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| Started by | Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> |
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| First post | 2020-06-19 21:20 +0200 |
| Last post | 2020-06-21 23:10 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 108 — 42 participants |
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technical terms overhaul Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-06-19 21:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-06-19 21:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-06-19 21:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-06-19 22:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-06-19 22:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-20 02:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-20 05:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2020-06-20 05:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-06-20 06:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-20 09:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-20 16:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 16:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-20 21:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-20 18:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-22 15:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-22 19:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org> - 2020-06-22 19:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-06-19 23:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 18:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-06-19 23:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-19 22:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-19 23:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2020-06-20 03:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 00:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-06-20 12:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 14:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-06-20 15:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-06-20 00:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-20 00:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 05:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-21 07:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 07:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@rootsland.net> - 2020-06-21 12:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul fmneto@gmail.com - 2020-06-19 21:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2020-06-19 22:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2020-06-19 23:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-06-20 16:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-20 18:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org> - 2020-06-19 22:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 01:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 01:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 01:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 01:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2020-06-20 03:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 13:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-20 14:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 17:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2020-06-19 23:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Andrea Borgia <andrea@borgia.bo.it> - 2020-06-20 11:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-19 23:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-06-20 01:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 01:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-20 03:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul davidson@freevolt.org - 2020-06-20 04:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-20 03:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2020-06-20 03:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-06-20 16:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 19:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-20 20:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 22:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 20:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 22:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 23:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 23:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 05:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-21 08:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Leslie Rhorer <lesrhorer@att.net> - 2020-06-21 09:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-21 11:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 11:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-06-20 21:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Francisco Mariano Neto <fmneto@usp.br> - 2020-06-20 21:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 22:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-06-20 21:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 23:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-06-21 08:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 08:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-06-21 19:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 22:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-20 22:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 23:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 07:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-06-21 17:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2020-06-21 12:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-06-21 13:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 14:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-06-21 14:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-21 16:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2020-06-21 17:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-21 16:20 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 19:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-06-21 19:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-06-21 20:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2020-06-21 21:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-06-21 22:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-21 23:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-21 23:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul davidson@freevolt.org - 2020-06-21 23:40 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-06-21 19:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul nemo <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2020-06-23 22:50 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-21 15:10 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-21 18:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 21:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-21 22:30 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-21 23:00 +0200
Re: technical terms overhaul mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 23:10 +0200
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| From | Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2020-06-19 21:20 +0200 |
| Subject | technical terms overhaul |
| Message-ID | <AjuIp-6Dq-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
On the danger of starting a flame war ... thinking about the article by Gunnar Wolf on Planet Debian instead of "whitelist" and "blacklist" I would like to propose the terms: "allowlist" and "rejectlist" instead of (for example on disk drives) "master" and "slave" I like to propose the terms: "lead" and "lag" which are e.g. used when electrically managing two pumps working on the same hydraulic circuit. What do you think? All the best Eike -- Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE Paradox: Getting live-updates about fatalities
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-06-19 21:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ajv1L-6JY-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223656 |
On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 15:14:26 -0400, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > What do you think? If we knew what you were talking about it would help. Link? -- Brian.
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2020-06-19 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ajvbr-6Pb-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223658 |
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 08:37:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 15:14:26 -0400, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > > > What do you think? > > If we knew what you were talking about it would help. Link? If Eike is trying to start a social movement, this is... well, it's something. But you'll need much broader exposure and more voices to join yours, if you hope to prevail. Think Twitter, Youtube, Facebook. Not (just) debian-user@lists.debian.org.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-06-19 22:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ajvl8-6Sx-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223660 |
On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 15:42:11 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 08:37:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 15:14:26 -0400, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > > > > > What do you think? > > > > If we knew what you were talking about it would help. Link? > > If Eike is trying to start a social movement, this is... well, it's > something. But you'll need much broader exposure and more voices to > join yours, if you hope to prevail. Perhaps my question was too simple. I do not hope to prevail, just obtain clarification. But maybe "you" does not mean "me". -- Brian.
