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Odd behavior of Debian 10.7 with MATE desktop

Started byRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
First post2021-02-01 13:50 +0100
Last post2021-02-02 02:40 +0100
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  Odd behavior of Debian 10.7 with MATE desktop Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-02-01 13:50 +0100
    Re: Odd behavior of Debian 10.7 with MATE desktop "Gareth Evans" <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2021-02-01 15:50 +0100
      Re: Odd behavior of Debian 10.7 with MATE desktop Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-02-01 16:50 +0100
        Re: Odd behavior of Debian 10.7 with MATE desktop songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-01 21:50 +0100
          Re: Odd behavior of Debian 10.7 with MATE desktop Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-02-02 01:30 +0100
    Re: Odd behavior of Debian 10.7 with MATE desktop David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-02-02 02:40 +0100

#231319 — Odd behavior of Debian 10.7 with MATE desktop

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2021-02-01 13:50 +0100
SubjectOdd behavior of Debian 10.7 with MATE desktop
Message-ID<BDGOt-7aU-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
I have just installed Debian 10.7 to my Lenovo T510 Thinkpad having 
copied debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso to a flash drive [the machine is 
intentionally isolated from the internet].

When logging in as user, everything appears normal.

*HOWEVER* when logged in as "root" the desktop *DOES NOT*:
   1. display a folder titled "root's Home"
   2. display icons for files in /root/Desktop
   3. display icons for file systems mounted when plugging in a flash
      drive [although Caja properly shows them to be in /media/root]

Any ideas? Is this a known bug?
TIA

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#231321

From"Gareth Evans" <donotspam@fastmail.fm>
Date2021-02-01 15:50 +0100
Message-ID<BDIGC-8jg-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#231319
On Mon, 1 Feb 2021, at 12:46, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have just installed Debian 10.7 to my Lenovo T510 Thinkpad having 
> copied debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso to a flash drive [the machine is 
> intentionally isolated from the internet].
> 
> When logging in as user, everything appears normal.
> 
> *HOWEVER* when logged in as "root" the desktop *DOES NOT*:
>    1. display a folder titled "root's Home"
>    2. display icons for files in /root/Desktop
>    3. display icons for file systems mounted when plugging in a flash
>       drive [although Caja properly shows them to be in /media/root]
> 
> Any ideas? Is this a known bug?
> TIA

I accidentally replied to Richard off-list - below for future ref...

> Hi Richard,
> 
> Comments in the below say it's to prevent sudo/su invocations of caja 
> from taking over the desktop, but icons can be made to appear with with 
> 
> caja --force-desktop
> 
> https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/issues/871
> 
> Some problems were caused with menus/dialogs though, as discussed in the link.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Gareth

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#231322

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2021-02-01 16:50 +0100
Message-ID<BDJCF-pX-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#231321
On 02/01/2021 08:47 AM, Gareth Evans wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021, at 12:46, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I have just installed Debian 10.7 to my Lenovo T510 Thinkpad having
>> copied debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso to a flash drive [the machine is
>> intentionally isolated from the internet].
>>
>> When logging in as user, everything appears normal.
>>
>> *HOWEVER* when logged in as "root" the desktop *DOES NOT*:
>>     1. display a folder titled "root's Home"
>>     2. display icons for files in /root/Desktop
>>     3. display icons for file systems mounted when plugging in a flash
>>        drive [although Caja properly shows them to be in /media/root]
>>
>> Any ideas? Is this a known bug?
>> TIA
> 
> I accidentally replied to Richard off-list - below for future ref...

If that was worst mistake I ever made .... <GRIN!>

> 
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Comments in the below say it's to prevent sudo/su invocations of caja
>> from taking over the desktop, but icons can be made to appear with with
>>
>> caja --force-desktop
>>
>> https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/issues/871
>>
>> Some problems were caused with menus/dialogs though, as discussed in the link.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Gareth

Thanks for the link.
As I categorically avoid *ANY* use of "sudo", I'll have to experiment to 
see if the recommended use of "caja --force-desktop" might cause me grief.

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#231325

Fromsongbird <songbird@anthive.com>
Date2021-02-01 21:50 +0100
Message-ID<BDOiZ-3fF-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#231322
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
> Thanks for the link.
> As I categorically avoid *ANY* use of "sudo", I'll have to experiment to 
> see if the recommended use of "caja --force-desktop" might cause me grief.

  i was wondering if the difference could also be as the
root user may be set up without the adduser command vs. 
the user you are logging in with.

  however this is all a guess.  :)

  man adduser should tell you more details if this is
at all a part of what you are seeing.

  sorry, no time at the moment to go read up on mate
bugs.


  songbird

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#231329

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2021-02-02 01:30 +0100
Message-ID<BDRJU-5oP-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#231325
On 02/01/2021 02:37 PM, songbird wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> ...
>> Thanks for the link.
>> As I categorically avoid *ANY* use of "sudo", I'll have to experiment to
>> see if the recommended use of "caja --force-desktop" might cause me grief.
> 
>    i was wondering if the difference could also be as the
> root user may be set up without the adduser command vs.
> the user you are logging in with.

My gut says no. The only user creation takes place during the install of 
Debian.


> 
>    however this is all a guess.  :)
> 
>    man adduser should tell you more details if this is
> at all a part of what you are seeing.
> 
>    sorry, no time at the moment to go read up on mate
> bugs.
> 
> 
>    songbird
> 
> 
>

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#231330

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2021-02-02 02:40 +0100
Message-ID<BDSPD-60e-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#231319
On 2021-02-01 04:46, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have just installed Debian 10.7 to my Lenovo T510 Thinkpad having 
> copied debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso to a flash drive [the machine is 
> intentionally isolated from the internet].
> 
> When logging in as user, everything appears normal.
> 
> *HOWEVER* when logged in as "root" the desktop *DOES NOT*:
>    1. display a folder titled "root's Home"
>    2. display icons for files in /root/Desktop
>    3. display icons for file systems mounted when plugging in a flash
>       drive [although Caja properly shows them to be in /media/root]
> 
> Any ideas? Is this a known bug?


So, you are logging in as root using the graphical desktop manager and 
arriving at a graphical desktop?  Most people recommend against that. 
It would not surprise me that some software refuses to run as root, as a 
security feature.


Instead, I use Terminal, su(1) to root, and add my public key to root's 
authorized_keys file.  Once I've done that, I can use ssh-agent(1) and 
ssh-add(1), enter my passphrase once, and then use ssh(1) to log in to 
any account on any networked machine that has my public key.


"SSH Mastery" by Lucas [1] is a worthwhile investment.


David


[1] https://mwl.io/nonfiction/tools#ssh

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