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  [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN basti <mailinglist@unix-solution.de> - 2021-01-25 20:20 +0100
    Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN Frank Michael Dienst <frank-michael@die-bleckeder.de> - 2021-01-25 22:20 +0100
      Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-01-26 00:00 +0100
        Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-01-26 03:10 +0100
          Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-01-26 11:10 +0100
      Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-01-26 00:40 +0100
        Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN basti <mailinglist@unix-solution.de> - 2021-01-26 10:10 +0100
          Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-01-26 18:40 +0100
    Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 09:30 +0100
      Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN basti <mailinglist@unix-solution.de> - 2021-01-26 10:10 +0100
        Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 11:40 +0100
        Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-01-26 13:40 +0100
          Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN basti <mailinglist@unix-solution.de> - 2021-01-26 14:10 +0100
            Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-01-26 16:40 +0100
              Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN basti <mailinglist@unix-solution.de> - 2021-01-26 16:50 +0100
                Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-01-26 17:30 +0100
                  Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN basti <mailinglist@unix-solution.de> - 2021-01-26 18:10 +0100
        Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-01-26 21:20 +0100

#231126 — [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

Hello,
at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
WAN in 2 months.
I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
I know I need 5GHz wifi.

Are there any recommends?

best regards

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Hi,


have a look to ubiquiti-AP.

https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-pro/

The AP-AC-Pro systems with two RJ45-connectors work with bonding up to 
2,5 Gbit.



Am 25.01.21 um 20:16 schrieb basti:
> Hello,
> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
> WAN in 2 months.
> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
>
> Are there any recommends?
>
> best regards
>
>

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#231153

Frank Michael Dienst wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> have a look to ubiquiti-AP.
> 
> https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-pro/
> 
> The AP-AC-Pro systems with two RJ45-connectors work with bonding up to 2,5
> Gbit.

Has Ubiquiti started complying with the GPL yet? They were
remarkably bad about it in years past, and I have not checked up
since.

-dsr-

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#231161

On 2021-01-25 14:53, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Frank Michael Dienst wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> have a look to ubiquiti-AP.
>>
>> https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-pro/
>>
>> The AP-AC-Pro systems with two RJ45-connectors work with bonding up to 2,5
>> Gbit.
> 
> Has Ubiquiti started complying with the GPL yet? They were
> remarkably bad about it in years past, and I have not checked up
> since.

AIUI the embedded Linux inside Ubiquiti products is "EdgeOS".


STFW I am not finding much.  This should be it:

https://github.com/EdgeOS/


But I am not a GitHub user and I am unable to determine if the above 
contains source code for Ubiquiti products (?).


If you are looking for GPL compliance by Ubiquiti, try contacting 
Ubiquiti.  Perhaps you will have better luck than I had with Seagate:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00698.html


David

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#231175

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On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 06:00:44PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:

[...]

> AIUI the embedded Linux inside Ubiquiti products is "EdgeOS".
> 
> 
> STFW I am not finding much.  This should be it:
> 
> https://github.com/EdgeOS/

As far as my search engineering [0] reaches for now, EdgeOS is
a derivarive [1] of Vyatta [2], which is a derivative [3] of...
Debian.

Since already Vyatta was an "open cores" model [4], and in the
meantime companies have been bought and sold, I can well imagine
that the Commons have been trampled on in the usual way.

Cheers

[0] Another term for "I don't know what I'm doing and will fall
   for the next low-hanging fake news".
[1] https://wiki.vyos.net/wiki/EdgeOS
[2] https://wiki.vyos.net/wiki/Vyatta
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyatta
[4] Sometimes, open core models work and are respectful of the
   "core". Most of the time, they don't.

 - t

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#231157

> Am 25.01.21 um 20:16 schrieb basti:
>> Hello,
>> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
>> WAN in 2 months.
>> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
>> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
>>
>> Are there any recommends?


On 2021-01-25 13:11, Frank Michael Dienst wrote:

 > have a look to ubiquiti-AP.
 >
 > https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-pro/
 >
 > The AP-AC-Pro systems with two RJ45-connectors work with bonding up to
 > 2,5 Gbit.


+1 for Ubiquiti UniFi products:

https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050130353-UniFi-UniFi-Overview


I started with one UniFi AP AC Lite and set it up with the built-in web 
interface.  It has worked flawlessly ever since.


But what I really wanted was the UniFi Network Controller.  The 
controller is what provides the "Uni" in UniFi.  It available as 
free-as-in-beer software, bundled in certain UniFi hardware products, 
and via third-party hosting providers.  I got a VPS (linode.com) and 
installed the Debian package.


I soon added a UniFi Security Gateway (USG).  This integrates with the 
controller and adds network control and monitoring capabilities.  It has 
also worked flawlessly.


If and when I want to set up a multi-site network and/or VPN's, I can 
add USG's at the remote site(s).


