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  Putting a Debian Repository in a Mint 20 System for Chromium Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-07-09 02:20 +0200
    Re: Putting a Debian Repository in a Mint 20 System for Chromium Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-07-09 02:50 +0200
      Re: Putting a Debian Repository in a Mint 20 System for Chromium Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-07-09 03:30 +0200
    Re: Putting a Debian Repository in a Mint 20 System for Chromium Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2020-07-09 06:50 +0200
    Re: Putting a Debian Repository in a Mint 20 System for Chromium Keith bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> - 2020-07-09 09:10 +0200
    Re: Putting a Debian Repository in a Mint 20 System for Chromium Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-07-09 12:20 +0200

#224612 — Putting a Debian Repository in a Mint 20 System for Chromium

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Hello,

[background]
I happily run Chromium under, both Debian Buster and Devuan Ascii (non
SystemD equivalent to Stretch).  It comes with proper .deb files and
installs quite well, thank you very much.

Somehow, Ubuntu decided to make Chromium a Snap Package.  (I'm reading the
articles about it now.  I don't like it).

I am not running Ubuntu (except as a Cloud Server, but that will change
eventually to Debian).

*But*, I decided to install Mint 20, to help out a Friend, who is doing
some work I support under it.  Mint hates Snap, even though it's based on
Ubuntu.  However, they didn't take the step themselves to put the Debian
Repositories in for Chromium.
[/background]

Now, when running Debian Systems, people caution against mixing
Repositories from other Distributions.  Does this work the other way?
Would I get into trouble, adding the Buster (or Bullseye) Repositories,
only for installing Chromium from it?

I'm asking here, because I'm sure people here have experience
using derivatives, such as Ubuntu and Mint.  (And yes, Mint has a Forum,
but I got into trouble, for "suggesting" that they provide an Expert Text
Mode Install for Mint, like Debian does.  Yes, I needed help with the
Ubiquity System Mint uses for its Install).

[Humor]
There have been discussions about not creating a FrankenDebian System.  How
about FrankenMint or FrankenUbuntu one?
[/Humor]

Thanks in advance,

Kenneth Parker

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#224614

Kenneth Parker wrote: 
> I happily run Chromium under, both Debian Buster and Devuan Ascii (non
> SystemD equivalent to Stretch).  It comes with proper .deb files and
> installs quite well, thank you very much.

Chromium is the open-source version of Chrome. You can also get
Chrome itself from Google, if that's what you want. That's not
an open-source package.

> Somehow, Ubuntu decided to make Chromium a Snap Package.  (I'm reading the
> articles about it now.  I don't like it).
> 
> *But*, I decided to install Mint 20, to help out a Friend, who is doing
> some work I support under it.  Mint hates Snap, even though it's based on
> Ubuntu.  However, they didn't take the step themselves to put the Debian
> Repositories in for Chromium.
> [/background]
> 
> Now, when running Debian Systems, people caution against mixing
> Repositories from other Distributions.  Does this work the other way?
> Would I get into trouble, adding the Buster (or Bullseye) Repositories,
> only for installing Chromium from it?

The underlying reason for avoiding mixing repos is that you
create a system where things stop working and you might not be
able to get back to usable.

This is least likely to happen when you install a repo that only
adds an application package: if the package doesn't work, you
know what went wrong and how to remove it.

It is most likely to happen when you install a repo with lots of
packages, especially libraries that many other packages depend
on.

> [Humor]
> There have been discussions about not creating a FrankenDebian System.  How
> about FrankenMint or FrankenUbuntu one?
> [/Humor]

In the end, you are responsible for what you do. When you know
what you are doing, it is much safer to experiment than when you
don't know what you are doing.

You might try getting the Debian Chromium package directly,
without a repo. It won't update automatically, but that might
also be what you want.

-dsr-

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#224615

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On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:47 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > I happily run Chromium under, both Debian Buster and Devuan Ascii (non
> > SystemD equivalent to Stretch).  It comes with proper .deb files and
> > installs quite well, thank you very much.
>
> Chromium is the open-source version of Chrome. You can also get
> Chrome itself from Google, if that's what you want. That's not
> an open-source package.
>
> > Somehow, Ubuntu decided to make Chromium a Snap Package.  (I'm reading
> the
> > articles about it now.  I don't like it).
> >
> > *But*, I decided to install Mint 20, to help out a Friend, who is doing
> > some work I support under it.  Mint hates Snap, even though it's based on
> > Ubuntu.  However, they didn't take the step themselves to put the Debian
> > Repositories in for Chromium.
> > [/background]
> >
> > Now, when running Debian Systems, people caution against mixing
> > Repositories from other Distributions.  Does this work the other way?
> > Would I get into trouble, adding the Buster (or Bullseye) Repositories,
> > only for installing Chromium from it?
>
> The underlying reason for avoiding mixing repos is that you
> create a system where things stop working and you might not be
> able to get back to usable.
>
> This is least likely to happen when you install a repo that only
> adds an application package: if the package doesn't work, you
> know what went wrong and how to remove it.
>

In my earlier search, I missed  a rather important article [1] in the Mint
Install Guide which, among other things, mentions "Apt Pinning", and even
does a Shoutout to Debian Buster.  I think this "Technique" will work for
me.

