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  Workstation configuration lina <lina.lastname@gmail.com> - 2020-07-20 15:10 +0200
    Re: Workstation configuration Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-07-20 15:20 +0200
      Re: Workstation configuration lina <lina.lastname@gmail.com> - 2020-07-20 15:30 +0200
    Re: Workstation configuration Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2020-07-20 19:40 +0200
      Re: Workstation configuration Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-07-20 20:00 +0200
        Re: Workstation configuration "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-07-20 21:20 +0200
          Re: Workstation configuration Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-07-20 21:50 +0200
            Re: Workstation configuration "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-07-20 23:00 +0200
      Re: Workstation configuration lina <lina.lastname@gmail.com> - 2020-07-20 21:30 +0200
      Re: Workstation configuration Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-21 09:00 +0200
        Re: Workstation configuration rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-07-21 20:40 +0200
          Re: Workstation configuration <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-21 22:10 +0200
            Re: Workstation configuration rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-07-21 23:30 +0200
            Re: Workstation configuration Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-23 08:30 +0200
    Re: Workstation configuration David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-07-20 23:10 +0200
    Re: Workstation configuration Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-21 09:00 +0200
      Re: Workstation configuration "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-07-21 09:40 +0200

#225036 — Workstation configuration

Hi All,

Previously I have asked for the comments about one workstation, here
is a alternative option, that would nice to get your input about this
workstation which is for parallel computation purposes solely, in
terms of cooling and speed, debian compatibility and anything else,
Thanks again, lina

Moderkort STRX4 Asus Prime TRX40-PRO 3NVMe ljud GLAN 8SATA3 8DDR4 USB-C ATX 1,00
 CPU STRX4 AMD Ryzen Theadripper3 3990X 2,9-4,3GHz 64-core 128-thread
256MB 88-lanes 280W 1,00
 Kylning Corsair Hydro H100i RGB 115x/2066/AM2/AM3/AM4/TR4 240mm 1,00
 Minne DDR4 128GB-kit 4*32GB PC25600 3200MHz G.Skill 2,00
 Hårddisk M.2 NVMe 1TB SSD 5000/4400 Seagate 520 4.0 1DWPD 2280 1,00
 Hårddisk SATA3 2TB Western Digital 256MB Blue 3,5 1,00
 Grafikkort PCIE GT1030 2GB DVI/HDMI tyst 1,00
 Nätverkskort PCIE Intel 1000 CT Desktop HP/LP GLAN 1,00
 Låda Fractal design Define R5 Miditower svart, ATX utan nätdel 1,00
 Nätagg 850W Chieftec Proton modulärt 80+ Bronze 2*EPS 140mm 1,00
 Bildskärm 24 Viewsonic VA2419 VGA/HDMI IPS 1080p

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#225037

lina wrote: 
> Hi All,
> 
> Previously I have asked for the comments about one workstation, here
> is a alternative option, that would nice to get your input about this
> workstation which is for parallel computation purposes solely, in
> terms of cooling and speed, debian compatibility and anything else,
> Thanks again, lina
> 
> Moderkort STRX4 Asus Prime TRX40-PRO 3NVMe ljud GLAN 8SATA3 8DDR4 USB-C ATX 1,00
>  CPU STRX4 AMD Ryzen Theadripper3 3990X 2,9-4,3GHz 64-core 128-thread
> 256MB 88-lanes 280W 1,00
>  Kylning Corsair Hydro H100i RGB 115x/2066/AM2/AM3/AM4/TR4 240mm 1,00
>  Minne DDR4 128GB-kit 4*32GB PC25600 3200MHz G.Skill 2,00
>  H??rddisk M.2 NVMe 1TB SSD 5000/4400 Seagate 520 4.0 1DWPD 2280 1,00
>  H??rddisk SATA3 2TB Western Digital 256MB Blue 3,5 1,00
>  Grafikkort PCIE GT1030 2GB DVI/HDMI tyst 1,00
>  N??tverkskort PCIE Intel 1000 CT Desktop HP/LP GLAN 1,00
>  L??da Fractal design Define R5 Miditower svart, ATX utan n??tdel 1,00
>  N??tagg 850W Chieftec Proton modul??rt 80+ Bronze 2*EPS 140mm 1,00
>  Bildsk??rm 24 Viewsonic VA2419 VGA/HDMI IPS 1080p

You should not have any problems running Debian on that.
Performance should be excellent.

