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  Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2020-07-04 14:00 +0200
    Re: Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus nito@dismail.de - 2020-07-04 14:50 +0200
      Re: Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2020-07-05 05:50 +0200
        Re: Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-05 09:00 +0200
          Re: Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2020-07-05 11:50 +0200
        Re: Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-05 12:20 +0200
        Re: Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2020-07-05 16:00 +0200
    Re: Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-07-04 15:30 +0200
      Re: Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus Keith bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> - 2020-07-05 09:10 +0200

#224347 — Remove undesired entries in MATE "Applications" sub-menus

I'm using Debian10 with the MATE desktop.
The Debian installer defaults to installing a mess of applications I 
rarely want. They end up with entries on MATE's Applications sub-menus.

Without deleting the offending applications from the system, how can I 
delete those menu entries and replace them with links to suitable 
applications.

Web search had lousy signal to noise ratio ;<

TIA

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#224348

On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 06:53:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm using Debian10 with the MATE desktop.
> The Debian installer defaults to installing a mess of applications I rarely
> want. They end up with entries on MATE's Applications sub-menus.
> 
> Without deleting the offending applications from the system, how can I
> delete those menu entries and replace them with links to suitable
> applications.

MATE has graphical editor for this. If not already installed, the package
is named "mozo" as is the tool itself.
Otherwise you could try to edit the relevant .desktop files manually.

-- Nito

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#224372

On 07/04/2020 07:38 AM, nito@dismail.de wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 06:53:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I'm using Debian10 with the MATE desktop.
>> The Debian installer defaults to installing a mess of applications I rarely
>> want. They end up with entries on MATE's Applications sub-menus.
>>
>> Without deleting the offending applications from the system, how can I
>> delete those menu entries and replace them with links to suitable
>> applications.
> 
> MATE has graphical editor for this. If not already installed, the package
> is named "mozo" as is the tool itself.

How would one discover that? I've silently been grumbling about the 
problem since Debian first had MATE as a default option.

When today's web search turned up nothing I was both frustrated enough 
and in enough need to post.

> Otherwise you could try to edit the relevant .desktop files manually.

Where are they? How would I even know they existed?
I installed "mozo" and the "go to system, preferences, look and feel, 
main menu" to which Peter Ehlert referred magically appeared.

There is still a problem with MATE's internal help(sick;) for mozo.
It tells how to deactivate a selection. It says *NOTHING* about what 
happens when clicking on Preferences->Look and Feel->Main Menu followed 
by the title of the sub-menu you wish to modify and then clicking "+New 
Item".

What happens is a form titled "Create Launcher" appears.
Having added various apps to task bar &/or desktop I've dealt with that 
before.
*HOWEVER* Murphy rules supreme ;/
On multiple tries that form was *BEHIND* other displayed items.

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#224382

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On Sb, 04 iul 20, 22:42:59, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/04/2020 07:38 AM, nito@dismail.de wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 06:53:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > I'm using Debian10 with the MATE desktop.
> > > The Debian installer defaults to installing a mess of applications I rarely
> > > want. They end up with entries on MATE's Applications sub-menus.
> > > 
> > > Without deleting the offending applications from the system, how can I
> > > delete those menu entries and replace them with links to suitable
> > > applications.
> > 
> > MATE has graphical editor for this. If not already installed, the package
> > is named "mozo" as is the tool itself.
> 
> How would one discover that?

The package 'mozo' is recommended by 'mate-desktop-environment-extras', 
which is (only) suggested by 'mate-desktop-environment'.

> I've silently been grumbling about the problem
> since Debian first had MATE as a default option.