David

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#231171

On 26.01.21 00:39, David Christensen wrote:
>> Am 25.01.21 um 20:16 schrieb basti:
>>> Hello,
>>> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
>>> WAN in 2 months.
>>> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
>>> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
>>>
>>> Are there any recommends?
> 
> 
> On 2021-01-25 13:11, Frank Michael Dienst wrote:
> 
>> have a look to ubiquiti-AP.
>>
>> https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-pro/
>>
>> The AP-AC-Pro systems with two RJ45-connectors work with bonding up to
>> 2,5 Gbit.
> 
> 
> +1 for Ubiquiti UniFi products:
> 
> https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050130353-UniFi-UniFi-Overview
> 
> 
> I started with one UniFi AP AC Lite and set it up with the built-in web
> interface.  It has worked flawlessly ever since.
> 
> 
> But what I really wanted was the UniFi Network Controller.  The
> controller is what provides the "Uni" in UniFi.  It available as
> free-as-in-beer software, bundled in certain UniFi hardware products,
> and via third-party hosting providers.  I got a VPS (linode.com) and
> installed the Debian package.
> 
> 
> I soon added a UniFi Security Gateway (USG).  This integrates with the
> controller and adds network control and monitoring capabilities.  It has
> also worked flawlessly.
> 
> 
> If and when I want to set up a multi-site network and/or VPN's, I can
> add USG's at the remote site(s).
> 
> 
> David
> 

Can I manage my device without the UniFi software via browser or cli?

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#231196

On 2021-01-26 01:07, basti wrote:

> On 26.01.21 00:39, David Christensen wrote:
>>> Am 25.01.21 um 20:16 schrieb basti:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
>>>> WAN in 2 months.
>>>> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
>>>> I know I need 5GHz wifi.

>> +1 for Ubiquiti UniFi products:
>>
>> https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050130353-UniFi-UniFi-Overview
>>
>>
>> I started with one UniFi AP AC Lite and set it up with the built-in web
>> interface.  It has worked flawlessly ever since.

> Can I manage my device without the UniFi software via browser or cli?

For my AP AC Lite:

https://www.ui.com/download/unifi/default/default/unifi-ac-lite-ap-quick-start-guide


I see two choices:

1.  UniFi Network Controller software for Debian/ Ubuntu, Windows, or macOS:

     https://www.ui.com/download/unifi

2.  UniFi Network smartphone application for iOS or Android:

     https://apps.apple.com/us/app/unifi-network/id1057750338

 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubnt.easyunifi&hl=en&gl=US


Once configured, the AP will continue to work without any of the above. 
So, you can use either like a consumer AP browser control panel.


David

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On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:
> Hello,
> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
> WAN in 2 months.
> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
> 
> Are there any recommends?

A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.

Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices rely 
on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with the 
proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).

[1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#231170

On 26.01.21 09:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:
>> Hello,
>> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
>> WAN in 2 months.
>> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
>> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
>>
>> Are there any recommends?
> 
> A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.
> 
> Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices rely 
> on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with the 
> proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).
> 
> [1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
> https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> 

As I understand it, NAT performance is relevant when I use it as a router?
I have a separate Router/Firewall device, so I should get "gbit wifi"?

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#231178

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On Ma, 26 ian 21, 10:05:30, basti wrote:
> On 26.01.21 09:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
> >> WAN in 2 months.
> >> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
> >> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
> >>
> >> Are there any recommends?
> > 
> > A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.
> > 
> > Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices rely 
> > on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with the 
> > proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).
> > 
> > [1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
> > https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance
> 
> As I understand it, NAT performance is relevant when I use it as a router?
> I have a separate Router/Firewall device, so I should get "gbit wifi"?

Oh, right, you only mentioned AP in the Subject. If your router can 
handle (close to) 1 Gbit/s speeds then, yes, the next step is to find a 
suitable AP.

You also need to consider where / how the AP will be used. E.g. this 
article discusses some of the potential issues.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/remote-work-lagging-if-you-cant-plug-it-in-upgrade-to-mesh/

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#231183

On Tue, 2021-01-26 at 10:05 +0100, basti wrote:
> On 26.01.21 09:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250
> > > Mbit up
> > > WAN in 2 months.
> > > I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
> > > I know I need 5GHz wifi.
> > > 
> > > Are there any recommends?
> > 
> > A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.
> > 
> > Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices
> > rely 
> > on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with
> > the 
> > proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).
> > 
> > [1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
> > https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Andrei
> > 
> 
> As I understand it, NAT performance is relevant when I use it as a
> router?
> I have a separate Router/Firewall device, so I should get "gbit
> wifi"?
> 
> 
Well,
judging by your e-mail address you are from Germany.
Check your local magazines for some reviews (C't might be one).
If you really think you can get a 1Gbit stream via Wifi you
are fantazing. If you have a decent router connect via cable.
And if you are connecting multiple machines invest in
a decent switch.
Your best guess to get high throughput whicg doesn't
degrate in real life (other AP in the area, multiple
clients...) is wifi 6. There are not many available,
and even less devices available for a linux machine,

While I use a ubiquity AP, I do not recomment those.
In most cases you are stuck with their managing software
or some Apps on Android/ios.
It's not an issue here , because wifi is mainly for
the Misses' ipad. I ran cat6 cable when we bought the 
place.




