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  Installation Problem "Vlad Dragomir" <vladdragomir1983@gmail.com> - 2020-07-14 22:40 +0200
    Re: Installation Problem David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-07-14 22:50 +0200
      Re: Installation Problem ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2020-07-14 23:00 +0200
      Re: Installation Problem Bob McGowan <ramjr0915@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 00:10 +0200
    Re: Installation Problem Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-07-14 23:00 +0200
      Re: Installation Problem David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-15 00:10 +0200
      RE: Installation Problem "Vlad Dragomir" <vladdragomir1983@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 05:50 +0200
        Re: Installation Problem David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-15 06:20 +0200
          Re: Installation Problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-15 09:50 +0200
        Re: Installation Problem Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-07-15 14:40 +0200
          RE: Installation Problem "Vlad Dragomir" <vladdragomir1983@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 18:10 +0200
            Re: Installation Problem Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 19:20 +0200
    Re: Installation Problem Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2020-07-15 12:50 +0200

#224810 — Installation Problem

Good evening,

I am very new to Debian, and would like to apologise first, I might not know how exactly to describe this issue.

I tried to install Debian on an unused laptop I'm having, using the iso downloaded from this torrent:
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.4.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-dvd/firmware-10.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent

It started wonderfully, the installation went smoothly until it tried to connect to the Internet. It asks for additional non-free firmware, unfortunately it's an Intel wireless card. It gives a list of files it needs in order to configure the network, which is I suppose a good start. Still,
1.	I have no idea where to find those files, Google didn’t help me much with this.
2.	If I find those files, I don’t know where exactly to paste them on the installation drive for it to see them.
3.	This installation iso pretends it contains non-free firmware already, so normally it shouldn’t ask for those files. Am I missing something?
Therefore, I had to cancel the installation, at least for the time being. It would be rather useless to have a system without Internet access. 

Here is the list of files the installer asks for:
iwlwifi-8000C-36.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-35.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-34.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-33.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-32.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-31.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-30.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-29.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-28.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-27.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-26.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-25.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-24.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-23.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-22.ucode

I will be grateful for any tip that would help me make this work, I'm not ready to give up, would love to keep one foot in the world of free software, except for the Network card of course. *smile*

Thanks for helping the newbie, and sorry again if I'm not asking things the right way.

Regards,

Vlad.

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#224811

On 2020-07-14 13:33, Vlad Dragomir wrote:

> I tried to install Debian on an unused laptop I'm having,

> It asks for additional non-free firmware, unfortunately it's an Intel wireless card. It gives a list of files it needs in order to configure the network, which is I suppose a good start. Still,
> 1.	I have no idea where to find those files, Google didn’t help me much with this.
> 2.	If I find those files, I don’t know where exactly to paste them on the installation drive for it to see them.
> 3.	This installation iso pretends it contains non-free firmware already, so normally it shouldn’t ask for those files. Am I missing something?
> Therefore, I had to cancel the installation, at least for the time being. It would be rather useless to have a system without Internet access.

Proprietary Wi-Fi firmware is an unending PITA with FOSS.


I buy laptops with wired Ethernet interfaces to avoid this problem.  I 
then use the wired connection for installation and for installing Wi-Fi 
firmware.


If I needed to install Debian on a laptop without Ethernet, I would buy 
a USB Ethernet adapter.  The key is finding one that is supported by 
FOSS OOTB.  Unfortunately, I do not own one and cannot make a 
recommendation.  (And, these products constantly change.)  I would  STFW 
for mailing list and forum archives for USB WiFi adapaters that are 
known to work with Debian 10.  If you are willing to buy used equipment 
(if only to do the install and firmware for the build-in Wi-Fi), eBay is 
a good source.


David

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#224813

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On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:48 PM, David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:

> If I needed to install Debian on a laptop without Ethernet, I would buy
> a USB Ethernet adapter. The key is finding one that is supported by
> FOSS OOTB.

Take a look at Raspberry Pi sources. RPIs have Enet OOTB, but there are lots of USB dongles that work with the Debian software in RPIs. Might give a hint. Or maybe even a promise.