-dsr-

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#225039

Hi Dan,
Great, thanks!

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:15 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
>
> lina wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Previously I have asked for the comments about one workstation, here
> > is a alternative option, that would nice to get your input about this
> > workstation which is for parallel computation purposes solely, in
> > terms of cooling and speed, debian compatibility and anything else,
> > Thanks again, lina
> >
> > Moderkort STRX4 Asus Prime TRX40-PRO 3NVMe ljud GLAN 8SATA3 8DDR4 USB-C ATX 1,00
> >  CPU STRX4 AMD Ryzen Theadripper3 3990X 2,9-4,3GHz 64-core 128-thread
> > 256MB 88-lanes 280W 1,00
> >  Kylning Corsair Hydro H100i RGB 115x/2066/AM2/AM3/AM4/TR4 240mm 1,00
> >  Minne DDR4 128GB-kit 4*32GB PC25600 3200MHz G.Skill 2,00
> >  H??rddisk M.2 NVMe 1TB SSD 5000/4400 Seagate 520 4.0 1DWPD 2280 1,00
> >  H??rddisk SATA3 2TB Western Digital 256MB Blue 3,5 1,00
> >  Grafikkort PCIE GT1030 2GB DVI/HDMI tyst 1,00
> >  N??tverkskort PCIE Intel 1000 CT Desktop HP/LP GLAN 1,00
> >  L??da Fractal design Define R5 Miditower svart, ATX utan n??tdel 1,00
> >  N??tagg 850W Chieftec Proton modul??rt 80+ Bronze 2*EPS 140mm 1,00
> >  Bildsk??rm 24 Viewsonic VA2419 VGA/HDMI IPS 1080p
>
> You should not have any problems running Debian on that.
> Performance should be excellent.
>
> -dsr-

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#225061

lina wrote:

> Previously I have asked for the comments about one workstation, 
> here is a alternative option, that would nice to get your input 
> about this workstation which is for parallel computation purposes 
> solely, in terms of cooling and speed, debian compatibility 
> and anything else,
> ....

  I was curious about the cost of a workstation
  configured as you have specified and did a bit
  of searching at newegg.com to try and estimate
  current prices .... 
  
  amd workstation .... 

        Price      Item  

       $449.99  asus motherboard
     $3,599.99  amd threadripper cpu
       $199.22  cooling system
       $579.99  128 gb memory
       $247.99  1 tb pcie nvme
        $54.19  2 tb hdd
        $84.99  asus graphics card 
        $77.93  intel glan card
       $119.99  atx midtower case 
       $159.98  evga 850w moduler power supply 
       $130.32  viewsonic 24in hdmi monitor

     $5,704.58  Total

  
  I posted links to similar if not identical items 
  from the original post at newengg on my personal 
  web space .... 

    http://csphx.net/amd_ws.htm


-- 
Stanley C. Kitching
Human Being
Phoenix, Arizona

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#225069

Cousin Stanley wrote: 
> 
>      $5,704.58  Total
> 

Machrone's Law: the computer you really want always costs $5000.

-dsr-

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#225075

Hi,

Dan Ritter wrote:
> Machrone's Law: the computer you really want always costs $5000.

There once was a rule for Hewlett Packard Germany that every part
costs 5000 Mark.

Actually i am in good hope for my next workstation for about 1600 EUR:
  Xeon, 4+ GHz, 4 core, 32 GB DDR4-2666 ECC,
  500 GB NVMe x4, 4 TB HDD CMR, Blu-ray burner,
  low noise Midi-Tower, extra silent 550W power supply
(3 percent points VAT reduction because of the plague times we are in !)


