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  Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-02-23 13:10 +0100
    Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-02-23 13:40 +0100
      Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-02-23 13:50 +0100
        Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-23 14:10 +0100
          Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-02-23 16:10 +0100
            Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-02-23 21:40 +0100
              Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-23 22:20 +0100
                Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-02-23 22:30 +0100
                Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 10:10 +0100
                  Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-24 14:50 +0100
                    Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 15:30 +0100
    Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-23 14:10 +0100

#231973 — Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day

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fm+deb+user@phosphorusnetworks.com (12021-02-23):
> maybe change your disk, but for now, try:
> 
> # chattr +i /usr/bin/pulseaudio
> 
> and see if it continues disappearing.

And if somebody has an ache somewhere, they should just take
painkillers?

Fixing the symptom without understanding the issue is rarely a good
idea, especially with an unsubtle heavy handed measure.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#231975

Nicolas George (george@nsup.org) wrote:
> fm+deb+user@phosphorusnetworks.com (12021-02-23):
> > maybe change your disk, but for now, try:
> > 
> > # chattr +i /usr/bin/pulseaudio
> > 
> > and see if it continues disappearing.
> 
> And if somebody has an ache somewhere, they should just take
> painkillers?
> 
> Fixing the symptom without understanding the issue is rarely a good
> idea, especially with an unsubtle heavy handed measure.

This *is* part of the diagnostics.  Preventing the deletion and then
watching the logs to see who complains may help you pinpoint the
culprit.  Or it may not.  But it's worth a try.

What's your better idea?  Don't just bad-mouth other people's suggestions
if you have none of your own.

Other suggestions I might make would include:

ls -ld /usr/bin /usr/bin/pulseaudio  # (before the deletion)

If it turns out the permissions on /usr/bin are incorrect, that's a
thing you'll want to fix immediately.

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Greg Wooledge (12021-02-23):
> This *is* part of the diagnostics.  Preventing the deletion and then
> watching the logs to see who complains may help you pinpoint the
> culprit.  Or it may not.  But it's worth a try.

Watching the logs was not in the advice. With that addition, the advice
is reasonable. Without, it was terrible, as was "changing the disk".

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 01:40:22PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Greg Wooledge (12021-02-23):
> > This *is* part of the diagnostics.  Preventing the deletion and then
> > watching the logs to see who complains may help you pinpoint the
> > culprit.  Or it may not.  But it's worth a try.
> 
> Watching the logs was not in the advice. With that addition, the advice
> is reasonable. Without, it was terrible, as was "changing the disk".

[META] we are in violent agreement. Instead of saying "DON'T DO THIS",
I'd humbly propose to enhance that advice, then :)

Cheers
 - t

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Patient: Doctor when I move my arm this way, it hurts.
Doctor: Don't do that with your arm. Next!

☺

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 7:09 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 01:40:22PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Greg Wooledge (12021-02-23):
> > > This *is* part of the diagnostics.  Preventing the deletion and then
> > > watching the logs to see who complains may help you pinpoint the
> > > culprit.  Or it may not.  But it's worth a try.
> >
> > Watching the logs was not in the advice. With that addition, the advice
> > is reasonable. Without, it was terrible, as was "changing the disk".
>
> [META] we are in violent agreement. Instead of saying "DON'T DO THIS",
> I'd humbly propose to enhance that advice, then :)
>
> Cheers
>  - t
>

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#231992

On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

> Patient: Doctor when I move my arm this way, it hurts.
> Doctor: Don't do that with your arm. Next!

  very funny, but I don't see how it is related to my pulseaudio problem,
  unless you suggest to don't use it !

best regards,
-- 
Pierre Frenkiel

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#231993

Pierre Frenkiel wrote: 
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> 
> > Patient: Doctor when I move my arm this way, it hurts.
> > Doctor: Don't do that with your arm. Next!
> 
>  very funny, but I don't see how it is related to my pulseaudio problem,
>  unless you suggest to don't use it !

Could be an option. What do you need pulseaudio for that 
isn't handled by alsa, jack and/or apulse?

-dsr-

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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 3:13 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> >
> > > Patient: Doctor when I move my arm this way, it hurts.
> > > Doctor: Don't do that with your arm. Next!
> >
> >  very funny, but I don't see how it is related to my pulseaudio problem,
> >  unless you suggest to don't use it !
>
> Could be an option. What do you need pulseaudio for that
> isn't handled by alsa, jack and/or apulse?
>

And one reason I interjected that is dealing with software sound synthesis
and learning that whole sectors recommend ALSA and jack to the exclusion of
others. Often not just a recommendation but a requirement. I dont have an
axe to grind on that, just that's what "they tell me".

-dsr-
>
>

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#232013

On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Could be an option. What do you need pulseaudio for that
> isn't handled by alsa, jack and/or apulse?

it's needed to have sound on youtube.
I tried your other suggestions a long time ago, and could not make them to work.
I'll try again today

best regards,
-- 
Pierre Frenkiel

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#232023

Pierre Frenkiel wrote: 
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > Could be an option. What do you need pulseaudio for that
> > isn't handled by alsa, jack and/or apulse?
> 
> it's needed to have sound on youtube.
> I tried your other suggestions a long time ago, and could not make them to work.
> I'll try again today

Your best bet there is alsa with apulse to pretend that it's
PulseAudio.

-dsr-

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#232029

On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Your best bet there is alsa with apulse to pretend that it's
> PulseAudio.

  the main difference is that it took 15 seconds to install pulseaudio and make it
  to work, and after 15 minutes of fight, I'm unable to make apulse to work
  I don't see why I should waste time to to replace a working solution by
  a non-working one.

PS: now, I don't need to re-install. I cross fingers.

best regards,
-- 
Pierre Frenkiel

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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 01:07:10PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> fm+deb+user@phosphorusnetworks.com (12021-02-23):
> > maybe change your disk, but for now, try:
> > 
> > # chattr +i /usr/bin/pulseaudio
> > 
> > and see if it continues disappearing.
> 
> And if somebody has an ache somewhere, they should just take
> painkillers?
> 
> Fixing the symptom without understanding the issue is rarely a good
> idea, especially with an unsubtle heavy handed measure.

That's why I proposed looking into the logs. I've used it like this
as a diagnostic device.

Cheers
 - t

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