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| Started by | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| First post | 2021-03-02 21:10 +0100 |
| Last post | 2021-03-11 00:20 +0100 |
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Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-02 21:10 +0100
Re: Installation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-02 21:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-02 22:20 +0100
Re: Installation problems <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-02 22:30 +0100
Re: Installation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-03-03 00:10 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-02 22:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-03-02 23:20 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 02:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 02:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems Keith Bainbridge <ke1thozgroups@gmx.com> - 2021-03-03 00:00 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 10:30 +0100
Re: Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-03 15:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 16:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 16:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-03 22:40 +0100
Re: Installation problems Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-03 23:00 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-04 13:00 +0100
Re: Installation problems Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-03-04 13:30 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-04 14:00 +0100
Re: Installation problems Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-04 17:30 +0100
Re: Installation problems Keith Bainbridge <ke1thozgroups@gmx.com> - 2021-03-02 23:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-03 03:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 10:50 +0100
Re: Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 11:20 +0100
Re: Installation problems Keith Bainbridge <ke1thozgroups@gmx.com> - 2021-03-03 00:00 +0100
PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-03 16:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-03 22:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-03 23:00 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-04 02:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-04 03:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-04 04:20 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-04 05:10 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-04 10:00 +0100
Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-04 09:50 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-04 10:50 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-04 14:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 15:30 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-03-04 16:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 17:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-03-04 19:10 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 19:30 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-04 23:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-04 23:40 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-04 23:50 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 15:30 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 14:20 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-04 16:10 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 17:20 +0100
OT: Bathroom scales (was: Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems]) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-03-04 17:40 +0100
Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-04 23:30 +0100
[OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-05 04:00 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-05 06:30 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-05 06:40 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-05 07:40 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-05 09:20 +0100
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-03-05 15:10 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-04 13:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-04 18:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-04 23:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-05 13:20 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-05 21:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-05 22:20 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-05 22:50 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-05 23:30 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-03-06 00:40 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 01:40 +0100
Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-06 02:50 +0100
Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-08 13:10 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-03-08 13:30 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-08 17:30 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-08 20:20 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-09 02:10 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-09 13:40 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-03-09 14:00 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-09 14:20 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-09 14:10 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-09 14:20 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-09 21:40 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 10:50 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-10 11:30 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 14:40 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-10 15:50 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 21:50 +0100
Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems} "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-03-11 00:20 +0100
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-02 21:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Installation problems |
| Message-ID | <BOjvb-84C-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 .
I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine.
debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved.
I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation
media in past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to
copy the iso to the entire device.
Gparted is not cooperating. [Both what is on this machine and I also
have a Gparted Live on another machine.]
What might I be forgetting. Haven't done this in a long time and am not
having a good week :{
Help please.
TIA
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-03-02 21:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOjYd-8ej-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232278 |
On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 14:09:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 . > I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine. > debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved. > > I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation media in > past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to copy the iso > to the entire device. You do not need gparted to wipe them. Just write the ISO there with dd or cp. -- Brian.
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| From | Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-02 22:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOkAW-fg-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232279 |
On 03-03-2021 06:31, Brian wrote: > On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 14:09:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 . >> I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine. >> debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved. >> >> I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation media in >> past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to copy the iso >> to the entire device. I use GParted to wipe them. On too many occasions I've had the installation complaining about writing to `dirty' media, and using GParted beforehand always stops that. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-03-02 22:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOkKB-i9-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232281 |
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On Tue, Mar 02, 2021 at 01:16:41PM -0800, Weaver wrote: > On 03-03-2021 06:31, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 14:09:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >> I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 . > >> I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine. > >> debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved. > >> > >> I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation media in > >> past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to copy the iso > >> to the entire device. > > I use GParted to wipe them. > On too many occasions I've had the installation complaining about > writing to `dirty' media, and using GParted beforehand always stops > that. > Cheers! Hm. dd won't complain. It will overwrite the partition table and the rest. There's nothing magical about the partition table, it just sits in the first block(s) of the device. Can you remember which program complained and how? Cheers - t
