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  Default vim colorscheme? Lucio <lucio@sulweb.org> - 2020-06-22 09:50 +0200
    Re: Default vim colorscheme? elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-06-22 10:10 +0200
      Re: Default vim colorscheme? Lucio <lucio@sulweb.org> - 2020-06-22 11:00 +0200
        Re: Default vim colorscheme? Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-06-22 13:30 +0200
          Re: Default vim colorscheme? Lucio <lucio@sulweb.org> - 2020-06-22 14:00 +0200
          Re: Default vim colorscheme? Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2020-06-22 15:40 +0200
            Re: Default vim colorscheme? Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-06-22 16:30 +0200
            Re: Default vim colorscheme? Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-06-22 17:20 +0200
              Re: Default vim colorscheme? Lucio <lucio@sulweb.org> - 2020-06-22 23:00 +0200
        Re: Default vim colorscheme? elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-06-22 13:40 +0200
        Re: Default vim colorscheme? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-22 16:00 +0200
    Re: Default vim colorscheme? mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-06-22 10:40 +0200
    Re: Default vim colorscheme? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-06-22 10:50 +0200

#223862 — Default vim colorscheme?

I posted this question @superuser [1] two days ago, but it seems few 
know Debian enough there, so here it is for you.

In every Linux system I install or I happen to log into I want to use 
the same vim colorscheme, e.g. the default one Debian uses, because I 
usually use Debian and I like the default colorscheme. What's its name? 
I need the name to specify it in the `$HOME/.vimrc` file of other systems:

     colorscheme whatever

The problem is that even `default` is not the correct name in Debian, in 
fact if I open a file in one of my Debian systems without a 
`$HOME/.vimrc` file (so no `colorscheme` command at all), I get this:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/5hrCd.png

then, while I'm inside `vim`, I type the `:colorscheme` command, and it 
replies `default`. However if I create a `$HOME/.vimrc` file with 
`colorscheme default` in it, in the same Debian system, and then I open 
the same file, I get this instead:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/W2rFU.png

I want the first colorscheme in every other `vim` I use, but I have no 
clue about how to specify it.


   [1]: https://superuser.com/questions/1562159/

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#223863

On 22/6/20 5:36 pm, Lucio wrote:
> I posted this question @superuser [1] two days ago, but it seems few 
> know Debian enough there, so here it is for you.
>
> In every Linux system I install or I happen to log into I want to use 
> the same vim colorscheme, e.g. the default one Debian uses, because I 
> usually use Debian and I like the default colorscheme. What's its 
> name? I need the name to specify it in the `$HOME/.vimrc` file of 
> other systems:
>
>     colorscheme whatever
>
> The problem is that even `default` is not the correct name in Debian, 
> in fact if I open a file in one of my Debian systems without a 
> `$HOME/.vimrc` file (so no `colorscheme` command at all), I get this:
>
> https://i.stack.imgur.com/5hrCd.png
>
> then, while I'm inside `vim`, I type the `:colorscheme` command, and 
> it replies `default`. However if I create a `$HOME/.vimrc` file with 
> `colorscheme default` in it, in the same Debian system, and then I 
> open the same file, I get this instead:
>
> https://i.stack.imgur.com/W2rFU.png
>
> I want the first colorscheme in every other `vim` I use, but I have no 
> clue about how to specify it.
>
>
>   [1]: https://superuser.com/questions/1562159/
>

Somewhere on your system maybe /usr/share/vim  or in /etc that default 
colour scheme is defined or linked to a real colour scheme. Find it. 
Name it something meaningful to you. And then use it on all your 
systems. Or copy the parts out of it into a .vimrc








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#223867

Il 22/06/20 10:05, elvis ha scritto:
> Somewhere on your system maybe /usr/share/vim  or in /etc that default 
> colour scheme is defined or linked to a real colour scheme. Find it. 

I couldn't find the link, but I found /usr/share/vim/vim81/colors 
directory, that contains only 19 colorschemes: not that hard to 
bruteforce after all. I've tried all of them one after the other and I 
finally found "ron" to be the real default one, despite "colorscheme 
default" not loading "ron"...

Why "colorscheme default" doesn't load the real default, or why the real 
default goes by the name of "ron" and "default" is a non-default choice, 
is beyond me: maybe Debian exhausted the symlinks pool, so renaming the 
"default" file as "classic" or something and symlinking "default" to 
"ron" would have broken the whole system, but it doesn't really matter 
anymore... problem solved, thanks for your help.

