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  Serifed, variable-pitch font. peter@easthope.ca - 2021-02-16 06:00 +0100
    Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2021-02-16 09:30 +0100
      Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. peter@easthope.ca - 2021-02-17 17:30 +0100
    Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-16 10:00 +0100
      Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. peter@easthope.ca - 2021-02-17 17:40 +0100
        Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-17 18:10 +0100
          Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. peter@easthope.ca - 2021-02-18 21:40 +0100
            Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-18 21:50 +0100
              Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-02-18 22:00 +0100
                Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2021-02-18 23:30 +0100
            Re: Serifed, variable-pitch font. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-02-18 21:50 +0100

#231726 — Serifed, variable-pitch font.

What serifed, variable-pitch font is available to Firefox and most 
contemporary browsers?  I want to specify a font-family in inline 
styling.  Preferably to work in MacOS and MS Windows as well as Linux.

Thx,                  ... P.

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#231728

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On 16/02/2021 03:50, peter@easthope.ca wrote:
> What serifed, variable-pitch font is available to Firefox and most 
> contemporary browsers?  I want to specify a font-family in inline 
> styling.  Preferably to work in MacOS and MS Windows as well as Linux.

Not a definitive list, but running "fc-list | grep -i Serif" should get
you part of the way (Aside: fc-list is supposed to have a filter
language of its own, but examples are few and far between on the web, so
I couldn't work out how to do "has serifs AND is variable pitch").

If, by the phrase "most contemporary browsers" you're implying that
you're writing a web page and want to know what fonts other people might
have, then it's worth looking at the W3C's recommendations for Web Safe
Fonts <https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css_websafe_fonts.asp>.

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    From: Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk>
    Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:26:54 +0000
> ... worth looking at the W3C's recommendations for "Web Safe Fonts".

Helpful link.  Thanks Darac,                      ... P.
  



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On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 07:50:13PM -0800, peter@easthope.ca wrote:
> What serifed, variable-pitch font is available to Firefox and most 
> contemporary browsers?  I want to specify a font-family in inline 
> styling.  Preferably to work in MacOS and MS Windows as well as Linux.

If all you want is a serif font and care to be portable, your best
choice will be to specify a generic "serif", like so:

  font-family: serif

You can be more specific, though. People will tell you things like
brand recognition and all that. If you have no strong reason, the
above is the friendliest, because it'll leave the rest up to the
user's preferences.

The gory details are well explained here [1].

And oh, if you end up referencing a web font out there, consider
using a free one and hosting it yourself. If you refer to one
"out there" (perhaps --GASP!-- the google), think about how you
are selling your user's data for nothing in return (to them!).

Cheers

[1] https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_font.asp

 - t

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#231801

    From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
    Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 09:57:24 +0100
> If all you want is a serif font and care to be portable, your best
> choice will be to specify a generic "serif", like so:
> 
>   font-family: serif

Will try that, thanks.  

Really, two attributes are involved: serifing and spacing.
Specification of both should be possible.  Eg. 
font-family: serif & monospace
font-family: sans-serif & monospace
font-family: serif & varispace
font-family: sans-serif & varispace

The syntax I've seen allows only one attribute: either spacing or 
sarifing.  And varispace is not included.  A CSS committee might be 
working on it; bit by bit.

Thanks,                     ... P.

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On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 07:52:33AM -0800, peter@easthope.ca wrote:
>     From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
>     Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 09:57:24 +0100
> > If all you want is a serif font and care to be portable, your best
> > choice will be to specify a generic "serif", like so:
> > 
> >   font-family: serif
> 
> Will try that, thanks.  
> 
> Really, two attributes are involved: serifing and spacing.
> Specification of both should be possible.  Eg. 
> font-family: serif & monospace
> font-family: sans-serif & monospace
> font-family: serif & varispace
> font-family: sans-serif & varispace

Note that in this context, 'serif' isn't an attribute, but a "generic
font family". Namely the one where you'll find Times and sisters.

So unless the browser is downright malicious it'll pick a non-monospaced
font. If it's malicious, its user will hopefully know...

Cheers
 - t

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    From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
    Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 18:08:05 +0100
> So unless the browser is downright malicious it'll pick a non-monospaced
> font. If it's malicious, its user will hopefully know...

OK, the meaning in CSS is more than the conventional meaning.
For varispaced and serifed, "font-family: serif". 

For monospaced and serifed, "font-family: monospace".  (Courier 
is a likely result.)

For varispaced sans-serifed, "font-family: sans-serif". 

For monospaced sans-serifed, name specific fonts.  Eg. 
"font-family: 'Cascadia Code', 'HyperFont'"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monospaced_typefaces

Workable although slightly weird.

Thx,                            ... P.

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On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:26:16AM -0800, peter@easthope.ca wrote:
>     From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
>     Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 18:08:05 +0100
> > So unless the browser is downright malicious it'll pick a non-monospaced
> > font. If it's malicious, its user will hopefully know...
> 
> OK, the meaning in CSS is more than the conventional meaning.
> For varispaced and serifed, "font-family: serif". 

More or less, yes :-)

> Workable although slightly weird.

The whole WWW is... weird.

Cheers
 - t

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#231839

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 21:40:17 +0100
<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:26:16AM -0800, peter@easthope.ca wrote:
> >     From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
> >     Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 18:08:05 +0100  
> > > So unless the browser is downright malicious it'll pick a
> > > non-monospaced font. If it's malicious, its user will hopefully
> > > know...  
> > 
> > OK, the meaning in CSS is more than the conventional meaning.
> > For varispaced and serifed, "font-family: serif".   
> 
> More or less, yes :-)
> 
> > Workable although slightly weird.  
> 
> The whole WWW is... weird.

There can't be many protocols which have been stretched and bodged so
far beyond their original purpose as html.

-- 
Joe

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#231842

FWIW, "proportional" or "typographic" would be more conventional terms 
than "variable pitch."

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(Feel free to visit me some Saturday at the International Printing 
Museum. After COVID-19 is no longer an existential threat, but merely a 
minor nuisance.)

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#231838

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 11:26:16 -0800
peter@easthope.ca wrote:

>     From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
>     Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 18:08:05 +0100
> > So unless the browser is downright malicious it'll pick a
> > non-monospaced font. If it's malicious, its user will hopefully
> > know...  
> 
> OK, the meaning in CSS is more than the conventional meaning.
> For varispaced and serifed, "font-family: serif". 
> 
> For monospaced and serifed, "font-family: monospace".  (Courier 
> is a likely result.)
> 
> For varispaced sans-serifed, "font-family: sans-serif". 
> 
> For monospaced sans-serifed, name specific fonts.  Eg. 
> "font-family: 'Cascadia Code', 'HyperFont'"
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monospaced_typefaces
> 
> Workable although slightly weird.
> 

It's probably that way because there aren't that many applications for
monospaced fonts in web pages. Program code is normally shown in a
monospaced font to make typos easier to see, and columns of numbers
spring to mind, but some proportional fonts have monospaced digits for
just this purpose.

-- 
Joe

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