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| Started by | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-02-23 09:40 +0100 |
| Last post | 2021-03-03 19:00 +0100 |
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need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-02-23 09:40 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-23 16:30 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-02-23 16:40 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 10:20 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 13:20 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 15:00 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 17:20 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 17:40 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 19:10 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-03-01 04:20 +0100
Invariants [was: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-01 09:50 +0100
OT (was: Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-03-01 14:30 +0100
Re: OT (was: Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day) Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-03-01 14:40 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 13:40 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-02-28 12:40 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-03-01 10:10 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-03-01 15:10 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 11:00 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-03-03 14:10 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 16:10 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 17:50 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 18:10 +0100
Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 19:00 +0100
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| From | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-23 09:40 +0100 |
| Subject | need to reinstall pulseaudio every day |
| Message-ID | <BLBoC-7i2-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
hi,
the problem is exactly what says my subject.
every morning, ls /usr/bin/pulseaudio gives:
ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/pulseaudio': No such file or directory
and I must issue "aptitude reinstall pulseaudio"
I plan to put the ls command every minute to find when it disappears,
unless somebody can give me an axplanation (and a fix...)
best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-02-23 16:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BLHNn-2Ef-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #231970 |
On Tue 23 Feb 2021 at 09:38:08 (+0100), Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> every morning, ls /usr/bin/pulseaudio gives:
> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/pulseaudio': No such file or directory
> and I must issue "aptitude reinstall pulseaudio" I plan to put the ls
> command every minute to find when it disappears,
> unless somebody can give me an axplanation (and a fix...)
When did this start to happen?
. for years?
. since installation?
Is this buster?
Are you running any applications, particularly those involving sound,
as root, particularly in response to some previous problem?
Is it just that binary that goes missing, or does apt/dpkg actually
show that the entire package is uninstalled?
The pulseaudio package contains about 216 files. Have they all gone,
or just the one binary? (Run $ dpkg -L pulseaudio to list them.)
Cheers,
David.
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| From | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-23 16:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BLHX3-2Hk-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #231982 |
On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, David Wright wrote: > > When did this start to happen? > . for years? > . since installation? > > Is this buster? > > Are you running any applications, particularly those involving sound, > as root, particularly in response to some previous problem? > > Is it just that binary that goes missing, or does apt/dpkg actually > show that the entire package is uninstalled? > > The pulseaudio package contains about 216 files. Have they all gone, > or just the one binary? (Run $ dpkg -L pulseaudio to list them.) hi David, I'll answer to-morrow. Meantime, may-be my every minute check will have given some usefull information best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel
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| From | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-24 10:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BLYuR-4ux-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #231982 |
On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, David Wright wrote:
> Is this buster?
yes
> Are you running any applications, particularly those involving sound,
> as root, particularly in response to some previous problem?
no
>
> Is it just that binary that goes missing, or does apt/dpkg actually
> show that the entire package is uninstalled?
I can't answer that now, because I run
"ls -l /usr/bin/pulseaudio" every minute to find when it disappears,
and curiously, it didn't disappear this night
I'll see what happens after removing the ls command in cron.
best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-24 13:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BM1j4-6ab-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232015 |
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 3:18 AM Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
wrote:
> ....
> I can't answer that now, because I run
> "ls -l /usr/bin/pulseaudio" every minute to find when it disappears,
> and curiously, it didn't disappear this night
>
Quantum physics principles manifest in software, seen it before. The closer
you look, the more dice you have to roll ☺
I'll see what happens after removing the ls command in cron.
