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  [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> - 2020-07-31 09:30 +0200
    Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-31 11:40 +0200
      Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> - 2020-07-31 18:30 +0200
        Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-31 20:50 +0200
    Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-07-31 13:10 +0200
      Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> - 2020-07-31 18:30 +0200
    Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-07-31 13:30 +0200
    Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2020-07-31 13:30 +0200
      Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> - 2020-07-31 18:40 +0200
        Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2020-07-31 20:40 +0200
      Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-07-31 21:10 +0200
        Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2020-07-31 22:50 +0200
    Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-07-31 14:10 +0200
      Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> - 2020-07-31 18:40 +0200
        Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-07-31 19:40 +0200
    Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-07-31 16:00 +0200
      Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-07-31 16:20 +0200
      Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> - 2020-07-31 19:00 +0200
        Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-08-01 06:10 +0200
    Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server? Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> - 2020-07-31 18:50 +0200

#225588 — [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?

Hi,

I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.

I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
(25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.

I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?

Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
Fortune finishes the great quotations, #6

	"But, soft!  What light through yonder window breaks?"
	It's nothing, honey.  Go back to sleep.

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#225594

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On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.

I just have a virtual machine "out there" on a hoster. I share the physical
machine with a couple (~4) of friends.

Bandwidth is great, uptime is great, it's just a bit pricier than "gmail".
But not much.

Always sunny, never cloudy :-)

Cheers
-- t

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#225640

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:30:53AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> 
> I just have a virtual machine "out there" on a hoster. I share the physical
> machine with a couple (~4) of friends.
> 
> Bandwidth is great, uptime is great, it's just a bit pricier than "gmail".
> But not much.

Sounds like a cool setup. If you and your friends are open to host another VM
then we can talk specifics off-list.

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
Q:	How does the Polish Constitution differ from the American?
A:	Under the Polish Constitution citizens are guaranteed freedom of
	speech, but under the United States constitution they are
	guaranteed freedom after speech.
		-- being told in Poland, 1987

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#225655

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On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 09:51:57PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:30:53AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:

[...]

> > I just have a virtual machine "out there" on a hoster. I share the physical
> > machine with a couple (~4) of friends.
> > 
> > Bandwidth is great, uptime is great, it's just a bit pricier than "gmail".
> > But not much.
> 
> Sounds like a cool setup. If you and your friends are open to host another VM
> then we can talk specifics off-list.

Hm. They host customer stuff there: I don't think they'd be open. But I'd
let you know in that case...


Cheers
-- t

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#225598

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:59:06 +0530
Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> 
> I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
> separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> 
> I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.

Have you seen Ars Technica's series on self-hosting email? It
may be a bit dated (it's from 2014), but they're pretty good on such
topics. They mention a couple of VPS providers (A Small Orange,
Lithium Hosting), but I took a quick look, and they somewhat pricey:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/

> Kind regards,
> Didar
> 
> -- 
> Fortune finishes the great quotations, #6
> 
> 	"But, soft!  What light through yonder window breaks?"
> 	It's nothing, honey.  Go back to sleep.
> 


Celejar

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#225639

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:05:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:59:06 +0530
> Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> > 
> > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
> > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> > 
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> > 
> > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> 
> Have you seen Ars Technica's series on self-hosting email? It
> may be a bit dated (it's from 2014), but they're pretty good on such
> topics. They mention a couple of VPS providers (A Small Orange,
> Lithium Hosting), but I took a quick look, and they somewhat pricey:
> 
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/

Yes, those hosting providers to seem a little pricey, but if I am able send and
receive emails without *much* problems I can consider them.

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
One can search the brain with a microscope and not find the
mind, and can search the stars with a telescope and not find God.
		-- J. Gustav White

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#225605

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> 
> I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
> separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> 
> I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> 
I persoally use Linode for the last four years.  You can easily host a
not very busy MX on the smallest Linode (a Nanode) and the don't block
any ports.  They also make it trivially easy to go between different
"sizes" of Linodes.

The only problem I have is that when I first started, the IP of one my
MXs had previously been used by a spammer and so was on some blacklists.
I had to request the removal from the lists.  However, the same thing
happened to me nearly 20 years ago when I set up my first MX on a hard
wired on-premesis server with a static IP, so that phenomenon is not
unique to cloud hosting.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#225606

On 7/31/20 3:29 AM, Didar Hossain wrote:
> I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
> separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.

