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  I take it back Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-10-25 10:50 +0100
    Re: I take it back tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-10-25 11:00 +0100
      Re: I take it back Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-10-25 21:10 +0100
        Re: I take it back Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-10-25 21:30 +0100
          Re: I take it back Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-10-25 22:20 +0100
            Re: I take it back Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-10-25 22:30 +0100
              Re: I take it back Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-10-25 23:40 +0100

#228190 — I take it back

Looking at that machine with htop, and no one logged in on its own 
console as its waiting for a login because a power bump rebooted it in 
the night last night and I haven't been up to the shop building to login 
since.

I see no wayland and 3 instances of xorg running.  So its the GTK stuff 
thats actually missing and the error message I paste quoted is 
miss-leading. Since the default gui is xfce4, what do I "apt install" to 
restore gksudo and synaptic to normal function?

Thanks Tomas


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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#228191

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On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 05:42:27AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Looking at that machine with htop, and no one logged in on its own 
> console as its waiting for a login because a power bump rebooted it in 
> the night last night and I haven't been up to the shop building to login 
> since.
> 
> I see no wayland and 3 instances of xorg running.  So its the GTK stuff 
> thats actually missing and the error message I paste quoted is 
> miss-leading. Since the default gui is xfce4, what do I "apt install" to 
> restore gksudo and synaptic to normal function?

I think gksudo and cousins (among them the KDE flavour whose name I keep
forgetting) are dead, they don't exist in Debian since buster.

The New Way (TM) seems to be to muck around policykit (which I don't
know well enough to help you with, sorry).

Have you tried my 'ssh -E' proposal from the other mail? On my box
it works, but my box is sufficiently different from yours (legacy
X setup, no dbus, no systemd) that the outcome might well be different.

Cheers
 - t

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On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 10:58:33 +0100
tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> I think gksudo and cousins (among them the KDE flavour whose name I
> keep forgetting) are dead, they don't exist in Debian since buster.

Don't tell us what you think, report facts. And show your data. E.g.:

charles@hawk:~$ apt-cache search gksudo
gksu - graphical front-end to su and sudo
charles@hawk:~$ 

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#228216

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 02:07:15PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 10:58:33 +0100
> tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > I think gksudo and cousins (among them the KDE flavour whose name I
> > keep forgetting) are dead, they don't exist in Debian since buster.
> 
> Don't tell us what you think, report facts. And show your data. E.g.:
> 
> charles@hawk:~$ apt-cache search gksudo
> gksu - graphical front-end to su and sudo
> charles@hawk:~$ 
> 
It helps if you use the correct command to answer the question at hand:

rmadison -u debian -a source gksu
gksu       | 2.0.2-9       | oldoldstable | source
gksu       | 2.0.2-9       | oldstable    | source

Tomas' statement is correct, in that gksu is not in Debian unstable or
in any release since stretch.  It looks like you might be using an older
Debian release.

Regards,

-Roberto

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#228220

On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:25:12 -0400
Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> wrote:

> It helps if you use the correct command to answer the question at
> hand:
> 
> rmadison -u debian -a source gksu
> gksu       | 2.0.2-9       | oldoldstable | source
> gksu       | 2.0.2-9       | oldstable    | source
> 
> Tomas' statement is correct, in that gksu is not in Debian unstable or
> in any release since stretch.  It looks like you might be using an
> older Debian release.

Had I known of rmadison's existence, I might have used it.

I am using buster, upgraded from stretch. A quick look at my various apt
sources.list files indicate I am not using any non-buster repos. So why
did gksu show up in my buster apt cache? Since it is also on my system,
and works, I conjecture that it was not removed at the time of the
dist-upgrade.

Checking another machine that had a fresh installation of buster, gksu
is not installed and "apt-cache search gksu" returns nothing.

Curiouser and curiouser.

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#228221

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 02:52:41PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:25:12 -0400
> Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> wrote:
> 
> > It helps if you use the correct command to answer the question at
> > hand:
> > 
> > rmadison -u debian -a source gksu
> > gksu       | 2.0.2-9       | oldoldstable | source
> > gksu       | 2.0.2-9       | oldstable    | source
> > 
> > Tomas' statement is correct, in that gksu is not in Debian unstable or
> > in any release since stretch.  It looks like you might be using an
> > older Debian release.
> 
> Had I known of rmadison's existence, I might have used it.
> 
> I am using buster, upgraded from stretch. A quick look at my various apt
> sources.list files indicate I am not using any non-buster repos. So why
> did gksu show up in my buster apt cache? Since it is also on my system,
> and works, I conjecture that it was not removed at the time of the
> dist-upgrade.
> 
> Checking another machine that had a fresh installation of buster, gksu
> is not installed and "apt-cache search gksu" returns nothing.
> 
> Curiouser and curiouser.
> 
If you install a package that is removed or absent from a subsequent
release and you then upgrade, the package will remain installed.  The
only exception is if another package during the upgrade conflicts with
the obsolete package, triggering a removal.

If you execute 'apt-cache policy gksu' on your system, you will see that
it is not associated with a remote repository.  That means that your
system only knows about the package because it happens to already be
installed.

Regards,

-Roberto

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#228222

On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 17:22:34 -0400
Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> wrote:

> If you install a package that is removed or absent from a subsequent
> release and you then upgrade, the package will remain installed.  The
> only exception is if another package during the upgrade conflicts with
> the obsolete package, triggering a removal.
> 
> If you execute 'apt-cache policy gksu' on your system, you will see
> that it is not associated with a remote repository.  That means that
> your system only knows about the package because it happens to
> already be installed.

Thank you, that helps.


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