>
> best regards,
> --
> Pierre Frenkiel
>
>
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| From | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-24 15:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BM2RP-6Wu-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232021 |
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> Quantum physics principles manifest in software, seen it before. The closer
> you look, the more dice you have to roll
>
but according Einstein, God doesn't play dice
it seems he was wrong, this time
best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-24 17:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BM53k-8py-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232025 |
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 7:57 AM Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > > Quantum physics principles manifest in software, seen it before. The > closer > > you look, the more dice you have to roll > > > but according Einstein, God doesn't play dice > it seems he was wrong, this time > But of course Einstein said that in response to the work of Heisenberg and Bohr. Which was also quite experimental as well as theoretical. Probability is predictive at the sub-atomic level. best regards, > -- > Pierre Frenkiel > >
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-24 17:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BM5mG-8vG-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232036 |
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 10:16 AM Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 7:57 AM Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: >> >> > Quantum physics principles manifest in software, seen it before. The >> closer >> > you look, the more dice you have to roll >> > >> but according Einstein, God doesn't play dice >> it seems he was wrong, this time >> > > But of course Einstein said that in response to the work of Heisenberg and > Bohr. Which was also quite experimental as well as theoretical. Probability > is predictive at the sub-atomic level. > In Schrödinger's Equation of quantum physics, "in practice, the square of the absolute value of the wave function at each point is taken to define a probability density function". best regards, >> -- >> Pierre Frenkiel >> >
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| From | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-24 19:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BM6LM-14M-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232040 |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > In Schrödinger's Equation of quantum physics, "in practice, the square of > the absolute value of the wave function at each point is taken to define a > probability density function". the situation is rather complex now, after the experiments following the Bell's inequalities. For example, a lot of people think now that in the Schrodinger's cat experiment, the cat is actually alive or dead, before anybody open the door. best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-01 04:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BNHge-1AW-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232047 |
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 12:05 PM Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > > In Schrödinger's Equation of quantum physics, "in practice, the square of > > the absolute value of the wave function at each point is taken to define > a > > probability density function". > > the situation is rather complex now, after the experiments following > the Bell's inequalities. > For example, a lot of people think now that in the Schrodinger's cat > experiment, the cat is actually alive or dead, before anybody open the > door. > But of course death is invariant to physics. In fact it makes the physics clearer without altering it in any way. Yet your pulseaudio has disappeared again. So it must result from human activity. The question remains, which human? You or others? ☺ Hint: You know you're getting old when you find your 2nd wife on dating sites 😂 best regards, > -- > Pierre Frenkiel
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-03-01 09:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Invariants [was: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day] |
| Message-ID | <BNMpA-4ye-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232223 |
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 09:16:34PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: [...] > But of course death is invariant to physics. In fact it makes the physics > clearer without altering it in any way. And then, "science advances one funeral at a time", attributed, IIRC to Max Planck, a... physicist. It seems they banded up all together to get us :-) Cheers - t
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2021-03-01 14:30 +0100 |
| Subject | OT (was: Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day) |
| Message-ID | <BNQMy-7l8-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232223 |
On Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:16:34 PM Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > Hint: You know you're getting old when you find your 2nd wife on dating > sites 😂 I hope that is your 2nd ex-wife ;-)
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-01 14:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT (was: Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day) |
| Message-ID | <BNQWe-7o8-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232238 |
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On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, 7:22 AM <rhkramer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:16:34 PM Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > Hint: You know you're getting old when you find your 2nd wife on dating > > sites 😂 > > I hope that is your 2nd ex-wife ;-) > Well of course "ex-wife". Do I look like a Mormon polygamist?? Do I like the Utah wilderness?? Polygamist is a Greek word FYI 😃 My 3rd grade teacher was Mormon... >
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| From | IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-24 13:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BM1Cp-6gN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232015 |
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> > > I can't answer that now, because I run > "ls -l /usr/bin/pulseaudio" every minute to find when it disappears, > and curiously, it didn't disappear this night > I'll see what happens after removing the ls command in cron. > You could use ``inotify-tools`` https://packages.debian.org/en/buster/inotify-tools They are based on kernel inotify api: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify
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| From | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-02-28 12:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BNsAx-YO-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #231982 |
On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, David Wright wrote: > Is this buster? yes > Are you running any applications, particularly those involving sound, > as root, particularly in response to some previous problem? no > Is it just that binary that goes missing, or does apt/dpkg actually > show that the entire package is uninstalled? > > The pulseaudio package contains about 216 files. Have they all gone, > or just the one binary? (Run $ dpkg -L pulseaudio to list them.) I can answer today, as /usr/bin/pulseaudio was not there this morning: It's the only missing files. All other files of the package are still there. I'll enable again my monitoring every minute, hoping that observing a process will not modify it, as in quantum physics. best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel
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| From | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-01 10:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BNMIW-4VC-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232201 |
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021, mick crane wrote: > That is a bit weird. Is it an actual file and not a link ? it's a file. Since I re-enabled my monitoring, it didn't disappear. wait and see... best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2021-03-01 15:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BNRpf-7N5-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232227 |
Pierre Frenkiel (pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2021, mick crane wrote:
>
> > That is a bit weird. Is it an actual file and not a link ?