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 00:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOmjo-1kN-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232283 |
On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 22:21:42 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Mar 02, 2021 at 01:16:41PM -0800, Weaver wrote: > > On 03-03-2021 06:31, Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 14:09:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > >> I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 . > > >> I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine. > > >> debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved. > > >> > > >> I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation media in > > >> past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to copy the iso > > >> to the entire device. > > > > I use GParted to wipe them. > > On too many occasions I've had the installation complaining about > > writing to `dirty' media, and using GParted beforehand always stops > > that. > > Cheers! > > Hm. dd won't complain. It will overwrite the partition table and the > rest. There's nothing magical about the partition table, it just sits > in the first block(s) of the device. > > Can you remember which program complained and how? I have never had an occasion (and I've done it often enough) when 'cp ISO /dev/sdX' has failed or issued a warning. It simply gets on with the job of writing to the medium and obliterating the existing contents. -- Brian.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-02 22:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOl3Y-oG-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232279 |
On 03/02/2021 02:31 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 14:09:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 . >> I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine. >> debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved. >> >> I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation media in >> past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to copy the iso >> to the entire device. > > You do not need gparted to wipe them. Just write the ISO there with dd > or cp. > DUH! I now have a minimal system installed. I had forgotten that the installer doesn't recognize the USB device T-Mobile provides to connect to the cell network. They sell it as a WiFi Hotspot but I use it essentially as an old fashioned modem. I usually do installs from DVD1 of the set. After an install everything "Just works" ;/ Any one know exactly what I need to add that would normally just be silently installed. I just took it as part of "universal" in USB. Thanks
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-02 23:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOlwZ-O8-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232284 |
On Tue, Mar 02, 2021 at 03:42:27PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/02/2021 02:31 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 14:09:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 . > > > I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine. > > > debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved. > > > > > > I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation media in > > > past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to copy the iso > > > to the entire device. > > > > You do not need gparted to wipe them. Just write the ISO there with dd > > or cp. > > > > DUH! > I now have a minimal system installed. > I had forgotten that the installer doesn't recognize the USB device T-Mobile > provides to connect to the cell network. They sell it as a WiFi Hotspot but > I use it essentially as an old fashioned modem. I usually do installs from > DVD1 of the set. After an install everything "Just works" ;/ > > Any one know exactly what I need to add that would normally just be silently > installed. I just took it as part of "universal" in USB. > > Thanks > What do lspci and lsusb report respectively? It's quite possible that you might need non-free firmware. All the very best, Andy C > >
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 02:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOoEy-2BL-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232285 |
On 03/02/2021 04:13 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Mar 02, 2021 at 03:42:27PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: >> On 03/02/2021 02:31 PM, Brian wrote: >>> On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 14:09:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> >>>> I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 . >>>> I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine. >>>> debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved. >>>> >>>> I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation media in >>>> past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to copy the iso >>>> to the entire device. >>> >>> You do not need gparted to wipe them. Just write the ISO there with dd >>> or cp. >>> >> >> DUH! >> I now have a minimal system installed. >> I had forgotten that the installer doesn't recognize the USB device T-Mobile >> provides to connect to the cell network. They sell it as a WiFi Hotspot but >> I use it essentially as an old fashioned modem. I usually do installs from >> DVD1 of the set. After an install everything "Just works" ;/ >> >> Any one know exactly what I need to add that would normally just be silently >> installed. I just took it as part of "universal" in USB. >> >> Thanks >> > What do lspci and lsusb report respectively? It's quite possible that you > might need non-free firmware. > The winner is lsusb Bus 002 Device 008: ID 1bbb:0195 T & A Mobile Phones Non-free is enabled in sources.list of my working system. How do I identify the crucial piece of software?
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 02:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOoOd-2F2-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232295 |
On 03/02/2021 07:29 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/02/2021 04:13 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 02, 2021 at 03:42:27PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> On 03/02/2021 02:31 PM, Brian wrote: >>>> On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 14:09:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 . >>>>> I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine. >>>>> debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved. >>>>> >>>>> I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation >>>>> media in >>>>> past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to copy >>>>> the iso >>>>> to the entire device. >>>> >>>> You do not need gparted to wipe them. Just write the ISO there with dd >>>> or cp. >>>> >>> >>> DUH! >>> I now have a minimal system installed. >>> I had forgotten that the installer doesn't recognize the USB device >>> T-Mobile >>> provides to connect to the cell network. They sell it as a WiFi >>> Hotspot but >>> I use it essentially as an old fashioned modem. I usually do installs >>> from >>> DVD1 of the set. After an install everything "Just works" ;/ >>> >>> Any one know exactly what I need to add that would normally just be >>> silently >>> installed. I just took it as part of "universal" in USB. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> What do lspci and lsusb report respectively? It's quite possible that you >> might need non-free firmware. >> > > The winner is > lsusb > Bus 002 Device 008: ID 1bbb:0195 T & A Mobile Phones > > Non-free is enabled in sources.list of my working system. > How do I identify the crucial piece of software? Just checked Synaptic on my running system. I have *NO* non-free-firmware installed.
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| From | Keith Bainbridge <ke1thozgroups@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 00:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOm9J-11m-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232284 |
On 3/3/21 08:42, Richard Owlett wrote: > > Any one know exactly what I need to add that would normally just be > silently installed. I just took it as part of "universal" in USB. I'd suggest using a live non-free ISO and then install any necessary drivers - downloaded to a device connected to the net. -- Keith Bainbridge ke1thozgroups@gmx.com
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 10:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOvZn-778-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232288 |
On 03/02/2021 04:50 PM, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> On 3/3/21 08:42, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>> Any one know exactly what I need to add that would normally just be
>> silently installed. I just took it as part of "universal" in USB.
