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} |
| Message-ID | <BRghs-3CL-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232662 |
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 04:26:06AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 14:35:54, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 03/09/2021 07:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote: > > > > > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an > > > > > > upgrade for your current kernel on the debian backports > > > > > > site (for your processor and distribution type). i just > > > > > > had an issue with a new device not being recognized and > > > > > > updated my kernel (for stretch) and it worked fine after > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The more I think about my observed symptoms, it would seem logical to be > > > > > kernel related. > > > > > > > > > > If the Linkzone is physically connected when PC is turned on, the boot > > > > > process will hang until the Linkzone is disconnected. > > > > > > > > Please also provide info like the exact stage of the boot process, any > > > > (error) messages on screen, etc. > > > > > > > > I've seen this symptom with a laptop before, though it would hang at the > > > > BIOS stage (it was probably trying to boot from it), while you imply > > > > it's later. > > > > > > I think there are 2 separate states of the Linkzone may have when attempting > > > to boot the PC. > > > > > > 1. The Linkzone is off but plugged into the PC. > > > Boot appeared normal. > > > > > > 2. The Linkzone is turned on and I have waited for its indicator lights to > > > indicate connection to network. > > > This time the the screen was looping very quickly repeating that it was > > > attempting to reset a USB device. > > > > > > What log should I look in for such an error message? > > > I know I've seen description of how to interpret the boot process to gather > > > information. But where? > > > > The boot process has three major stages. > > > > 1. POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test > > 2. Bootloader (grub, etc.) > > 3. Operating System (in this case Debian) > > > > In which of the above stages does the boot hang? > > In yesterday's case, it was definitely case 3. > In the case of getting a hang with blank screen I suspect it also was case > 3, but I wasn't recording detailed symptoms the last time it happened. > > I all cases I've heard the beep from POST. > > > > > > I suspect also there is a subset of Case 2 -- The LinkZone had been used to > > > interact with a website before being plugged into the PC under test. > > > > Sorry, can't imagine how a modem can be used to "interact with a web > > page" without being connected to a PC. > > Consider this sequence of events. > 1. PC and LinkZone powered off > 2. Turn on PC > 3. Debian boots normally > 4. Turn on LinkZone > 5. Browse a web site > 6. Shut off PC power leaving LinkZone running on its battery > 7. Wait > 8. Turn on PC > 9. Failure occurs > Consider that the 4G connectivity device from the ISP probably needs to be on BEFORE the PC connects to it. [I swear we've had almost exactly this message before in one of the other threads]. The hotspot connects to 4G then serves out DHCP addresses - if you were using WiFi, you'd get a WiFi connection. The hotspot is probably not meant to be switched on and off repeatedly but to be used for a peroiod of hours per session. 1. Turn hotspot on. Check that it is working by using the app and/or connecting another device and checking connectivity. 2. Boot Debian. 3. Obtain Web connectivity *Profit* If you're turning the PC on and off with a USB device physically connected, it's no wonder that things get confused - *especially* if USB enumeration is unclear as to what sort of device it is. I note also that you apparently have a cap of 2GB per month: in that situation I'd not use a netinst to install anything but it does seem a crazily low data amount for 30 days. > All best, as ever, Andy C.
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