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  wrong from field with alpine Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net> - 2020-10-18 22:30 +0200
    Re: wrong from field with alpine David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-10-18 23:10 +0200
    Re: wrong from field with alpine Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-10-19 15:40 +0200
    Re: wrong from field with alpine davidson@freevolt.org - 2020-10-21 09:40 +0200
      Re: wrong from field with alpine davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-10-23 02:50 +0200
    Re: wrong from field with alpine davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-10-21 09:40 +0200
      Re: wrong from field with alpine Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2020-10-21 20:30 +0200
        Re: wrong from field with alpine David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-10-21 23:20 +0200
          Re: wrong from field with alpine Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2020-10-22 09:50 +0200

#227950 — wrong from field with alpine

hi,

when I send a mail with alpine, the from field becomes 
"frenkiel@laposte.net" instead of "p.frenkiel@laposte.net"

An obvious consequence is that people can't reply to this mail

that looks like an alpine bug. I'll then make a bug report, unless 
somebody tells me what I'm doing wrong.

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#227951

On Sun 18 Oct 2020 at 20:27:35 (+0200), Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> 
> when I send a mail with alpine, the from field becomes
> "frenkiel@laposte.net" instead of "p.frenkiel@laposte.net"
> 
> An obvious consequence is that people can't reply to this mail
> 
> that looks like an alpine bug. I'll then make a bug report, unless
> somebody tells me what I'm doing wrong.

How does alpine ascertain what your From: field should be constructed
from? I'm guessing that it uses loginname@domainname, and I suspect
that you login as frenkiel, not p.frenkiel.

In mutt, you can have   set from="foo@whatever.tld"   set up both
globally, and overridden for particular folders. You probably have
an equivalent configuration variable that you could set.

Cheers,
David.

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#227976

On 2020-10-18, Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net> wrote:
> hi,
>
> when I send a mail with alpine, the from field becomes 
> "frenkiel@laposte.net" instead of "p.frenkiel@laposte.net"
>
> An obvious consequence is that people can't reply to this mail
>
> that looks like an alpine bug. I'll then make a bug report, unless 
> somebody tells me what I'm doing wrong.

I believe the default local-part of the From address in Alpine is
derived (as is the default personal name part) from the system password
file (user login name). Pressing S (SETUP) in the main menu, then C
(CONFIG) and adding the From value desired to the Customized Headers
field should provide a satisfactory solution:

  From: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>

Then again, if memory serves, it often appears in your always very
individual case whatever is suggested either doesn't work, or even if it
does, turns out somehow to be suboptimal. YMISTV (Your Mileage
Invariably Seems To Vary).

:-)

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#228058

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 davidson wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
>> hi,
>> 
>> when I send a mail with alpine, the from field becomes 
>> "frenkiel@laposte.net" instead of "p.frenkiel@laposte.net"
>
> One thing you could try is go to config settings in alpine
>
> Main menu >> Setup >> Config
>
> search for the setting "Customized Headers", and set it to something like 
> this:
>
>  Customized Headers   = From: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>

(Ah. I now see that I am repeating Curt's advice.)

-- 
  The day will come              |  Last words, August Spies (1855--1887).
  When our silence will be       |  Hanged, by the state of Illinois,
  More powerful than             |  alongside fellow journalists
  The voices you strangle today  |  Adolf Fischer and Albert Parsons.

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#228129

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, davidson@freevolt.org wrote:
>
>>> One thing you could try is go to config settings in alpine
>>> 
>>> Main menu >> Setup >> Config
>>> 
>>> search for the setting "Customized Headers", and set it to
>>> something like this:
>>>
>>>  Customized Headers   = From: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>
>> 
>
>   in .alpinerc, I have:
>
> customized-hdrs=From: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>
> customized-hdrs=Reply-To: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>
>
> but in alpine config, I only see the "Reply-To" line
> How do you explain that?