I lack of ideas for employing more than 4 cores with 8 threads.
But if i had bursting money bags, highly parallel work to do,
and a free room in the basement, i'd consider a double processor
with 192 cores and 768 Threads:

  https://www.hardwareluxx.de/images/cdn01/8796C26D364947EEADD20D47BCA5D03D/img/9A6D747A98C74942B3962C889D782DDC/Gigabyte-Marvell-ThunderX3-00001_9A6D747A98C74942B3962C889D782DDC.jpg

Nevertheless, i am already duely impressed by the single Threadripper
with 64 cores (for about 3900 EUR over here).


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#225077

> There once was a rule for Hewlett Packard Germany that every part
> costs 5000 Mark.

Back when there was a difference between PCs and workstations the main
rule I remember was that about half the money went to the screen.

> Actually i am in good hope for my next workstation for about 1600 EUR:
>   Xeon, 4+ GHz, 4 core, 32 GB DDR4-2666 ECC,
>   500 GB NVMe x4, 4 TB HDD CMR, Blu-ray burner,
>   low noise Midi-Tower, extra silent 550W power supply
> (3 percent points VAT reduction because of the plague times we are in !)

My last PC/workstation was a good bit less money than that and
*actually* (rather than "extra") silent (Thin-ITX with a fanless case).
Admittedly, it was only dual-core, but looking at recent processors,
quad-cores (e.g. Ryzen 5 Pro 3400G, tho the Ryzen 5 Pro 3400GE's 35W TDP
would be even better) should fit within the power-constraints of such
a fanless case.


        Stefan

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#225081

Hi,

Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Back when there was a difference between PCs and workstations the main
> rule I remember was that about half the money went to the screen.

And the box with the screen had big warnings that two people are needed
to unpack the content.


> My last PC/workstation was a good bit less money than that

Man goennt sich ja sonst nichts. :))
(= One doesn't allow oneself any other luxury.)

In any case it is what i can reasonably wish for.
I already have scruples because of the 32 GB of RAM. 16 would have been
enough. But i have this reflex to double the capacity with each new
generation of hardware. (Need to buy some organic turnips to compensate.)


> *actually* (rather than "extra") silent (Thin-ITX with a fanless case).

I began my planning with a small fanless system, because CPU power isn't
really an issue for me nowadays.
But i need a replacement for my current workstation after 5 years of
relentless service. There must be room for two SATA attached optical drives
and i was instructed that i want ECC RAM again. From ECC RAM my
hardware supplier quickly got to Xeon and matching mainboards. The local
Ryzen biotope for ECC is still small.
So i will have to endure some fans, albeit large and slowly spinning.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#225076

Here the cost is 9812.46$. The memory is 256gb.
Way too expensive. When we left the US, we bought two macs pro.
here the tax is high.
Thanks all

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:36 PM Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> lina wrote:
>
> > Previously I have asked for the comments about one workstation,
> > here is a alternative option, that would nice to get your input
> > about this workstation which is for parallel computation purposes
> > solely, in terms of cooling and speed, debian compatibility
> > and anything else,
> > ....
>
>   I was curious about the cost of a workstation
>   configured as you have specified and did a bit
>   of searching at newegg.com to try and estimate
>   current prices ....
>
>   amd workstation ....
>
>         Price      Item
>
>        $449.99  asus motherboard
>      $3,599.99  amd threadripper cpu
>        $199.22  cooling system
>        $579.99  128 gb memory
>        $247.99  1 tb pcie nvme
>         $54.19  2 tb hdd
>         $84.99  asus graphics card
>         $77.93  intel glan card
>        $119.99  atx midtower case
>        $159.98  evga 850w moduler power supply
>        $130.32  viewsonic 24in hdmi monitor
>
>      $5,704.58  Total
>
>
>   I posted links to similar if not identical items
>   from the original post at newengg on my personal
>   web space ....
>
>     http://csphx.net/amd_ws.htm
>
>
> --
> Stanley C. Kitching
> Human Being
> Phoenix, Arizona
>