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#223871

On Mon, 22 Jun, 2020 at 10:53:46 +0200, Lucio wrote:
> Il 22/06/20 10:05, elvis ha scritto:
> > Somewhere on your system maybe /usr/share/vim  or in /etc that default
> > colour scheme is defined or linked to a real colour scheme. Find it.
> 
> I couldn't find the link, but I found /usr/share/vim/vim81/colors directory,
> that contains only 19 colorschemes: not that hard to bruteforce after all.
> I've tried all of them one after the other and I finally found "ron" to be
> the real default one, despite "colorscheme default" not loading "ron"...
> 
> Why "colorscheme default" doesn't load the real default, or why the real
> default goes by the name of "ron" and "default" is a non-default choice, is
> beyond me: maybe Debian exhausted the symlinks pool, so renaming the
> "default" file as "classic" or something and symlinking "default" to "ron"
> would have broken the whole system, but it doesn't really matter anymore...
> problem solved, thanks for your help.
> 

I think what happened is that when you set the default colour scheme
interactively a light background was assumed. That's why you get less
contrast in your second screenshot. If you subsequently do ':set
bg=dark' it should look like the first screenshot.

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#223874

Il 22/06/20 13:22, Liam O'Toole ha scritto:

> I think what happened is that when you set the default colour scheme
> interactively a light background was assumed. That's why you get less
> contrast in your second screenshot. If you subsequently do ':set
> bg=dark' it should look like the first screenshot.

I'm not sure that's what actually happens: I thought the same on a first 
glance, but then I noticed one color was completely different, e.g. look 
at $DESTDIR and similar items.

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#223880

On Mon, 2020-06-22 at 12:22 +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun, 2020 at 10:53:46 +0200, Lucio wrote:
> > Il 22/06/20 10:05, elvis ha scritto:
> > > Somewhere on your system maybe /usr/share/vim  or in /etc that default
> > > colour scheme is defined or linked to a real colour scheme. Find it.
> > 
> > I couldn't find the link, but I found /usr/share/vim/vim81/colors directory,
> > that contains only 19 colorschemes: not that hard to bruteforce after all.
> > I've tried all of them one after the other and I finally found "ron" to be
> > the real default one, despite "colorscheme default" not loading "ron"...
> > 
> > Why "colorscheme default" doesn't load the real default, or why the real
> > default goes by the name of "ron" and "default" is a non-default choice, is
> > beyond me: maybe Debian exhausted the symlinks pool, so renaming the
> > "default" file as "classic" or something and symlinking "default" to "ron"
> > would have broken the whole system, but it doesn't really matter anymore...
> > problem solved, thanks for your help.
> > 
> 
> I think what happened is that when you set the default colour scheme
> interactively a light background was assumed. That's why you get less
> contrast in your second screenshot. If you subsequently do ':set
> bg=dark' it should look like the first screenshot.

Hmmmm, I (Debian Buster) ran bg=dark, and then 'colorscheme ron' and now
I have no colors.  er, Thanks!

-Jim P. 

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#223883

On Mon, 22 Jun, 2020 at 09:35:45 -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Mon, 2020-06-22 at 12:22 +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Jun, 2020 at 10:53:46 +0200, Lucio wrote:
> > > Il 22/06/20 10:05, elvis ha scritto:
> > > > Somewhere on your system maybe /usr/share/vim  or in /etc that default
> > > > colour scheme is defined or linked to a real colour scheme. Find it.
> > > 
> > > I couldn't find the link, but I found /usr/share/vim/vim81/colors directory,
> > > that contains only 19 colorschemes: not that hard to bruteforce after all.
> > > I've tried all of them one after the other and I finally found "ron" to be
> > > the real default one, despite "colorscheme default" not loading "ron"...
> > > 
> > > Why "colorscheme default" doesn't load the real default, or why the real
> > > default goes by the name of "ron" and "default" is a non-default choice, is
> > > beyond me: maybe Debian exhausted the symlinks pool, so renaming the
> > > "default" file as "classic" or something and symlinking "default" to "ron"
> > > would have broken the whole system, but it doesn't really matter anymore...
> > > problem solved, thanks for your help.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think what happened is that when you set the default colour scheme
> > interactively a light background was assumed. That's why you get less
> > contrast in your second screenshot. If you subsequently do ':set
> > bg=dark' it should look like the first screenshot.
> 
> Hmmmm, I (Debian Buster) ran bg=dark, and then 'colorscheme ron' and now
> I have no colors.  er, Thanks!
> 

Also on buster. I don't see the behaviour you describe. Very odd.

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#223885

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 09:35:45AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
>> I think what happened is that when you set the default colour scheme
>> interactively a light background was assumed. That's why you get less
>> contrast in your second screenshot. If you subsequently do ':set
>> bg=dark' it should look like the first screenshot.

That was my take, too. The difference to me looks due to bg=light and
bg=dark discrepancy. OP, you doubt this, but have you tried to confirm
it?

>Hmmmm, I (Debian Buster) ran bg=dark, and then 'colorscheme ron' and now
>I have no colors.  er, Thanks!

I think the ron/peachpuff suggestion is wrong, they are not the default
colorschemes on Debian under any circumstances I am aware of.

I'm using neovim and the file /usr/share/nvim/runtime/colors/default.vim
defines the default colorschemes but this is not very useful to you
because it just clears any specific colors, so that the built-in
defaults are used instead.