--
Glenn English

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#224816

On 7/14/20 1:48 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> On 2020-07-14 13:33, Vlad Dragomir wrote:
> 
>> I tried to install Debian on an unused laptop I'm having,
> 
>> It asks for additional non-free firmware, unfortunately it's an Intel 
>> wireless card. It gives a list of files it needs in order to configure 
>> the network, which is I suppose a good start. Still,
>> 1.    I have no idea where to find those files, Google didn’t help me 
>> much with this.
>> 2.    If I find those files, I don’t know where exactly to paste them 
>> on the installation drive for it to see them.
>> 3.    This installation iso pretends it contains non-free firmware 
>> already, so normally it shouldn’t ask for those files. Am I missing 
>> something?
>> Therefore, I had to cancel the installation, at least for the time 
>> being. It would be rather useless to have a system without Internet 
>> access.
> 
> Proprietary Wi-Fi firmware is an unending PITA with FOSS.
> 
> 
> I buy laptops with wired Ethernet interfaces to avoid this problem.  I 
> then use the wired connection for installation and for installing Wi-Fi 
> firmware.
> 
> 
> If I needed to install Debian on a laptop without Ethernet, I would buy 
> a USB Ethernet adapter.  The key is finding one that is supported by 
> FOSS OOTB.  Unfortunately, I do not own one and cannot make a 
> recommendation.  (And, these products constantly change.)  I would  STFW 
> for mailing list and forum archives for USB WiFi adapaters that are 
> known to work with Debian 10.  If you are willing to buy used equipment 
> (if only to do the install and firmware for the build-in Wi-Fi), eBay is 
> a good source.
> 
> 
> David
> 
If you need a USB<->Ethernet dongle, I recently purchased one, through 
Amazon.  It is a Gigabit/USB3.0 dongle that works nicely with Debian.

The manufacturer is "plugable" (plugable.com) and the device is model 
USB3-E1000.

As an aside, for anyone that might be interested, I tested it 
successfully with both a Samsung Galaxy S9 cellphone and a Lenovo Tablet 
TB-8504F, which surprised me a bit.  I've also tested on two other 
Android tablets, where it did not work, so mileage will vary.

Regardless, it works with Debian without a hitch. ;)

Bob

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#224812

Vlad Dragomir wrote: 
> I am very new to Debian, and would like to apologise first, I might not know how exactly to describe this issue.

Everybody starts somewhere.


> I tried to install Debian on an unused laptop I'm having, using the iso downloaded from this torrent:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.4.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-dvd/firmware-10.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent

Pretty good choice.

> It started wonderfully, the installation went smoothly until it tried to connect to the Internet. It asks for additional non-free firmware, unfortunately it's an Intel wireless card. It gives a list of files it needs in order to configure the network, which is I suppose a good start. Still,
> 1.	I have no idea where to find those files, Google didn???t help me much with this.
> 2.	If I find those files, I don???t know where exactly to paste them on the installation drive for it to see them.
> 3.	This installation iso pretends it contains non-free firmware already, so normally it shouldn???t ask for those files. Am I missing something?
> Therefore, I had to cancel the installation, at least for the time being. It would be rather useless to have a system without Internet access. 

Let's find out which Intel wireless card you have. With the
installer running, choose "start local shell".

Then type 

lspci 

and look for lines with Network in them. They should start with
a number like 03.00 or something like that.

Tell us the output from

lspci -vv ####

where #### is the number from the Network line.

-dsr-

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#224815

On Tue 14 Jul 2020 at 16:59:00 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote:
> Vlad Dragomir wrote: 
> > I am very new to Debian, and would like to apologise first, I might not know how exactly to describe this issue.
> 
> Everybody starts somewhere.
> 
> 
> > I tried to install Debian on an unused laptop I'm having, using the iso downloaded from this torrent:
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.4.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-dvd/firmware-10.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent
> 
> Pretty good choice.
> 
> > It started wonderfully, the installation went smoothly until it tried to connect to the Internet. It asks for additional non-free firmware, unfortunately it's an Intel wireless card. It gives a list of files it needs in order to configure the network, which is I suppose a good start. Still,
> > 1.	I have no idea where to find those files, Google didn???t help me much with this.
> > 2.	If I find those files, I don???t know where exactly to paste them on the installation drive for it to see them.
> > 3.	This installation iso pretends it contains non-free firmware already, so normally it shouldn???t ask for those files. Am I missing something?
> > Therefore, I had to cancel the installation, at least for the time being. It would be rather useless to have a system without Internet access. 
> 
> Let's find out which Intel wireless card you have. With the
> installer running, choose "start local shell".
> 
> Then type 
> 
> lspci 
> 
> and look for lines with Network in them. They should start with
> a number like 03.00 or something like that.
> 
> Tell us the output from
> 
> lspci -vv ####
> 
> where #### is the number from the Network line.

