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  Deluged setup instructions/help Intense Red <intnsred@golgotha.net> - 2020-07-10 07:40 +0200
    Re: Deluged setup instructions/help davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-07-10 11:50 +0200
      Re: Deluged setup instructions/help Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-10 12:10 +0200
        Re: Deluged setup instructions/help Intense Red <intnsred@golgotha.net> - 2020-07-10 16:30 +0200
          [RESOLVED] Re: Deluged setup instructions/help Intense Red <intnsred@golgotha.net> - 2020-07-26 05:00 +0200
      Re: Deluged setup instructions/help Intense Red <intnsred@golgotha.net> - 2020-07-10 15:10 +0200

#224670 — Deluged setup instructions/help

   I want to set up a deluged server on Debian stable. Installing the relevant 
packages there are zero -- none, nada, zilch! -- instructions or example config 
files.

   From my perspective deluged nor deluge-web does not install itself in any 
sort of a working or bare-bones configuration which is the norm for debian-
packaged programs.

   Looking on the web there are a ton of various "guides" to install deluged, 
but nothing for current versions of Debian and many of the guides suggest 
doing all sorts of "odd" things (like creating /etc/systemd/system/
deluged.service files and other lower-level tasks that it seems normal Debian 
packages already do.

   Questions:

   Can anyone suggest a recent/up-to-date guide on how to get a running 
deluged up and running?

   Does this lack of basic documentation/example config files mean a bug report 
should be filed against deluged?

   TIA.

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#224678

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 Intense Red wrote:
>   I want to set up a deluged server on Debian stable.

I don't know anything about deluge. I am idly curious.

Given how many bittorrent clients there are to choose from, may I ask
whether there is anything about deluge/deluged in particular that
makes you want to use it?

Or is it just the one you've used before, so you thought you'd stick
to something familiar?

You are perfectly free to ignore these questions if you'd rather stick
closer to the subject of your concern.

> Installing the relevant packages

Name them. Which ones?

> there are zero -- none, nada, zilch! -- instructions or example
> config files.

There's a man page for deluged. That's not zero. You are exaggerating.

And the latest entry in

   /usr/share/doc/deluged/NEWS.Debian.gz

takes up a screen-and-a-half full of text in my console. That's quite
a lot of news, even if it is ten years old. (I downloaded the
package. I'm not installing it. Just curious.)

Also,

  $ apt-cache show deluged
  [...]
  Description-en: bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK (daemon)
   Deluge is a full-featured, multi-platform, multi-interface
   BitTorrent client using libtorrent-rasterbar in it's backend and
   featuring multiple user-interfaces: GTK+, web and console.
   .
   It has been designed using the client-server model with a daemon
   process that handles all the bittorrent activity. The Deluge daemon
   is able to run on headless machines with the user-interfaces being
   able to connect remotely from any platform.
   .
   You may want to install this package to run the daemon application
   on a remote server and connect to it from any user-interface.

   See: <URL:http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/ThinClient>
                                                ^^^^^^^^^
  [...]
  Homepage: http://www.deluge-torrent.org/

Don't get me wrong. I'm not claiming the documentation is great. Or
complete. Maybe it is, maybe it aint.

I wouldn't know, haven't attempted to follow it, and I'm quite happy
with a different bittorent client (which at times has itself had some
pretty spotty documentation), so I have no plans to do so.

But docs for this package (and related packages) are not non-existent.

>   From my perspective deluged nor deluge-web does not install itself
> in any sort of a working or bare-bones configuration which is the
> norm for debian- packaged programs.
>
> Looking on the web there are a ton of various "guides" to install
> deluged,

Er, the web never forgets. So that's always how its going to be. 90%
of everything is crap, and most of the rest is going to be obsolete
cruft too.

So you check out the developer's current website first. Look for
guides there first.

You query your distribution's packaging tools for its location if
you're at all unsure. And so on. Read its posted FAQ. And so on.

Did you do that first? Where *did* you look first? (If you used a
search engine first thing off the bat, don't even answer. Shame on
you. PEBKAC.)

> but nothing for current versions of Debian and many of the guides suggest
> doing all sorts of "odd" things (like creating /etc/systemd/system/
> deluged.service files

Well, in a way that isn't odd at all. Creating such files one way or
another is pretty damn normal. But sure, creating them all on your
lonesome, by writing them from scratch is pretty damn weird.

Good for you, for noticing that you were reading inappropriate
docs, and knowing that you shouldn't blindly follow them.

> and other lower-level tasks that it seems normal Debian packages
> already do.
>
>   Questions:
>
> Can anyone suggest a recent/up-to-date guide on how to get a running
> deluged up and running?

Suggest? Sure. Already have. I pointed you to the developer's own
website. Like some kind of genius.

I do not, and cannot, vouch for its effectiveness though. If something
seems off to you about the developer's own site, then that's some
news.

Post the link and be specific about the issue. Because that would be
useful information.

> Does this lack of basic documentation/example config files

Assumes facts not in evidence, Your Honor.

> mean a bug report should be filed against deluged?

If it really isn't there, sure.

Good luck.

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#224680

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On Vi, 10 iul 20, 09:40:48, davidson wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 Intense Red wrote:
> 
> > but nothing for current versions of Debian and many of the guides suggest
> > doing all sorts of "odd" things (like creating /etc/systemd/system/
> > deluged.service files
> 
> Well, in a way that isn't odd at all. Creating such files one way or
> another is pretty damn normal. But sure, creating them all on your
> lonesome, by writing them from scratch is pretty damn weird.

According to https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/deluged/filelist the 
package contains an init script. Checking the /etc/default/deluged file 
would be recommended as well.

In case you (the OP) end up writing a .service file (system or user) to 
replace the init script kindly attach it to a wishlist bug for inclusion 
in the package or at least for others to find it.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#224686

> Checking the /etc/default/deluged file would be recommended as well.

   That just contains a switch to enable the daemon (already done to no 
effect).

> In case you (the OP) end up writing a .service file (system or user) to
> replace the init script kindly attach it to a wishlist bug for inclusion in
> the package

   Good idea! I'll submit such a wishlist 'bug' when I get a handle on this.

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#225287 — [RESOLVED] Re: Deluged setup instructions/help

   To get Deluge running one should remember that deluged is a Python program 
which rewrites its variables to a config file on exit. Once the config file is 
located it can be edited and the variables 

  The initialization problem is a problem. I used update-rc.d to disable the /
etc/init.d/deluged script that deluged installs.

   I then made deluged initialize with systemd by following the directions on 
this page:

https://deluge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/how-to/systemd-service.html

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#224682

>  may I ask whether there is anything about deluge/deluged in particular that
> makes you want to use it?

   My default is to use the transmission package but that has a documented bug 
in which some torrents cause an "invalid argument" error. 

> Or is it just the one you've used before, so you thought you'd stick
> to something familiar?

 I've used deluge a couple of Debian versions ago I thought I'd give that 
another try. However, it seems the documentation available online and/or the 
package's packaging isn't what I remember.

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this invisible government, to befoul this unholy alliance between corrupt 
business and corrupt politics is the first task of statesmanship." -- President 
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