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On Lu, 20 iul 20, 10:18:57, Cousin Stanley wrote:
> lina wrote:
> 
> > Previously I have asked for the comments about one workstation, 
> > here is a alternative option, that would nice to get your input 
> > about this workstation which is for parallel computation purposes 
> > solely, in terms of cooling and speed, debian compatibility 
> > and anything else,
> > ....
> 
>   I was curious about the cost of a workstation
>   configured as you have specified and did a bit
>   of searching at newegg.com to try and estimate
>   current prices .... 

Please be considerate of the international audience of this list and 
stop posting prices in the US :p

>   amd workstation .... 
> 
>         Price      Item  
> 
>      $3,599.99  amd threadripper cpu

3.889,45 € at Amazon Germany.

https://www.amazon.de/AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-3990x-4-3GHz/dp/B0815SBQ9W

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 02:56:28 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> Please be considerate of the international audience of this list and
> stop posting prices in the US :p

I don't understand your objection -- to you object to prices in general, or 
specifically US?  (Surely you don't expect prices in every currency / country 
where a product is available.)  Hmm, maybe I have to look up the :p emoticon 
(or whatever it is called) ...

Ok, one defintion from a google search:

The "P" is a mouth with the tongue sticking out. :P. Frustrated or Sticking 
Tongue Out. Google Frustrated or Sticking Tongue Out Emoticon. This emoticon 
can be used for expressing frustration, indicating tiredness, or just being 
silly.

www.emoticonr.com › emoticons › frustrated-tongue
Frustrated tongue Emoticons and Smileys :P, =P, :-P, :P, :-P, :P

OK, so that is a little ambiguous. :-(

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 02:38:08PM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 02:56:28 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Please be considerate of the international audience of this list and
> > stop posting prices in the US :p
> 
> I don't understand your objection -- to you object to prices in general, or 
> specifically US?

[...]

This was tongue-in-cheek. So not to be taken too seriously.
> 
> Ok, one defintion from a google search:
> 
> The "P" is a mouth with the tongue sticking out. :P. Frustrated or Sticking 
> Tongue Out. Google Frustrated or Sticking Tongue Out Emoticon. This emoticon 
> can be used for expressing frustration, indicating tiredness, or just being 
> silly.

[...]

> OK, so that is a little ambiguous. :-(

It was rather some humorous "hey, don't make us all jealous with your low
prices!" or something. But the OP will be in better position to disambiguate.

Cheers
-- t

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#225114

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 04:07:45 PM tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> It was rather some humorous "hey, don't make us all jealous with your low
> prices!" or something. But the OP will be in better position to
> disambiguate.

Ahh, ok, thanks!

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On Ma, 21 iul 20, 22:07:45, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 02:38:08PM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 02:56:28 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > Please be considerate of the international audience of this list and
> > > stop posting prices in the US :p
> > 
> > I don't understand your objection -- to you object to prices in general, or 
> > specifically US?
> 
> [...]
> 
> This was tongue-in-cheek. So not to be taken too seriously.
> > 
> > Ok, one defintion from a google search:
> > 
> > The "P" is a mouth with the tongue sticking out. :P. Frustrated or Sticking 
> > Tongue Out. Google Frustrated or Sticking Tongue Out Emoticon. This emoticon 
> > can be used for expressing frustration, indicating tiredness, or just being 
> > silly.
> 
> [...]
> 
> > OK, so that is a little ambiguous. :-(
> 
> It was rather some humorous "hey, don't make us all jealous with your low
> prices!" or something. But the OP will be in better position to disambiguate.