>
>
> I'd suggest using a live non-free ISO and then install any necessary
> drivers - downloaded to a device connected to the net.
>
1. My working system has no non-free drivers installed.
2. I'm pushing at my data cap {including unused from previous months}.
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 15:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOAPo-1z4-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232302 |
On 3/3/21 1:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 2. I'm pushing at my data cap {including unused from previous months}.
Have you considered setting up a local package proxy server? I used
approx(8) in the past, and believe there are other choices:
https://packages.debian.org/buster/approx
David
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| From | Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 16:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOBLr-28n-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232308 |
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 06:35:00 -0800
David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
> On 3/3/21 1:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> > 2. I'm pushing at my data cap {including unused from previous months}.
>
> Have you considered setting up a local package proxy server? I used
> approx(8) in the past, and believe there are other choices:
>
> https://packages.debian.org/buster/approx
There are, notably apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng. I use the latter, and
I'm very happy with it - one generally doesn't notice it's there.
Celejar
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 16:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOBLs-28n-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232308 |
On 03/03/2021 08:35 AM, David Christensen wrote:
> On 3/3/21 1:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> 2. I'm pushing at my data cap {including unused from previous months}.
>
> Have you considered setting up a local package proxy server? I used
> approx(8) in the past, and believe there are other choices:
>
> https://packages.debian.org/buster/approx
>
I don't have a LAN of _any_ description. But do have plentiful disk
space. Might I be able to use something like apt-offline?
Thanks.
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 22:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOHnQ-5Mx-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232314 |
On 3/3/21 7:36 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/03/2021 08:35 AM, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 3/3/21 1:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>>> 2. I'm pushing at my data cap {including unused from previous months}.
>>
>> Have you considered setting up a local package proxy server? I used
>> approx(8) in the past, and believe there are other choices:
>>
>> https://packages.debian.org/buster/approx
>>
>
> I don't have a LAN of _any_ description. But do have plentiful disk
> space. Might I be able to use something like apt-offline?
This is related to my recent reply to a fork of this thread. You want a
LAN. The residential gateways provided by internet service providers
typically include Wi-Fi and 4 Gigabit ports, which is sufficient for a
small LAN.
David
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 23:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOHHb-5VT-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232326 |
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:38:20 -0800
David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
> On 3/3/21 7:36 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 03/03/2021 08:35 AM, David Christensen wrote:
> >> On 3/3/21 1:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>
> >>> 2. I'm pushing at my data cap {including unused from previous
> >>> months}.
> >>
> >> Have you considered setting up a local package proxy server? I
> >> used approx(8) in the past, and believe there are other choices:
> >>
> >> https://packages.debian.org/buster/approx
> >>
> >
> > I don't have a LAN of _any_ description. But do have plentiful disk
> > space. Might I be able to use something like apt-offline?
>
> This is related to my recent reply to a fork of this thread. You
> want a LAN. The residential gateways provided by internet service
> providers typically include Wi-Fi and 4 Gigabit ports, which is
> sufficient for a small LAN.
I think 90% of the OP's problems stem from the fact that he does not
have good Internet service. In fact, I get the impression of dial-up.
I would expect that if he was able to acquire good Internet
connectivity, the cost would be far outweighed by the saving in IT
unpleasantness, and he would do so, and that therefore there is some
impediment.
--
Joe
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-04 13:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOUO5-5Kf-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232328 |
On 03/03/2021 03:53 PM, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:38:20 -0800
> David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/21 7:36 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 03/03/2021 08:35 AM, David Christensen wrote:
>>>> On 3/3/21 1:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2. I'm pushing at my data cap {including unused from previous
>>>>> months}.
>>>>
>>>> Have you considered setting up a local package proxy server? I
>>>> used approx(8) in the past, and believe there are other choices:
>>>>
>>>> https://packages.debian.org/buster/approx
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't have a LAN of _any_ description. But do have plentiful disk
>>> space. Might I be able to use something like apt-offline?
>>
>> This is related to my recent reply to a fork of this thread. You
>> want a LAN. The residential gateways provided by internet service
>> providers typically include Wi-Fi and 4 Gigabit ports, which is
>> sufficient for a small LAN.
>
> I think 90% of the OP's problems stem from the fact that he does not
> have good Internet service.
I'm not aware of any germane issue with my internet service, nor with my
ISP.
> In fact, I get the impression of dial-up.