I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS
providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is
with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports.
The most economical one I have heard of
(https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will
find it hard to beat the price.

You mentioned wanting your host to be physically based in India,
but I'm not sure that's important unless you expect very heavy
traffic and need very short response times. My Rimuhosting VPS
has moved from New Zealand to Long Island, New York (east cost
of the USA) to Dallas, Texas (southwestern USA, about 2400 km
away) and for what I do (web hosting and mail, mostly) it has
made no detectable difference.

-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!

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#225641

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:25:42AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On 7/31/20 3:29 AM, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
> > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> 
> I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS
> providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is
> with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports.
> The most economical one I have heard of
> (https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will
> find it hard to beat the price.

Ahh, RimuHosting is indeed on my option list. The other guys are providing
CPanel/WHM preconfigured instances; I want to fully customize my minimal Buster
instance.

> You mentioned wanting your host to be physically based in India,
> but I'm not sure that's important unless you expect very heavy
> traffic and need very short response times. My Rimuhosting VPS
> has moved from New Zealand to Long Island, New York (east cost
> of the USA) to Dallas, Texas (southwestern USA, about 2400 km
> away) and for what I do (web hosting and mail, mostly) it has
> made no detectable difference.

Hosting in India is a preference, not a hard requirement. I am happy to know
that Rimu are not blocking ports.

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
<knghtbrd> *snipsnip*
<rcw> oh dear, is that the sound of fortune-database editing?
<Joy> uh oh
<knghtbrd> Yes  =>

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#225654

On 7/31/20 12:31 PM, Didar Hossain wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:25:42AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
>> On 7/31/20 3:29 AM, Didar Hossain wrote:
>>> I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
>>> (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
>>> This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
>>> separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
>> I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS
>> providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is
>> with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports.
>> The most economical one I have heard of
>> (https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will
>> find it hard to beat the price.
> Ahh, RimuHosting is indeed on my option list. The other guys are providing
> CPanel/WHM preconfigured instances; I want to fully customize my minimal Buster
> instance.
>
>> You mentioned wanting your host to be physically based in India,
>> but I'm not sure that's important unless you expect very heavy
>> traffic and need very short response times. My Rimuhosting VPS
>> has moved from New Zealand to Long Island, New York (east cost
>> of the USA) to Dallas, Texas (southwestern USA, about 2400 km
>> away) and for what I do (web hosting and mail, mostly) it has
>> made no detectable difference.
> Hosting in India is a preference, not a hard requirement. I am happy to know
> that Rimu are not blocking ports.

For whatever it is worth, my Debian VPS on Rimuhosting is
currently serving four low-traffic domains, for web and mail,
including three WordPress instances. Postfix for MTA,
Dovecot for IMAP, RoundCube for webmail. I don't bother
hosting my own DNS at the moment.

-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!

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#225657

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:25:42 -0400
Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> wrote:

...

> I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS
> providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is
> with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports.
> The most economical one I have heard of
> (https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will
> find it hard to beat the price.

"No Support Linux Hosting" only offers web hosting, not VPSs, so port
blocking isn't applicable. For VPS hosting, they send you to their
"sister company" "No Support VPS Hosting", whose price ($15 per month)
is hardly rock-bottom (Digital Ocean starts at $5 per month):

http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/VPSHosting.html
http://nosupportvpshosting.com/index.php

Celejar

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#225665

On 7/31/20 3:08 PM, Celejar wrote:
> "No Support Linux Hosting" only offers web hosting, not VPSs, so port
> blocking isn't applicable. For VPS hosting, they send you to their
> "sister company" "No Support VPS Hosting", whose price ($15 per month)
> is hardly rock-bottom (Digital Ocean starts at $5 per month):
>
> http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/VPSHosting.html
> http://nosupportvpshosting.com/index.php

I haven't used the service in almost 10 years. It seems that they
might have changed things.

-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!

