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  have you seen this inside.... Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-20 01:00 +0200
    Re: have you seen this inside.... Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 02:30 +0200
      Re: have you seen this inside.... Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-20 02:50 +0200
        Re: have you seen this inside.... David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 08:00 +0200
          How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you seen  this inside....] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-20 11:10 +0200
            Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you  seen this inside....] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 18:30 +0200
              Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you  seen this inside....] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-06-20 18:40 +0200
            Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you seen  this inside....] Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-21 20:30 +0200
              Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you  seen this inside....] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-21 20:40 +0200
                Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you seen  this inside....] Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-21 22:00 +0200

#223684 — have you seen this inside....

a debian buster machine?

ATI Radeon HD5450 PCI-e

https://www.amazon.de/Sapphire-Radeon-HD5450-Grafikkarte-Speicher/dp/B0036DD4CO

If so, how did you get it working, please?

Best wishes

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#223692

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 12:51 AM Seeds Notoneofmy
<notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> a debian buster machine?
>
> ATI Radeon HD5450 PCI-e
>
> https://www.amazon.de/Sapphire-Radeon-HD5450-Grafikkarte-Speicher/dp/B0036DD4CO
>
> If so, how did you get it working, please?

1. Insert into computer.
2. Boot.

If this doesn't work for you, you need to post a description of the
error because it should just work out of the box.

Also, next time please respect the time of the thousands of people who
are going to read this message live or search for it during the next
years by selecting a more descriptive title...

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#223694

On 6/20/20 2:26 AM, Anders Andersson wrote:
> Also, next time please respect the time of the thousands of people who
> are going to read this message live or search for it during the next
> years by selecting a more descriptive title...

Thank you. I will do that next time. Sorry to everyone.

Best wishes.

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#223707

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 10:43, Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> wrote:
> On 6/20/20 2:26 AM, Anders Andersson wrote:

> > Also, next time please respect the time of the thousands of people who
> > are going to read this message live or search for it during the next
> > years by selecting a more descriptive title...

> Thank you. I will do that next time. Sorry to everyone.

Here is a well-known guide how to ask good questions in
a mailing list like this one:
  http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

It contains a lot of good advice.

I agree with Anders Andersson, please read this section
in particular, heading "Use meaningful, specific subject headers":
  http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#bespecific

Because your chosen Subject Header just looks like
annoying click-bait, and we don't want that here.

If you want smart people to help you for free, it's wise to
communicate respectfully. They have better things
to do than click on some meaningless link to find out what
some careless person wrote in there.

No offence intended, I am just trying to help you fit in here
and thus get the kind of replies that you hope for.

Thanks!

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#223712 — How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you seen this inside....]

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On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 03:53:08PM +1000, David wrote:

[...]

> Because your chosen Subject Header just looks like
> annoying click-bait, and we don't want that here.

This is actually an important point, so let me offer
another perspective, to complement yours.

Here's the original subject again:

    have you seen this inside....

And now, dear OP (Seeds Notoneofmy), try to walk a couple of
meters/yards in some random list reader's shoes: this list has
(very roughly) 1000 mails/month [1]. That means about 30 mails/day.

Someone picking mails will see one mail/line, with some hints from
its metadata: sender, subject, etc. and will decide, based on
them "oh, I do know something about this topic, I'll see whether
I can help" or, for example: "oh, this gal/guy has always interesting
posts, gotta read that"... or whatever.

What do you think will happen by reading that subject above?
Possibly the same as if you read

  THIS 10 WEIRD TRICKS WILL MAKE YOU RICH

or something ;-)

> If you want smart people to help you for free, it's wise to
> communicate respectfully. They have better things
> to do than click on some meaningless link to find out what
> some careless person wrote in there.

Exactly. So

  (a) help us help you
  (b) help us make this place a nice place, with its roughly
     3200 inhabitants :-)

> No offence intended, I am just trying to help you fit in here
> and thus get the kind of replies that you hope for.

Thanks for bringing that up, cheers
-- t

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#223744 — Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you seen this inside....]

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On Sb, 20 iun 20, 11:07:34, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> And now, dear OP (Seeds Notoneofmy), try to walk a couple of
> meters/yards in some random list reader's shoes: this list has
> (very roughly) 1000 mails/month [1]. That means about 30 mails/day.
> 
> Someone picking mails will see one mail/line, with some hints from
> its metadata: sender, subject, etc. and will decide, based on
> them "oh, I do know something about this topic, I'll see whether
> I can help" or, for example: "oh, this gal/guy has always interesting
> posts, gotta read that"... or whatever.
> 
> What do you think will happen by reading that subject above?
> Possibly the same as if you read
> 
>   THIS 10 WEIRD TRICKS WILL MAKE YOU RICH
> 
> or something ;-)

Using something that looks like an invented name is also quite often a 
sign of a spammer.

(though I do admit spammers and scammers also use real looking names, 
and do understand the wish to keep ones real name private)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#223745 — Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you seen this inside....]