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2020-06-19 22:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjvuN-7b5-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223662 |
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 08:56:06PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 15:42:11 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 08:37:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 15:14:26 -0400, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > If we knew what you were talking about it would help. Link? > > > > If Eike is trying to start a social movement, this is... well, it's > > something. But you'll need much broader exposure and more voices to > > join yours, if you hope to prevail. > > Perhaps my question was too simple. I do not hope to prevail, just > obtain clarification. But maybe "you" does not mean "me". True. I got lazy, and mixed together sentences that are addressing both people in the cited material. Also, I didn't want to get into the whole gendered pronoun issue. Not in such a short email. P.S. I'd consider "goodlist" and "badlist" as replacement terms. They're short, both in terms of syllables and characters. Even shorter than the originals! That's a good thing. "Allowlist" and "rejectlist" both add a syllable, and the latter also adds characters.
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| From | ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjvEt-7eq-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223663 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Alist and Flist? -- Glenn English -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wsBcBAEBCAAGBQJe7Rt5AAoJEJ/XhjGCrIwyqZ8IAKkZjpfw1m4Gu1ssBp3Q SeL1uf3eaclgrqPYWPG/Nr5jcvDhcMrbFLnBC8mDHs9t0hiykju6QTUfdLuI cLL4uVaiC/Ef+ESQdn3gEPdQd/EFlrb1xOFyUeYkaLJM5jI5hwAcANZhswaB timoYcjADF21B1ThyRfdeL3IorBuWpqsb0LmAi/mmR0BgmOnfouGLOht5XIv 66IxKXNCbjXv6gkkfpbyNSSJU7SK79rWa5F1MSFy5/364q9JmXdeq6D0+JwV XYlYzVPnK6dP2RVvnb0X3Pt423Z4C0tkSeIvD5SEYmJc+N6yackYADnUB2vF CO++gO7m0PM0fB5m24pAa90= =+kg6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjvEt-7eq-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223665 |
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 08:09:36PM +0000, ghe2001 wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Alist and Flist? "A-list" already has a different meaning. (I've also heard "B-list" in that same context.) "A" and "F" as antonyms is too US-centric as well. Other school systems do not use that particular grading scheme, so it won't work world-wide.
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjvEt-7eq-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223663 |
On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 16:03:24 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 08:56:06PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 15:42:11 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 08:37:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 15:14:26 -0400, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > If we knew what you were talking about it would help. Link? > > > > > > If Eike is trying to start a social movement, this is... well, it's > > > something. But you'll need much broader exposure and more voices to > > > join yours, if you hope to prevail. > > > > Perhaps my question was too simple. I do not hope to prevail, just > > obtain clarification. But maybe "you" does not mean "me". > > True. I got lazy, and mixed together sentences that are addressing > both people in the cited material. Also, I didn't want to get into > the whole gendered pronoun issue. Not in such a short email. > > P.S. I'd consider "goodlist" and "badlist" as replacement terms. They're > short, both in terms of syllables and characters. Even shorter than the > originals! That's a good thing. "Allowlist" and "rejectlist" both add > a syllable, and the latter also adds characters. Passlist and faillist, perhaps? Pass list already exists as a two word phrase, so people are used to saying it. Cheers, David.
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| From | Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2020-06-20 02:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjzI5-15C-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223667 |
On 20-06-2020 06:14, David Wright wrote: > Passlist and faillist, perhaps? Pass list already exists as a two word > phrase, so people are used to saying it. Oh, I don't know. This introduces judgement and the concept of failure. This could negatively impact on any number of personalities. (tongue in cheek) I think it's possible to get too politically correct. Why are we attaching a concept like skin colour to list names as a serious proposition? White and black are fine unless you see something wrong in them. In which case a session of introspection may be in order. -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2020-06-20 05:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjBTz-2pS-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223693 |