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#225610

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> 
> I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
> separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> 
> I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> 

I think all ISP should be fine. I sometime feel for a mailserver it is
more important to have a decent DNS provider than where you actually
run your mailserver. Because as a minimum you want to set up
SPF and DKIM.
Most ISP require to register an outgoing mail server with them. This
is also important that they set up a reverse ptr for your host.

One note on Digital Ocean. In my experience there is a lot of spam
originating from Digital Ocean. This potentially could cause you
some trouble. But this might be just my personal "feeling". I never
ran the numbers on ISP spam submission rates.

I currently use AWS for my mailservers. In the past I used
A1flexus for dedicated servers. They are on Long Island
and were very "linux friendly" at that time.

-H

-- 
Henning Follmann           | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com

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#225642

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:00:32AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> > 
> > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
> > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> > 
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> > 
> > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> > 
> 
> I think all ISP should be fine. I sometime feel for a mailserver it is
> more important to have a decent DNS provider than where you actually
> run your mailserver. Because as a minimum you want to set up
> SPF and DKIM.
> Most ISP require to register an outgoing mail server with them. This
> is also important that they set up a reverse ptr for your host.

Cheap US$5 cloud instances are super attractive propositions for spammers who
have absolutely abused these providers and made it difficult for legitimate
senders to host on them.

I have DNS, SPF, DKIM and DMARC under control. But, IP/ASN reputation is
something that I have to factor in because a lot of my counter party receivers
are on Office365 and G Suite who would block ill reputed networks.

> One note on Digital Ocean. In my experience there is a lot of spam
> originating from Digital Ocean. This potentially could cause you
> some trouble. But this might be just my personal "feeling". I never
> ran the numbers on ISP spam submission rates.

True, I remember seeing some statistics about spam originating from them and
that is why they have recently started blocking ports 25 throughout.

> I currently use AWS for my mailservers. In the past I used
> A1flexus for dedicated servers. They are on Long Island
> and were very "linux friendly" at that time.

Does your AWS instance receive and send over port 25?

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
Sun in the night, everyone is together,
Ascending into the heavens, life is forever.
		-- Brand X, "Moroccan Roll/Sun in the Night"

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#225648

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:08:09PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:00:32AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> > > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> > > 
> > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> > > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> > > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
> > > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> > > 
> > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> > > 
> > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> > > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think all ISP should be fine. I sometime feel for a mailserver it is
> > more important to have a decent DNS provider than where you actually
> > run your mailserver. Because as a minimum you want to set up
> > SPF and DKIM.
> > Most ISP require to register an outgoing mail server with them. This
> > is also important that they set up a reverse ptr for your host.
> 
> Cheap US$5 cloud instances are super attractive propositions for spammers who
> have absolutely abused these providers and made it difficult for legitimate
> senders to host on them.
> 
> I have DNS, SPF, DKIM and DMARC under control. But, IP/ASN reputation is
> something that I have to factor in because a lot of my counter party receivers
> are on Office365 and G Suite who would block ill reputed networks.
> 
> > One note on Digital Ocean. In my experience there is a lot of spam
> > originating from Digital Ocean. This potentially could cause you
> > some trouble. But this might be just my personal "feeling". I never
> > ran the numbers on ISP spam submission rates.
> 
> True, I remember seeing some statistics about spam originating from them and
> that is why they have recently started blocking ports 25 throughout.
> 
> > I currently use AWS for my mailservers. In the past I used
> > A1flexus for dedicated servers. They are on Long Island
> > and were very "linux friendly" at that time.
> 
> Does your AWS instance receive and send over port 25?
>

Yes,
AWS requires to "register" your mailserver.
They allow for a small amount of out traffic without that, but
if you intend to use this as a proper mail server, you have
to tell them. I've never been on any dns-blocklist so far and I do check
regularly for all my server.

-H

-- 
Henning Follmann           | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com

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#225621

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?

You will be fine almost anywhere (as long as you find the service
reliable) for inbound email, but it's sending where you will have
issues.

Most cheap VM providers are a spam sewer and you will experience
significant difficulties getting large email service providers like
gmail to consistently accept your email if you send from such a
network neighbourhood. I would include Linode, DigitalOcean, Hetzner
and OVH in the "spam sewer" classification.