Spot on! :)

Not only are the prices same value or smaller in US$ than €, some 
products are never released for the european market.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#225082

On 2020-07-20 06:07, lina wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Previously I have asked for the comments about one workstation, here
> is a alternative option, that would nice to get your input about this
> workstation which is for parallel computation purposes solely, in
> terms of cooling and speed, debian compatibility and anything else,
> Thanks again, lina
> 
> Moderkort STRX4 Asus Prime TRX40-PRO 3NVMe ljud GLAN 8SATA3 8DDR4 USB-C ATX 1,00
>   CPU STRX4 AMD Ryzen Theadripper3 3990X 2,9-4,3GHz 64-core 128-thread
> 256MB 88-lanes 280W 1,00
>   Kylning Corsair Hydro H100i RGB 115x/2066/AM2/AM3/AM4/TR4 240mm 1,00
>   Minne DDR4 128GB-kit 4*32GB PC25600 3200MHz G.Skill 2,00
>   Hårddisk M.2 NVMe 1TB SSD 5000/4400 Seagate 520 4.0 1DWPD 2280 1,00
>   Hårddisk SATA3 2TB Western Digital 256MB Blue 3,5 1,00
>   Grafikkort PCIE GT1030 2GB DVI/HDMI tyst 1,00
>   Nätverkskort PCIE Intel 1000 CT Desktop HP/LP GLAN 1,00
>   Låda Fractal design Define R5 Miditower svart, ATX utan nätdel 1,00
>   Nätagg 850W Chieftec Proton modulärt 80+ Bronze 2*EPS 140mm 1,00
>   Bildskärm 24 Viewsonic VA2419 VGA/HDMI IPS 1080p
> 

What parallel computations do you intent to perform?


What software stack do you intent to deploy?


When you say "parallel computation purposes solely", I think clusters of 
HPC Linux nodes (servers):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-performance_computing


As expected, new hardware is expensive.  But, prices drop quickly for 
used hardware:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/175698/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=xeon+phi+server&LH_TitleDesc=0

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Asrock-Rack-Xeon-Phi-7210-Server-2U4N-F-X202-2U-Crypto-or-Server-4-nodes/153839710603?hash=item23d18fb18b:g:UKEAAOSwcOBeESoj


Don't forget about storage (and fabric), networking, power, and cooling.


David

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On Lu, 20 iul 20, 15:07:35, lina wrote:
> 
> Moderkort STRX4 Asus Prime TRX40-PRO 3NVMe ljud GLAN 8SATA3 8DDR4 USB-C ATX 1,00
>  CPU STRX4 AMD Ryzen Theadripper3 3990X 2,9-4,3GHz 64-core 128-thread
> 256MB 88-lanes 280W 1,00
>  Kylning Corsair Hydro H100i RGB 115x/2066/AM2/AM3/AM4/TR4 240mm 1,00
>  Minne DDR4 128GB-kit 4*32GB PC25600 3200MHz G.Skill 2,00
>  Hårddisk M.2 NVMe 1TB SSD 5000/4400 Seagate 520 4.0 1DWPD 2280 1,00
>  Hårddisk SATA3 2TB Western Digital 256MB Blue 3,5 1,00
>  Grafikkort PCIE GT1030 2GB DVI/HDMI tyst 1,00
>  Nätverkskort PCIE Intel 1000 CT Desktop HP/LP GLAN 1,00
>  Låda Fractal design Define R5 Miditower svart, ATX utan nätdel 1,00
>  Nätagg 850W Chieftec Proton modulärt 80+ Bronze 2*EPS 140mm 1,00
>  Bildskärm 24 Viewsonic VA2419 VGA/HDMI IPS 1080p
 
I can't stop thinking this looks very much like an IKEA shopping list, 
especially if you get to assemble it yourself :)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#225095

Hi,

Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> I can't stop thinking this looks very much like an IKEA shopping list,

My hypothetical basement server room would be equipped with
  Desk Skarsta
  Chair Hattefjäll
  Bookshelf Billy

> especially if you get to assemble it yourself :)

One Allen key to screw them all ...


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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