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#223894

Il 22/06/20 17:09, Jonathan Dowland ha scritto:
> That was my take, too. The difference to me looks due to bg=light and
> bg=dark discrepancy. OP, you doubt this, but have you tried to confirm
> it?
> 

I hadn't tried, because I misunderstood Liam's suggestion. I've tried 
now and you're right, issuing

:set bg=dark

turns the "default" colorscheme into the same colors as "ron", at least 
as long as my bash scripts are concerned.

However, if I delete $HOME/.vimrc (so no :colorscheme command) and then 
switch to VT2 (no Xorg running there) I have a dark background just like 
my xfce4-terminal, but ":colorscheme default" does not assume a light 
background there and it does not use dark colors: it keeps the light 
colors (same colors of "ron", just to be clear). That leads me to think 
there's something in my xfce4-terminal that confuses the default 
colorscheme and that makes it assume a light background even if it's black.

What makes vim or the default colorscheme detect the dark/light background?

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#223872

On 22/6/20 6:53 pm, Lucio wrote:
> Il 22/06/20 10:05, elvis ha scritto:
>> Somewhere on your system maybe /usr/share/vim  or in /etc that 
>> default colour scheme is defined or linked to a real colour scheme. 
>> Find it. 
>
> I couldn't find the link, but I found /usr/share/vim/vim81/colors 
> directory, that contains only 19 colorschemes: not that hard to 
> bruteforce after all. I've tried all of them one after the other and I 
> finally found "ron" to be the real default one, despite "colorscheme 
> default" not loading "ron"...
>
> Why "colorscheme default" doesn't load the real default, or why the 
> real default goes by the name of "ron" and "default" is a non-default 
> choice, is beyond me: maybe Debian exhausted the symlinks pool, so 
> renaming the "default" file as "classic" or something and symlinking 
> "default" to "ron" would have broken the whole system, but it doesn't 
> really matter anymore... problem solved, thanks for your help.
>
Maybe they were saving it for later-ron ? :-)


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#223882

On Mon 22 Jun 2020 at 10:53:46 (+0200), Lucio wrote:

> I couldn't find the link, but I found /usr/share/vim/vim81/colors
> directory, that contains only 19 colorschemes: not that hard to
> bruteforce after all. I've tried all of them one after the other and I
> finally found "ron" to be the real default one, despite "colorscheme
> default" not loading "ron"...
> 
> Why "colorscheme default" doesn't load the real default, or why the
> real default goes by the name of "ron" and "default" is a non-default
> choice, is beyond me: maybe Debian exhausted the symlinks pool, so
> renaming the "default" file as "classic" or something and symlinking
> "default" to "ron" would have broken the whole system, but it doesn't
> really matter anymore... problem solved, thanks for your help.

Perhaps you should try emailing the file's maintainer. :)

Cheers,
David.

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#223865

On 2020-06-22 08:36, Lucio wrote:
> I posted this question @superuser [1] two days ago, but it seems few
> know Debian enough there, so here it is for you.
> 
> In every Linux system I install or I happen to log into I want to use
> the same vim colorscheme, e.g. the default one Debian uses, because I
> usually use Debian and I like the default colorscheme. What's its
> name? I need the name to specify it in the `$HOME/.vimrc` file of
> other systems:
> 
>     colorscheme whatever
> 
> The problem is that even `default` is not the correct name in Debian,
> in fact if I open a file in one of my Debian systems without a
> `$HOME/.vimrc` file (so no `colorscheme` command at all), I get this:
> 
> https://i.stack.imgur.com/5hrCd.png
> 
> then, while I'm inside `vim`, I type the `:colorscheme` command, and
> it replies `default`. However if I create a `$HOME/.vimrc` file with
> `colorscheme default` in it, in the same Debian system, and then I
> open the same file, I get this instead:
> 
> https://i.stack.imgur.com/W2rFU.png
> 
> I want the first colorscheme in every other `vim` I use, but I have no
> clue about how to specify it.
> 
> 
>   [1]: https://superuser.com/questions/1562159/

I didn't look far enough to find the answer but will probably be in 
these files
/etc/vim/vimrc
/usr/share/vim/vim81/colors/README.txt
/usr/share/vim/vim81/defaults.vim

mick
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#223866

Hi,

22 juin 2020 à 09:36 de lucio@sulweb.org:

> I want the first colorscheme in every other `vim` I use, but I have no clue about how to specify it.
>
If I were you, I would:
* look into /usr/share/vim/vimXX/colors/ (replace XX with the correct version)
* inside vim type ":colorscheme" with no ~/.vimrc to get the colorscheme name that pleases you
* inside vim type ":colorscheme [TAB]" with no ~/.vimrc to guess which one it could  be

+ it seems the default colorscheme is not "default" and is depending on the terminal:
* "peachpuff" in a light terminal
* "ron" in a dark one
Try those.

Best regards,
l0f4r0

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