If you're determined to do it, at least make sure you abide by the
real world best practices for sending email:

    https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/

I have to declare an interest because I operate a VM hosting
company, but I speak on this as a recipient of email and as a member
of the mailop mailing list where every month we see people
complaining they can't get mail out of a spam sewer and into gmail.

    https://www.mailop.org/

Cheers,
Andy

-- 
https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

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#225622

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:52:30PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> You will be fine almost anywhere (as long as you find the service
> reliable) for inbound email, but it's sending where you will have
> issues.
> 
> Most cheap VM providers are a spam sewer and you will experience
> significant difficulties getting large email service providers like
> gmail to consistently accept your email if you send from such a
> network neighbourhood. I would include Linode, DigitalOcean, Hetzner
> and OVH in the "spam sewer" classification.
> 
> If you're determined to do it, at least make sure you abide by the
> real world best practices for sending email:
> 
>     https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/
> 
> I have to declare an interest because I operate a VM hosting
> company, but I speak on this as a recipient of email and as a member
> of the mailop mailing list where every month we see people
> complaining they can't get mail out of a spam sewer and into gmail.
> 
When it comes to Linode I wonder how much of what you have observed
results from Linode as a service provider in general and how much from
the individuals running the actual services.  In my case, I have used
Linode exclusively for more than 4 years for both inbound and outbound
mail.  Apart from one of the IPs I was initially assigned being on some
blacklists (a situation which was easily corrected), I have not
experienced any problems with major providers (GMail, Yahoo, Microsoft,
etc.) rejecting or blocking my mail servers.

If Linode had systemic problems of the nature you describe I would have
expected to have actually experienced difficulty with mail from my
servers to those major providers.

Regards,

-Roberto

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#225647

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:52:30PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> 
> You will be fine almost anywhere (as long as you find the service
> reliable) for inbound email, but it's sending where you will have
> issues.
> 
> Most cheap VM providers are a spam sewer and you will experience
> significant difficulties getting large email service providers like
> gmail to consistently accept your email if you send from such a
> network neighbourhood. I would include Linode, DigitalOcean, Hetzner
> and OVH in the "spam sewer" classification.

Exactly my fear and that is why I am on the hunt for a reputable IP/ASN space.

> If you're determined to do it, at least make sure you abide by the
> real world best practices for sending email:
> 
>     https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/

That is a comprehensive list and I intend to implement at least MTA-STS/TLSRPT
and consider SPF/DKIM/DMARC as standard stuff.

> I have to declare an interest because I operate a VM hosting
> company, but I speak on this as a recipient of email and as a member
> of the mailop mailing list where every month we see people
> complaining they can't get mail out of a spam sewer and into gmail.
> 
>     https://www.mailop.org/

Now this is the list that I want to be on. But, I am getting SSL errors trying
to connect to https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

> https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Added for consideration.


Kind regards,
Didar




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#225673

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:24:03PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:52:30PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> >     https://www.mailop.org/
> 
> Now this is the list that I want to be on. But, I am getting SSL errors trying
> to connect to https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Yes; unfortunately it is in a transition period between admin teams
as the old administrators haven't had time to maintain things like
renewal of the TLS cert¹. As far as I understand the new admin team
is ready to take over but are waiting on the old admins to do some
things. For what it's worth I know it is simply a case of an expired
TLS cert and it is safe in this case to proceed anyway.

Cheers,
Andy

¹ Obviously quite embarrassing for a list of / catering to
  professional email admins. There are employees of Google. Yahoo!
  and Microsoft on this list.

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#225645

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:36:46PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
> Didar Hossain <didar@purlo.in> writes:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any
> > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email.
> >
> > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports
> > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network.
> > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has
> > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes.
> >
> > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of
> > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service?
> >
> > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers
> > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least.
> 
> If you intrested in Google Compute Engine, this is useful:
> https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/tutorials/sending-mail/using-mailgun?hl=en

I don't want to use mailgun/sendgrid/mandrill to send emails, I just want to
take control of my email.

> Also we can open (ingress) port 25 for MX at there Google Compute
> Engine. Personally i'm using Google Compute Engine -- Ubuntu
> 18.04. And running MTA is Postfix.

Good for you, but, I guess you are using mailgun for outgoing.

Kind regards,
Didar


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