I had only dial-up until about a decade ago. Still remember using an
acoustic coupler in the 70's ;/
>
> I would expect that if he was able to acquire good Internet
> connectivity, the cost would be far outweighed by the saving in IT
> unpleasantness, and he would do so, and that therefore there is some
> impediment.
>
My universe consists of:
1. myself.
2. a laptop onto which I wish to install Debian using a netinst.iso .
3. an Alcatel Linkzone sold me by T-Mobile, my ISP.
T-Mobile erroneously ASSUMES that *all* customers will use it as a
WiFi Hotspot to create a LAN of up to 15 devices.
I, however, disable the WiFi as that function has *NO* value to me.
4. Debian, absent *ANY* non-free drivers, which is slightly schizoid
in that:
a. it will happily connect to internet if it was installed from an
image of DVD1.
b. it fails to install completely if using the netinst.iso .
5. the internet.
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-03-04 13:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOVh7-6fA-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232347 |
On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 05:54 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > 3. an Alcatel Linkzone sold me by T-Mobile, my ISP. > T-Mobile erroneously ASSUMES that *all* customers will use it as a > WiFi Hotspot to create a LAN of up to 15 devices. > I, however, disable the WiFi as that function has *NO* value to me. Do you actually use the portability of the Alcatel Linkzone? If not (and I know things look easier in hindsight) perhaps you shouldn't have let them sell you it and bought a more suitable device, like a router with a 4G SIM slot. A quick search on Amazon shows your device for 54GBP and a TPLink 4G router [1] with 4 ethernet ports at 74GBP (prices with 20% sales TAX). You'd have to make sure what you bought worked with the variant of 4G your country/ISP uses, but I'm sure you could find out online what other people in your situation use. [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/TL-MR6400-Unlocked-Configuration-Required-External/dp/B016ZWXYXG/ -- Tixy
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-04 14:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOVKb-6qr-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232348 |
On 03/04/2021 06:27 AM, Tixy wrote: > On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 05:54 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: >> 3. an Alcatel Linkzone sold me by T-Mobile, my ISP. >> T-Mobile erroneously ASSUMES that *all* customers will use it as a >> WiFi Hotspot to create a LAN of up to 15 devices. >> I, however, disable the WiFi as that function has *NO* value to me. > > Do you actually use the portability of the Alcatel Linkzone? If not > (and I know things look easier in hindsight) perhaps you shouldn't have > let them sell you it and bought a more suitable device, like a router > with a 4G SIM slot. *ROFL**ROFL* <GRIN> I had an explicit requirement for portability. I had seen a device with the form factor of a USB flash drive which was effectively a modem for a cellular network. T-Mobile had the only competent salesman in the county. He recognized the device and why I would actively look for one. The closest he could come was the predecessor of my current device. Both devices were very satisfactory except the first failed in ~2 years. > > A quick search on Amazon shows your device for 54GBP and a TPLink 4G > router [1] with 4 ethernet ports at 74GBP (prices with 20% sales TAX). > You'd have to make sure what you bought worked with the variant of 4G > your country/ISP uses, but I'm sure you could find out online what > other people in your situation use. > > [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/TL-MR6400-Unlocked-Configuration-Required-External/dp/B016ZWXYXG/ >
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2021-03-04 17:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOZ1o-fW-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232347 |
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-03-04 05:54 (UTC-0600): > David Christensen wrote: >> I think 90% of the OP's problems stem from the fact that he does not >> have good Internet service. > I'm not aware of any germane issue with my internet service, nor with my > ISP. I suspect David was equating bad internet service with a data cap such as would cause one to purchase Debian media instead of downloading without having to consider a cap, as would I. > My universe consists of: > 1. myself. > 2. a laptop onto which I wish to install Debian using a netinst.iso . > 3. an Alcatel Linkzone sold me by T-Mobile, my ISP. > T-Mobile erroneously ASSUMES that *all* customers will use it as a > WiFi Hotspot to create a LAN of up to 15 devices. > I, however, disable the WiFi as that function has *NO* value to me. > 4. Debian, absent *ANY* non-free drivers, which is slightly schizoid > in that: > a. it will happily connect to internet if it was installed from an > image of DVD1. > b. it fails to install completely if using the netinst.iso . > 5. the internet. I could have sworn you recently mentioned having two computers. :p I suppose this universe has from 0-1 TVs, none of which use Roku or Fire TV, or are a smart TV, to 'cut the "cable TV" cord'. Most of the newer models of these devices can use a wireless connection to an internet router, or a "hotspot", some only via wireless. I never needed wireless either, until I moved recently, into a house with TV cable ports in the wrong places that would cost big money to have relocated. I can't recall ever downloading a Debian DVD .iso. Usually I download only an installation linux and initrd.gz, not the similarly meager netinst.iso. Either way has usually worked for me on the first try for unstable, always first try for stable. I can only imagine frustration trying to install or keep updated using a capped internet connection. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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