It seems odd that it's asking for such a long list of files.
I assume it would be happy with just one of them, and it's
just giving alternatives in order of preference.

iwlwifi-8000C-36.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-35.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-34.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-33.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-32.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-31.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-30.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-29.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-28.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-27.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-26.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-25.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-24.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-23.ucode
iwlwifi-8000C-22.ucode

But even my netinst ISO (firmware-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso 394265k Nov 16  2019)
contains the first and last of these:
iwlwifi-8000C-22.ucode     2120860 Aug 22  2019
iwlwifi-8000C-36.ucode     2486572 Aug 22  2019

BTW googling the filename gave me a link to
https://github.com/wkennington/linux-firmware/blob/master/iwlwifi-8000C-36.ucode
as the second hit.

Cheers,
David.

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#224821

Hello,

Thank you all for all those great responses, I'm definitely grateful.

Dan, I followed your instructions, please tell me if this is the expected output, I'll try to transcribe everything:
Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev 3a)

Would you please tell me what to do next?

David,

I found that file too, actually I found four or five of them, but not all. I put them on the USB installation drive but the installer kept asking for them. I'm sorry, I should have been more precise when I said that Google didn't help me much. What I meant was: it only found a few of those files and they were ignored by the installer.

Digital thanks to all those who took a moment to write back!

Vlad. 

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#224822

On Wed 15 Jul 2020 at 05:43:06 (+0200), Vlad Dragomir wrote:
> 
> I found that file too, actually I found four or five of them, but not all. I put them on the USB installation drive but the installer kept asking for them. I'm sorry, I should have been more precise when I said that Google didn't help me much. What I meant was: it only found a few of those files and they were ignored by the installer.

The most reliable place I've found in the past was in the top-level
directory on an ordinary FAT-partitioned USB stick.

The installer writes a log to VC4, which should record where it
looks. If the lines in question have already scrolled off the screen,
the log can be displayed (rather tediously) with the command
# more /var/log/syslog
in a shell you can open on VC2 or VC3.

Cheers,
David.

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#224827

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On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:14:16PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 15 Jul 2020 at 05:43:06 (+0200), Vlad Dragomir wrote:
> > 
> > I found that file too, actually I found four or five of them, but not all. I put them on the USB installation drive but the installer kept asking for them. I'm sorry, I should have been more precise when I said that Google didn't help me much. What I meant was: it only found a few of those files and they were ignored by the installer.
> 
> The most reliable place I've found in the past was in the top-level
> directory on an ordinary FAT-partitioned USB stick.
> 
> The installer writes a log to VC4, which should record where it
                             ^^^^^^^^

This is "virtual console 4". You switch to it by hitting CTRL-ALT-F4.
Similarly...

> looks. If the lines in question have already scrolled off the screen,
> the log can be displayed (rather tediously) with the command
> # more /var/log/syslog
> in a shell you can open on VC2 or VC3.

...for the other virtual consoles.

Cheers
-- t

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#224839

Vlad Dragomir wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> Thank you all for all those great responses, I'm definitely grateful.
> 
> Dan, I followed your instructions, please tell me if this is the expected output, I'll try to transcribe everything:
> Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev 3a)
> 
> Would you please tell me what to do next?

Good news. This adapter is well-supported. It does need a
non-free firmware blob, which is packaged as firmware-iwlwifi.

The curious thing is, the install disc that you downloaded
should have that package.

Anyway. Grab
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/buster/current/

and uncompress one of those three archives on a USB stick; when
the installer asks you if you have a removable disk with drivers
or firmware, plug it in.

Around the middle of the install, the installer will ask you
what Debian repositories to enable. In addition to selecting
security updates, add non-free. 

-dsr-

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#224860

Worked like a charm, I'm almost at the end of the installation process.

Yes indeed, the downloaded archive contains more firmware compared to the installation disc, not very logical in my opinion but I am not a pro.

Thank you so much, virtual pints for everybody!

Cheers,

Vlad.

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#224861

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On Mi, 15 iul 20, 18:07:53, Vlad Dragomir wrote:
> Worked like a charm, I'm almost at the end of the installation process.
> 
> Yes indeed, the downloaded archive contains more firmware compared to the installation disc, not very logical in my opinion but I am not a pro.
> 
> Thank you so much, virtual pints for everybody!

Hi Vlad,

This sounds like a problem with either the installer or the way the 
image was built.

Please file an "installation-report" after you are finished with

    reportbug installation-report

Have fun with Debian,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#224833

On 07/14/2020 03:33 PM, Vlad Dragomir wrote:
> Good evening,
> 
> I am very new to Debian, and would like to apologise first, I might not know how exactly to describe this issue.
> 
> I tried to install Debian on an unused laptop I'm having, [ *SNIP* ]

What is make and model of the laptop?

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