-H 

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#231186

> Well,
> judging by your e-mail address you are from Germany.
> Check your local magazines for some reviews (C't might be one).
> If you really think you can get a 1Gbit stream via Wifi you
> are fantazing. If you have a decent router connect via cable.
> And if you are connecting multiple machines invest in
> a decent switch.
> Your best guess to get high throughput whicg doesn't
> degrate in real life (other AP in the area, multiple
> clients...) is wifi 6. There are not many available,
> and even less devices available for a linux machine,
> 
> While I use a ubiquity AP, I do not recomment those.
> In most cases you are stuck with their managing software
> or some Apps on Android/ios.
> It's not an issue here , because wifi is mainly for
> the Misses' ipad. I ran cat6 cable when we bought the 
> place.

Yes I know, Wifi can't get 1Gbit at the moment, I would only get close
to it. 500Mbit/s are also OK (the TP-link Archer C7) seems to get it and
this is much more than my 300Mbit that I have at the moment.

The possibility to run openWRT at the TP-link Archer C7 sounds good,
I will have a look at.

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#231191

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 01:59:43PM +0100, basti wrote:
[...]
> 
> Yes I know, Wifi can't get 1Gbit at the moment, I would only get close
> to it. 500Mbit/s are also OK (the TP-link Archer C7) seems to get it and
> this is much more than my 300Mbit that I have at the moment.
>
If 300MBit/s is what you really get right now, you are OK.
Most likely whatever you will change will not get much higher than that.
Sure the specs will always claim more , but real life effective
throughput of 300 MBits/s is pretty much great bordering on awesome.


> The possibility to run openWRT at the TP-link Archer C7 sounds good,
> I will have a look at.
> 
>


-H

-- 
Henning Follmann           | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com

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#231193

On 26.01.21 16:31, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 01:59:43PM +0100, basti wrote:
> [...]
>>
>> Yes I know, Wifi can't get 1Gbit at the moment, I would only get close
>> to it. 500Mbit/s are also OK (the TP-link Archer C7) seems to get it and
>> this is much more than my 300Mbit that I have at the moment.
>>
> If 300MBit/s is what you really get right now, you are OK.
> Most likely whatever you will change will not get much higher than that.
> Sure the specs will always claim more , but real life effective
> throughput of 300 MBits/s is pretty much great bordering on awesome.
> 
> 
>> The possibility to run openWRT at the TP-link Archer C7 sounds good,
>> I will have a look at.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> -H
> 
I mean wifi 802.11n so I get round about 4 MB/s if I would get 30-40
MB/s its ok.

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#231194

> I mean wifi 802.11n so I get round about 4 MB/s if I would get 30-40
> MB/s its ok.

Thanks!  I see so few reports of wifi rates with which I can relate,
that it's like a breath of fresh air.

I have seen 25MB/s actual download rate on my smartphone when connected
over wifi in a coffeehouse, but here in my house, I've never seen more
than 6MB/s actual transfer rate even when my AP says that the
connection is currently using "300Mb/s").


        Stefan

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#231195

Am 26.01.21 um 17:25 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
>> I mean wifi 802.11n so I get round about 4 MB/s if I would get 30-40
>> MB/s its ok.
> 
> Thanks!  I see so few reports of wifi rates with which I can relate,
> that it's like a breath of fresh air.
> 
> I have seen 25MB/s actual download rate on my smartphone when connected
> over wifi in a coffeehouse, but here in my house, I've never seen more
> than 6MB/s actual transfer rate even when my AP says that the
> connection is currently using "300Mb/s").
> 
> 
>         Stefan

Hello Stefan,

it depent on more than the wifi standard,
- what mimo ?
- enviroment (walls, other wifi in the neighbourhood, distance
sender/receiver)

wifi is a shared media, so you can devide the max datarate/2
(client must ack there received packages)

Is in german but the table can give you an overview.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datendurchsatz

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#231197

On 2021-01-26 01:05, basti wrote:
> On 26.01.21 09:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
>>> WAN in 2 months.
>>> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
>>> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
>>>
>>> Are there any recommends?
>>
>> A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.
>>
>> Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices rely
>> on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with the
>> proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).
>>
>> [1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
>> https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andrei
>>
> 
> As I understand it, NAT performance is relevant when I use it as a router?
> I have a separate Router/Firewall device, so I should get "gbit wifi"?


Network Address Translation (NAT) is a function of firewall/ routers. 
It translates many IP addresses on one or more networks (LAN, Wi-Fi) 
onto one shared IP address on another network (WAN).


The UniFi AP 6 Lite supports 1.5 Gbps aggregate over 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz 
Wi-Fi for $99:

https://unifi-network.ui.com/wi-fi


One should be sufficient for most wood-frame residential/ SOHO 
applications, assuming the signal can get through the walls.  My UniFi 
AP AC Lite is the previous generation.  It is located on a high self 
near the center of our house, and works fine.


Adding more AP's to improve line-of-site (e.g. one AP per room or space) 
and/or to reduce the number of clients per AP (e.g. multiple AP's in 
large rooms or spaces) will help Wi-Fi performance.


David

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