>
> it's a file. Since I re-enabled my monitoring, it didn't disappear.
> wait and see...
Have you done *any* basic, proactive analysis yet?
ls -ld / /usr /usr/bin /usr/bin/pulseaudio
sudo grep -ri pulse /etc/crontab /etc/cron.* /var/spool/cron
find /lib/systemd /var/lib/systemd /etc/systemd -name '*.timer' \
-exec grep -i pulse /dev/null {} +
The first one should give 4 lines of output. Show them.
The latter two don't give any output on my system. If they give anything
on yours, show it. And then investigate it. And then tell us what you
learned.
If you can think of any other places from which an automatic or timed job
might run and do *ANYTHING AT ALL* involving pulseaudio, investigate it.
And then tell us what it was, how you investigated it, and what you
learned.
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| From | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 11:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOwsq-7hm-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232242 |
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> ls -ld / /usr /usr/bin /usr/bin/pulseaudio
drwxr-xr-x 39 root root 4096 Jul 13 2019 /
drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 Jul 7 2017 /usr
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 86016 Jul 7 2017 /usr/bin
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 95688 Aug 15 2019 /usr/bin/pulseaudio
>
> sudo grep -ri pulse /etc/crontab /etc/cron.* /var/spool/cron
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/frenkiel:# 0-59/1 * * * * pulse-check >> ~frenkiel/log/pulse 2>&1
>
> find /lib/systemd /var/lib/systemd /etc/systemd -name '*.timer' \
> -exec grep -i pulse /dev/null {} +
>
grep: /etc/systemd/system/timers.target.wants/phpsessionclean.timer: No such file or directory
> If you can think of any other places from which an automatic or timed job
> might run and do *ANYTHING AT ALL* involving pulseaudio, investigate it.
> And then tell us what it was, how you investigated it, and what you
> learned.
I found no other places involving pulseaudio.
Anyway, it didn't disapear since several days ...
thanks for tour help.
best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 14:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOzqi-Rb-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232304 |
Pierre Frenkiel (pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com) wrote:
> > ls -ld / /usr /usr/bin /usr/bin/pulseaudio
>
> drwxr-xr-x 39 root root 4096 Jul 13 2019 /
> drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 Jul 7 2017 /usr
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 86016 Jul 7 2017 /usr/bin
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 95688 Aug 15 2019 /usr/bin/pulseaudio
> >
> > sudo grep -ri pulse /etc/crontab /etc/cron.* /var/spool/cron
>
> /var/spool/cron/crontabs/frenkiel:# 0-59/1 * * * * pulse-check >> ~frenkiel/log/pulse 2>&1
> >
> > find /lib/systemd /var/lib/systemd /etc/systemd -name '*.timer' \
> > -exec grep -i pulse /dev/null {} +
> >
> grep: /etc/systemd/system/timers.target.wants/phpsessionclean.timer: No such file or directory
OK, it's good that we can rule out some of the possible causes, like
"permissions are wrong on /usr/bin" or "there's a cron job that
deletes it every week". We're still left with a mystery, but it's
slightly smaller now.
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| From | Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-03-03 16:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BOBiq-1YN-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #232307 |
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021, Greg Wooledge wrote: > OK, it's good that we can rule out some of the possible causes, like > "permissions are wrong on /usr/bin" or "there's a cron job that > deletes it every week". We're still left with a mystery, but it's > slightly smaller now. actually, it's still a mystery, as I changed nothing in my configuration and pulseaudio no more disapears! best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel
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