Weaver wrote: > > I think it's possible to get too politically correct. Try this phrase: "I think it's possible to get too polite." I suppose that's true -- if your object is to insult someone. > Why are we attaching a concept like skin colour to list names as a > serious proposition? Exactly. Since it doesn't matter to you, why not be polite? -dsr-
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| From | ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-20 05:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjCmB-2Oh-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223704 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 How about yesList, noList? Or for fans off Cisco IOS ACLs, permitList, denyList? With short aliases ylist, nlist or plist, dlist -- all blessed in an RFC so everybody but Microsoft will include them in their configuration language? -- Glenn English -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wsBcBAEBCAAGBQJe7YFcAAoJEJ/XhjGCrIwy5PQIAKdR/NPKwn4J1vMc1TkY PUO8j+oPRAfQnh5eED1f0XRwQHI3ECAQDFPIjT9HC0tAwiy/smT0A/5ViVRK ctkdmdCpg7oT2M78HEMiXe0eke0yeGjQU8Dej02ZsptEskj40ut6zdAPcPna 0jQtRQzQRcCveSZTOda6LcpoqDd5eXsCluUXcPO/Glryd3SYItxgDGA9u9Vz dRTe9uYN0Br4EzNSVU3HsqsxyvuEK3RmsLc9v9NoIujFW1BQdqXDQDZw5L/x WHm/fHVL0gsYxupsHSYlTvJnj+5EckL+sOW7En0dTvKUxvSI0vJudjqnXa6C wEl3Q/wWX46QZRRbz3Jrn/o= =/b1y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2020-06-20 06:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjD8Z-3j0-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223704 |
On Friday 19 June 2020 22:57:44 Dan Ritter wrote: > Weaver wrote: > > I think it's possible to get too politically correct. > > Try this phrase: > > "I think it's possible to get too polite." > > I suppose that's true -- if your object is to insult someone. > > > Why are we attaching a concept like skin colour to list names as a > > serious proposition? > > Exactly. Since it doesn't matter to you, why not be polite? > > -dsr- Chuckle, plays on words. We had for decades, a senator who was so good at telling folks to go to hell in flowery well decorated language, that they looked forward to the trip. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2020-06-20 09:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjG6S-53a-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223704 |
On 20-06-2020 12:57, Dan Ritter wrote: > Weaver wrote: >> >> I think it's possible to get too politically correct. > > Try this phrase: > > "I think it's possible to get too polite." No, there's no value in twisting words. The wrong connotation gets promoted. > I suppose that's true -- if your object is to insult someone. No insult was intended or implied. You prefer to see it way. >> Why are we attaching a concept like skin colour to list names as a >> serious proposition? > > Exactly. Since it doesn't matter to you, why not be polite? See how you've created a straw man to tear down by adjusting the terminology? Obviously it does or I wouldn't have posted. I always ask questions and never impose my standards on others. See the difference? -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2020-06-20 16:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjMch-8m-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223708 |
Weaver wrote: > On 20-06-2020 12:57, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Weaver wrote: > >> > >> I think it's possible to get too politically correct. > > > > Try this phrase: > > > > "I think it's possible to get too polite." > > No, there's no value in twisting words. > The wrong connotation gets promoted. I have yet to see a use of the term "political correctness" in modern speech -- say, since 1990 -- that did not mean "people are being polite and I don't want them to be polite". I'm open to correction if you have real-world examples. > No insult was intended or implied. > You prefer to see it way. My ancestors were enslaved. If you didn't intend an insult, you were not communicating clearly. > >> Why are we attaching a concept like skin colour to list names as a > >> serious proposition? > > > > Exactly. Since it doesn't matter to you, why not be polite? > > > See how you've created a straw man to tear down by adjusting the > terminology? > Obviously it does or I wouldn't have posted. > I always ask questions and never impose my standards on others. > See the difference? I know what sea-lioning is. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning -dsr-
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-20 16:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjMOZ-AC-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223724 |
Dan Ritter wrote: > I have yet to see a use of the term "political correctness" in > modern speech -- say, since 1990 -- that did not mean "people > are being polite and I don't want them to be polite". > > I'm open to correction if you have real-world examples. It is all about dictatorship - when there are no logical arguments - this is the way to impose their censorship upon you.