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On 2020-06-20 at 12:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> Using something that looks like an invented name is also quite often
> a sign of a spammer.
> 
> (though I do admit spammers and scammers also use real looking names,
>  and do understand the wish to keep ones real name private)

Years ago, I ran across the observation that spam From: lines are a good
source of names for stories one may happen to be writing.

I've been keeping an eye on mine (as they accumulate in my Junk folder
and feed my spam filter) ever since, and it's held relatively true.

Some of them are entertainingly odd, too. One of the top examples of
such that I've received is "Sofia Warlord Ibrahim Coulibaly".

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#223841 — Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you seen this inside....]

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On 6/20/20 11:07 AM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 03:53:08PM +1000, David wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Because your chosen Subject Header just looks like
>> annoying click-bait, and we don't want that here.
> This is actually an important point, so let me offer
> another perspective, to complement yours.
>
> Here's the original subject again:
>
>      have you seen this inside....
>
> And now, dear OP (Seeds Notoneofmy), try to walk a couple of
> meters/yards in some random list reader's shoes: this list has
> (very roughly) 1000 mails/month [1]. That means about 30 mails/day.
>
> Someone picking mails will see one mail/line, with some hints from
> its metadata: sender, subject, etc. and will decide, based on
> them "oh, I do know something about this topic, I'll see whether
> I can help" or, for example: "oh, this gal/guy has always interesting
> posts, gotta read that"... or whatever.
>
> What do you think will happen by reading that subject above?
> Possibly the same as if you read
>
>    THIS 10 WEIRD TRICKS WILL MAKE YOU RICH
>
> or something;-)
>
>> If you want smart people to help you for free, it's wise to
>> communicate respectfully. They have better things
>> to do than click on some meaningless link to find out what
>> some careless person wrote in there.
> Exactly. So
>
>    (a) help us help you
>    (b) help us make this place a nice place, with its roughly
>       3200 inhabitants:-)
>
>> No offence intended, I am just trying to help you fit in here
>> and thus get the kind of replies that you hope for.
> Thanks for bringing that up, cheers

Nothing like beating a dead horse for some, it seems.

I already, very clearly, noted in response to Anders: "sorry to all."

In any society, virtual or otherwise, that will do it, assuming of
course, you bothered to read:

*"**Thank you. I will do that next time. Sorry to everyone."*

Besides a very clear apology, I do not know what else was expected. Nor,
can I understand the 'rants,' given the apology.

However, some resources from David were very helpful, particularly, " 
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html"

And thanks, David, no offense taken.

Best wishes

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#223842 — Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you seen this inside....]

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On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 08:22:49PM +0200, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:

[...]

> Nothing like beating a dead horse for some, it seems.

Uh... I'm genuinely sorry if I came across like that.
I was mainly writing that for the benefit of others
who might fall into the same trap. I tried to wrap
the message with some humor -- not to poke fun at
you or at anyone, but rather to make things more
digestible.

It seems I failed miserably at it. What can I say?

> I already, very clearly, noted in response to Anders: "sorry to all."
> 
> In any society, virtual or otherwise, that will do it, assuming of
> course, you bothered to read:
> 
> *"**Thank you. I will do that next time. Sorry to everyone."*
> 
> Besides a very clear apology, I do not know what else was expected. Nor,
> can I understand the 'rants,' given the apology.
> 
> However, some resources from David were very helpful, particularly, " 
> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html"
> 
> And thanks, David, no offense taken.

You are right. No, I wasn't expecting any apology from you.

Please, accept my apologies.

Cheers
-- t

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#223847 — Re: How to pick a Subject line for a mailing list [was: have you seen this inside....]

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On 6/21/20 8:35 PM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 08:22:49PM +0200, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Nothing like beating a dead horse for some, it seems.
> Uh... I'm genuinely sorry if I came across like that.
> I was mainly writing that for the benefit of others
> who might fall into the same trap. I tried to wrap
> the message with some humor -- not to poke fun at
> you or at anyone, but rather to make things more
> digestible.
>
> It seems I failed miserably at it. What can I say?
Thanks for your response, Tomas. We're good. e-mail has never been a
great tool for communicating exact meanings. And that it does not work
without the Internet, which is a great distraction to mental processes
(a much studied effect in years to come) does not make it any easy.
>
>> I already, very clearly, noted in response to Anders: "sorry to all."
>>
>> In any society, virtual or otherwise, that will do it, assuming of
>> course, you bothered to read:
>>
>> *"**Thank you. I will do that next time. Sorry to everyone."*
>>
>> Besides a very clear apology, I do not know what else was expected. Nor,
>> can I understand the 'rants,' given the apology.
>>
>> However, some resources from David were very helpful, particularly, "
>> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html"
>>
>> And thanks, David, no offense taken.
> You are right. No, I wasn't expecting any apology from you.
>
> Please, accept my apologies.
We're all good. I consider the matter peacefully resolved. And thanks
for being 'man' about it!
>
> Cheers
> -- t

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