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  debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-02-01 22:50 +0100
    Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2021-02-02 13:50 +0100
      Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly Michael Turner <dturn357@gmail.com> - 2021-02-02 21:10 +0100
        Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-02 21:20 +0100
          Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-03 00:00 +0100
          Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly RP <reyadmin@gmail.com> - 2021-02-03 00:10 +0100
        Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-02 21:20 +0100
        Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-02-02 21:30 +0100
        Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-02-02 22:10 +0100
          Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-03 09:50 +0100
          Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2021-02-03 13:40 +0100
        Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-02-02 22:10 +0100

#231327 — debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users,
and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. 

Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works:

* The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing 
  lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french 

* It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example,
  from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when 
  English is not their primary language. Please be considerate.

* The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both 
  the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct

 https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
 https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct

* This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an
  answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so
  others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who
  may be following along on the list or reading the archives later.

* Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time.
  It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided.

 * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not
   welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments
   do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't
   assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a
   Debian list.

* There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this
  list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

* One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of
  the form: 
  "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email.
   Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail"
  
  Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially 
  cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to
  ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this
  may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" 
  see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Problems?
=========

Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the
Debian Community Team <community@debian.org>.

Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad
behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.

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#231340

On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 09:43:50PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users,
> and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. 
> 
> Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works:
[...]

May I suggest a few additions?  Feel free to word them how you like.

 * I received some spam from the list.  What do I do with it?

 * How do I unsubscribe?

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#231343

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 How do I unsubscribe?

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 4:49 AM Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 09:43:50PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users,
> > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics.
> >
> > Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works:
> [...]
>
> May I suggest a few additions?  Feel free to word them how you like.
>
>  * I received some spam from the list.  What do I do with it?
>
>  * How do I unsubscribe?
>
>

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#231344

Michael Turner wrote: 
>  How do I unsubscribe?
> 

The headers of this and every other message on the list include:

List-Id: <debian-user.lists.debian.org>
List-URL: <https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/>
List-Post: <mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe>

So you should send a message to
debian-user-request@list.debian.org
with the subject line
unsubscribe

-dsr-

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#231353

RP wrote: 
> Your domain is wrong.  Should be @lists.debian.org

Thank you, I've never been corrected so politely before.

-dsr-

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#231354

Your domain is wrong.  Should be @lists.debian.org

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#231345

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On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 12:01:40PM -0800, Michael Turner wrote:
>  How do I unsubscribe?

Look at the headers of a mail you get from the mailing list.

Among them, there's one roughly looking like this:

  List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe>

It's telling you to send a mail to

  debian-user-request@lists.debian.org

with the subject 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes).

You'll receive a confirmation request mail. Follow the instructions.

This works for most mailing lists.

Cheers
-- tomás

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#231346

On Tue 02 Feb 2021 at 12:01:40 -0800, Michael Turner wrote:

>  How do I unsubscribe?

You are capable of using a search engine? Search for

  unsubscribe "debian-user"

I think Greg Wooledg has made his point.

-- 
Brian.

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#231348

On Tue 02 Feb 2021 at 13:14:35 -0700, Charles Curley wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:01:40 -0800
> Michael Turner <dturn357@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > How do I unsubscribe?
> 
> Hmmm, is this becoming a FAQ?....
> 
> In the headers of emails sent from many list servers you will find a

Users do not read email headers. Many do not even know they exist.

-- 
Brian.

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#231372

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On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 01:57:19PM -0800, Rey Paderna wrote:
> I think the most obvious method is to go to
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/, put your email and then
> unsubscribe.  Unfortunately this method does not work.

"Does not work" does not compute. Please, folks. Pretty please.
If you have any interest in things getting fixed, go do your
part.

Describe what "isn't working" for you. Go the extra mile. After
all, other people already went their extra 10 (or 100, or 1000)
miles /for your convenience/.

Furrfu.

Cheers
 - t

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#231373

On 02/02/2021 18:07, Brian wrote:
> Users do not read email headers. Many do not even know they exist. 

That is true, but MUAs can detect the List-Unsubscribe header and offer 
a button to unsubscribe.

Even gmail, which has very particular (and wrong) opinions on how email 
should work supposedly offers this options when that header is present.


-- 
Q:	What's the difference between Bell Labs and the Boy Scouts of America?
A:	The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
eduardo@kalinowski.com.br

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#231349

On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:01:40 -0800
Michael Turner <dturn357@gmail.com> wrote:

> How do I unsubscribe?

Hmmm, is this becoming a FAQ?....

In the headers of emails sent from many list servers you will find a
heading something like:

List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Most mail readers will show you the headers with control-h.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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