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| From | Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2020-06-20 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjR2h-3ed-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223724 |
On 20-06-2020 23:57, Dan Ritter wrote: > Weaver wrote: >> On 20-06-2020 12:57, Dan Ritter wrote: >> > Weaver wrote: >> >> >> >> I think it's possible to get too politically correct. >> > >> > Try this phrase: >> > >> > "I think it's possible to get too polite." >> >> No, there's no value in twisting words. >> The wrong connotation gets promoted. > > I have yet to see a use of the term "political correctness" in > modern speech -- say, since 1990 -- that did not mean "people > are being polite and I don't want them to be polite". > > I'm open to correction if you have real-world examples. Perhaps it's just your perception that needs adjusting? >> No insult was intended or implied. >> You prefer to see it way. > > My ancestors were enslaved. If you didn't intend an insult, > you were not communicating clearly. Yes, it's your perception, alright! I've been exposed to what is referred `politely' as `reverse-rascism' It's not a one way street. >> >> Why are we attaching a concept like skin colour to list names as a >> >> serious proposition? >> > >> > Exactly. Since it doesn't matter to you, why not be polite? >> >> >> See how you've created a straw man to tear down by adjusting the >> terminology? >> Obviously it does or I wouldn't have posted. >> I always ask questions and never impose my standards on others. >> See the difference? > > I know what sea-lioning is. > > https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning No, you didn't see the difference. Stop imposing your standards on others. There it is, stated directly. Now try to deal with it. Your whole twisting of technical terminologies to assume personal offence is adequate statement of your own problem. When pointed out, a mature human being does something about it, not simply transfer the load onto others. -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
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| From | Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> |
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| Date | 2020-06-20 18:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AjO4p-1fQ-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223708 |
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Edwin Land once said: "/Politeness is the slow poison of collaboration." /I've generally found that to be quite true. (Then again, I'm a New York Jew - brusqueness and argumentativeness are my bywords.) Re. whitelist/blacklist: IMO, on the one hand the really direct tie between good/bad and white/black is kind of stark. On the other hand, where does this end? Stop using "whiteout" to describe blizzard conditions (and perhaps only use it to refer to correcting fluid)? Stop using "blackout" power outages? Stop using "white" to denote the sum of all colors, and "black" to denote the absence (or vice versa, if we're talking paint)? Seems like just another case where we can let arguments over politically correct word usage, get in the way of actual communication & getting work done. Solve the problem of establishing a good set of gender-neutral pronouns, for English, (and maybe declarations in other languages) - then let's come back and debate colors. Meanwhile, life's too short for this. Miles Fidelman On 6/20/20 3:25 AM, Weaver wrote: > On 20-06-2020 12:57, Dan Ritter wrote: >> Weaver wrote: >>> I think it's possible to get too politically correct. >> Try this phrase: >> >> "I think it's possible to get too polite." > No, there's no value in twisting words. > The wrong connotation gets promoted. > > >> I suppose that's true -- if your object is to insult someone. > No insult was intended or implied. > You prefer to see it way. > > >>> Why are we attaching a concept like skin colour to list names as a >>> serious proposition? >> Exactly. Since it doesn't matter to you, why not be polite? > > See how you've created a straw man to tear down by adjusting the > terminology? > Obviously it does or I wouldn't have posted. > I always ask questions and never impose my standards on others. > See the difference? > -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown
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| From | Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> |
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| Date | 2020-06-22 15:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AkuZI-21F-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223740 |
On 6/22/20 5:59 AM, Will Mengarini wrote: > * Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> [20-06/20=Sa 11:58 -0400]: >> Solve the problem of establishing a good set of gender-neutral >> pronouns, for English, (and maybe declarations in other >> languages) - then let's come back and debate colors. > Here you go: > co cos cos coself co's > she her hers herself she's > he his his himself he's > it its its itself it's > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/co#English>. > > The "co/cos/coself/co's" pronouns were first introduced in 1970 in > the U.S commune named "Twin Oaks", which was founded in 1967. It was > modeled on the community described in B.F Skinner's /Walden Two/; > see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_Community,_Virginia>. > > They're in both Wiktionary and Wikipedia: > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_third-person_singular_pronouns > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-specific_and_gender-neutral_pronouns It's only a good solution if people actually adopt and use them. They/them/their has caught on, but it's kind of hard to differentiate singular/plural when you use them to be gender neutral. Miles -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-22 19:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AkygW-48B-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223881 |
Miles Fidelman wrote: > It's only a good solution if people actually adopt and use them. > They/them/their has caught on, but it's kind of hard to differentiate > singular/plural when you use them to be gender neutral. No people will not adopt them because it is against the law of economy in speech. I'll bet my head on it, but in 100y it will be all forgotten. In fact it is already dead, only many people has still to realize it (especially in the west). Stop wasting your and others time. There are more important problem on this earth. regards
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| From | Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org> |
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| Date | 2020-06-22 19:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <AkyqC-4bO-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #223889 |
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:14 PM deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > It's only a good solution if people actually adopt and use them. > > They/them/their has caught on, but it's kind of hard to differentiate > > singular/plural when you use them to be gender neutral. > > No people will not adopt them because it is against the law of economy in > speech. I'll bet my head on it, but in 100y it will be all forgotten. In > fact it is already dead, only many people has still to realize it > (especially in the west). Stop wasting your and others time. There are more > important problem on this earth. > Not sure someone who is clearly bigoted against the LGBT community gets to have a say on this issue. Go back to the past where you belong.
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