It is most likely to happen when you install a repo with lots of
> packages, especially libraries that many other packages depend
> on.
>
> > [Humor]
> > There have been discussions about not creating a FrankenDebian System.
> How
> > about FrankenMint or FrankenUbuntu one?
> > [/Humor]
>
> In the end, you are responsible for what you do. When you know
> what you are doing, it is much safer to experiment than when you
> don't know what you are doing.
>

+1  --  We are *absolutely* responsible for what we do!

You might try getting the Debian Chromium package directly,
> without a repo. It won't update automatically, but that might
> also be what you want.
>

That will also be an option if I have problems.  But I'm going to try the
"Apt Pinning" technique, mentioned above and in this Article.  Apparently,
it limits what is installed from a particular Repository, so that I don't
"Busterize Mint".

[1] https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/chromium.html

Thank you, by the way!

Kenneth Parker

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#224626

On 7/8/20 18:11, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> [background]
> I happily run Chromium under, both Debian Buster and Devuan Ascii (non
> SystemD equivalent to Stretch).  It comes with proper .deb files and
> installs quite well, thank you very much.
> 
> Somehow, Ubuntu decided to make Chromium a Snap Package.  (I'm reading the
> articles about it now.  I don't like it).
> 
> I am not running Ubuntu (except as a Cloud Server, but that will change
> eventually to Debian).
> 
> *But*, I decided to install Mint 20, to help out a Friend, who is doing
> some work I support under it.  Mint hates Snap, even though it's based on
> Ubuntu.  However, they didn't take the step themselves to put the Debian
> Repositories in for Chromium.
> [/background]
> 
> Now, when running Debian Systems, people caution against mixing
> Repositories from other Distributions.  Does this work the other way?
> Would I get into trouble, adding the Buster (or Bullseye) Repositories,
> only for installing Chromium from it?

I also am not a fan of things like Snap. But for ample reasons it
probably would be a rather bad idea to throw a Debian repository into
the Ubuntu-based Mint sources.list.

Linux Mint Debian Edition might be a better choice if you do not rely on
packages on Ubuntu features Debian does not have. The present release
live dvd appears based on Debian 10.2; /etc/os-release shows:

PRETTY_NAME="LMDE 4 (debbie)"
NAME="LMDE"
VERSION_ID="4"
VERSION="4 (debbie)"
ID=linuxmint
ID_LIKE=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://forums.linuxmint.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://linuxmint-troubleshooting-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
VERSION_CODENAME=debbie
DEBIAN_CODENAME=busters

> 
> I'm asking here, because I'm sure people here have experience
> using derivatives, such as Ubuntu and Mint.  (And yes, Mint has a Forum,
> but I got into trouble, for "suggesting" that they provide an Expert Text
> Mode Install for Mint, like Debian does.  Yes, I needed help with the
> Ubiquity System Mint uses for its Install).
> 
> [Humor]
> There have been discussions about not creating a FrankenDebian System.  How
> about FrankenMint or FrankenUbuntu one?
> [/Humor]
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Kenneth Parker
> 

Regards,
Tom Dial

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#224628

On 9/7/20 10:11 am, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> However, they didn't take the step themselves to put the Debian 
> Repositories in for Chromium.


Good afternoon


I just fired up a mint 20 .iso in VBox and tried to install 
chromium-browser. apt reported it installed, but it wouldn't start - 
neither via menu nor from CLI.

You might do better from a full install


-- 

Keith Bainbridge

keithrbau@gmail.com

0447 667468

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#224637

On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 08:11:29PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
>Now, when running Debian Systems, people caution against mixing
>Repositories from other Distributions.  Does this work the other way?
>Would I get into trouble, adding the Buster (or Bullseye) Repositories,
>only for installing Chromium from it?

Yes. The exact same issue applies the other way around.


-- 
👱🏻	Jonathan Dowland
✎	 jmtd@debian.org
🔗	https://jmtd.net

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