I speculate that the second line you list above clobbers the value set
in the previous line, so you only end up with the second value set.

In a reply to a similar question raised by Roger Price elsewhere in
the thread, David Wright suggested giving a single, comma-separated
list as value:

  https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20201021211620.GB5319@axis.corp

So you might try setting the customized-hdrs value just once, with
something like

customized-hdrs=From: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>,
 		      Reply-To: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>

> I didn't find how to add the From line

-- 
  The day will come              |  Last words, August Spies (1855--1887).
  When our silence will be       |  Hanged, by the state of Illinois,
  More powerful than             |  alongside fellow journalists
  The voices you strangle today  |  Adolf Fischer and Albert Parsons.

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#228059

On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> hi,
>
> when I send a mail with alpine, the from field becomes "frenkiel@laposte.net" 
> instead of "p.frenkiel@laposte.net"

One thing you could try is go to config settings in alpine

  Main menu >> Setup >> Config

search for the setting "Customized Headers", and set it to something like this:

   Customized Headers   = From: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>

If you use alpine's "Role" rules, it is possible to override this for
a given role (ie, you could set a different "From:" header value for
that role).

> An obvious consequence is that people can't reply to this mail

Well, I guess that would be true if you had sent it with alpine (but
it appears that you did not).

-- 
Ce qui est important est rarement urgent
et ce qui est urgent est rarement important
-- Dwight David Eisenhower

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#228081

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, davidson wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
>> when I send a mail with alpine, the from field becomes 
>> "frenkiel@laposte.net" instead of "p.frenkiel@laposte.net"
>
> One thing you could try is go to config settings in alpine
>
> Main menu >> Setup >> Config
>
> search for the setting "Customized Headers", and set it to something like 
> this:
>
>  Customized Headers   = From: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>

Thanks, I've wondered for a long time how to do this.  Is it possible to set a 
second customized header?  I tried to append Cc: ... but got an error message.

Roger

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#228086

On Wed 21 Oct 2020 at 20:25:06 (+0200), Roger Price wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, davidson wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> > > when I send a mail with alpine, the from field becomes
> > > "frenkiel@laposte.net" instead of "p.frenkiel@laposte.net"
> > 
> > One thing you could try is go to config settings in alpine
> > 
> > Main menu >> Setup >> Config
> > 
> > search for the setting "Customized Headers", and set it to
> > something like this:
> > 
> >  Customized Headers   = From: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>
> 
> Thanks, I've wondered for a long time how to do this.  Is it possible
> to set a second customized header?  I tried to append Cc: ... but got
> an error message.

Did you separate the headers with a comma?

If it's not that, perhaps explain "append" and disclose the error message.

http://alpine.x10host.com/alpine/alpine-info/misc/headers.html

Cheers,
David.

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#228098

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 21 Oct 2020 at 20:25:06 (+0200), Roger Price wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, davidson wrote:
>>> One thing you could try is go to config settings in alpine
>>>
>>> Main menu >> Setup >> Config
>>>
>>> search for the setting "Customized Headers", and set it to
>>> something like this:
>>>
>>>  Customized Headers   = From: Pierre Frenkiel <p.frenkiel@laposte.net>
>>
>> Thanks, I've wondered for a long time how to do this.  Is it possible
>> to set a second customized header?  I tried to append Cc: ... but got
>> an error message.
>
> Did you separate the headers with a comma?
>
> If it's not that, perhaps explain "append" and disclose the error message.
>
> http://alpine.x10host.com/alpine/alpine-info/misc/headers.html

The error message was the From: field in a new email:

  From    : Roger Price <roger@rogerprice.org>,
            UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@".SYNTAX-ERROR."

I had forgotten the comma.  With a comma I now get

  Customized Headers                  = From: Roger Price <roger@rogerprice.org>
                                        Cc: Roger Price <roger@rogerprice.org>

and the correct headers.

Roger

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