Do you mean as an alternative installation image? Debian's default 
desktop is still Gnome as far as I know.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#224388

On 07/05/2020 01:52 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 04 iul 20, 22:42:59, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 07/04/2020 07:38 AM, nito@dismail.de wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 06:53:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> I'm using Debian10 with the MATE desktop.
>>>> The Debian installer defaults to installing a mess of applications I rarely
>>>> want. They end up with entries on MATE's Applications sub-menus.
>>>>
>>>> Without deleting the offending applications from the system, how can I
>>>> delete those menu entries and replace them with links to suitable
>>>> applications.
>>>
>>> MATE has graphical editor for this. If not already installed, the package
>>> is named "mozo" as is the tool itself.
>>
>> How would one discover that?
> 
> The package 'mozo' is recommended by 'mate-desktop-environment-extras',
> which is (only) suggested by 'mate-desktop-environment'.
> 
>> I've silently been grumbling about the problem
>> since Debian first had MATE as a default option.
> 
> Do you mean as an alternative installation image? Debian's default
> desktop is still Gnome as far as I know.
>

I should not post when half asleep.
I have been using MATE since it was first offered as a choice on the 
Select and Install menu. I skipped whatever release that had Gnome3 
instead of Gnome2. I have always aimed at a somewhat minimalist install 
and the presence of LibreOffice and Firefox on the default menu has been 
annoying. Neither offers any features I find desirable. I've done 
multiple web searches for how to tweak the Applications menu [MATE's 
help system being its major weak point].

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#224391

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On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 10:42:59PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/04/2020 07:38 AM, nito@dismail.de wrote:

[...]

> >MATE has graphical editor for this. If not already installed, the package
> >is named "mozo" as is the tool itself.
> 
> How would one discover that? I've silently been grumbling about the
> problem since Debian first had MATE as a default option.

Asking in this list counts as an honorable option. Alternatively,
just try "apt search mate edit menu". I get seven hits, and mozo
is one of them. Way better SNR than the much hyped search engines
out there!

And don't get me started on the CO₂ footprint.

;-)

Cheers
-- t

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#224395

Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/04/2020 07:38 AM, nito@dismail.de wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 06:53:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> I'm using Debian10 with the MATE desktop.
>>> The Debian installer defaults to installing a mess of applications I rarely
>>> want. They end up with entries on MATE's Applications sub-menus.
>>>
>>> Without deleting the offending applications from the system, how can I
>>> delete those menu entries and replace them with links to suitable
>>> applications.
>> 
>> MATE has graphical editor for this. If not already installed, the package
>> is named "mozo" as is the tool itself.
>
> How would one discover that? I've silently been grumbling about the 
> problem since Debian first had MATE as a default option.

  reading the website, following links:

  https://mate-desktop.org/
  https://github.com/mate-desktop/


> When today's web search turned up nothing I was both frustrated enough 
> and in enough need to post.
>
>> Otherwise you could try to edit the relevant .desktop files manually.
>
> Where are they? How would I even know they existed?
> I installed "mozo" and the "go to system, preferences, look and feel, 
> main menu" to which Peter Ehlert referred magically appeared.

  usually reading source code can give some information.
also looking at the list of files a package installs can
be interesting.


apt-file list mozo


  songbird

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#224349

On 7/4/20 4:53 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm using Debian10 with the MATE desktop.
> The Debian installer defaults to installing a mess of applications I 
> rarely want. They end up with entries on MATE's Applications sub-menus.
>
> Without deleting the offending applications from the system, how can I 
> delete those menu entries and replace them with links to suitable 
> applications.

go to system, preferences, look and feel, main menu

uncheck the apps you do not want to see.

there is an option to create new menus, and another to create new items

select the Help button for additional guidance

>
> Web search had lousy signal to noise ratio ;<
>
> TIA
>
>

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#224383

On 4/7/20 11:10 pm, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> 
> On 7/4/20 4:53 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I'm using Debian10 with the MATE desktop.
>> The Debian installer defaults to installing a mess of applications I 
>> rarely want. They end up with entries on MATE's Applications sub-menus.
>>
>> Without deleting the offending applications from the system, how can I 
>> delete those menu entries and replace them with links to suitable 
>> applications.
> 
> go to system, preferences, look and feel, main menu
> 
> uncheck the apps you do not want to see.
> 
> there is an option to create new menus, and another to create new items
> 
> select the Help button for additional guidance
> 
>>
>> Web search had lousy signal to noise ratio ;<
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
> 


It's been a while, but I recall right clicking on the menu brought up 
this editor.

Alternatively, switch to Cinnamon which has almost as much 
customisation, AND I am finding to simply works better - subjective 
comment, of course.  Right clicking its menu allows editing.

-- 

Keith Bainbridge

keithrbau@gmail.com

0447 667468

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