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  "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-14 02:40 +0200
    Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2020-06-14 09:20 +0200
      Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-16 21:50 +0200
        Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-16 22:10 +0200
          Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-16 22:30 +0200
          Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-16 22:30 +0200
            Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-16 22:40 +0200
              Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-16 23:00 +0200
                Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-17 01:50 +0200
              Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-16 23:10 +0200
    Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2020-06-14 17:50 +0200
      Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-16 21:50 +0200
        Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-06-17 01:10 +0200
          Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-17 01:20 +0200
      Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-17 01:20 +0200
        Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2020-06-17 08:50 +0200
      Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-17 01:20 +0200
        Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-06-17 14:00 +0200
          Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-19 21:30 +0200
            Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200
              Re: "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT" Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 17:20 +0200

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#223463 — "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT"

Can I please get it from the gurus here, whether this card, NVIDIA 
GeForce 7600 GT, works in Debian buster.

I've used this guide,
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Identification

But do have problems:

youtube will go black before images show up

vlc will go black before playing videos

I cannot change resolution, or any settings, do see below

clicking on 'Nvidia X Server Settings' does nothing, like I did not even
click on it from the Applications>System Tools>Administration menu,
where I can find 'Nvidia X Server Settings' at the top of that menu.

lspci -nn | egrep -i "3d|display|vga"

gives

05:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G73
[GeForce 7600 GT] [10de:0391] (rev a1)

Thanks a lot for your considered response.

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Am Sonntag, 14. Juni 2020, 02:29:50 CEST schrieb Seeds Notoneofmy:
Hi,

the 7600GT was supported by debian (I am not sure, if it still is with the 
actual kernel).

At the moment it is supported by the kernel module "nouveau", but when you 
need hardware acceleration for i.e. games or other applications, you have to 
install the driver from Nvidia.

To do this, there are several ways: 

1. install the old legacy packages from debian
You will not find the debian packages in the actual repo, as this card is too 
old. Ther eis a special repo, where you can find these packages, (I am not sure 
and maybe someone will correct me), it is called "backports.debian.org". 

Please note, that the kernel module always has to be build and as far as I 
know, these old kernel modules might fail at build on newer kernels. This is a 
problem with the gcc-version, the environment and the kernel heraders itself.
Maybe you might have no other choice, but to run an older kernel, which might 
cause other issues.


2. download and install the driver directly from the Nvidia site
 You may try to install the drivers from NVidia site. However, the kernel 
module has still to be build, but that may also fail with the actual kernel.
Same problem as above.


As for VLC, the problem is known. This is a graphics driver problem. I guess, 
that you are running either the vesa driver or the nouveau driver, which both 
lack of 3d-acceleration. You can try to change to another driver in VLC 
setttings (maybe "x11" or another) but avoid opengl. With a hardware 
accelerated driver like the propietrary driver from nvidia, setting "opengl" 
is recommended, if there is none, try "x11"

Same is for resolution, it is a driver problem. The nouveau driver is running 
well with resolution, but you might need an "xorg.conf" to force the required 
resolution. Xorg.conf is no more needed and disappeared from debian some years 
ago, so you have to edit your own. I personally (and here people might not 
agree with me), prefer a xorg.conf so I have the advantage to set exactly what 
I want.

Solutions? Don't know. If possible buy a new cheap graphics card. Nvidia will 
be my first choice, Cards like GF 240 or similar are 20-40 € (running with 
actual nvidia-legacy-390xx*.deb). Or, if you want to spend more money, buy a 
modern one.

If you cannot, because this card is soldered within a notebook, think of 
installing either vouveau or an old proprietrary driver from nvidia in the 
price of an older kernel or try to get it compiled for the actual one. The 
drivers from Nvidia (which is a *.run file) can be unpacked and singly build. 

If you try the packages from backport, you might also install the old compiler 
environments, which might break your system. Solution (but a lot of work), try 
to install all the necessary files, then build the kernel module, aftrer that 
reupgrade your system. Take care not to deinstall your Nvidia-packages during 
this step.

Well, it is all not easy, but I hope, this helps!

best regards

Hans 


> Can I please get it from the gurus here, whether this card, NVIDIA 
> GeForce 7600 GT, works in Debian buster.
> 
> I've used this guide,
> https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Identification
> 
> But do have problems:
> 
> youtube will go black before images show up
> 
> vlc will go black before playing videos
> 
> I cannot change resolution, or any settings, do see below
> 
> clicking on 'Nvidia X Server Settings' does nothing, like I did not even
> click on it from the Applications>System Tools>Administration menu,
> where I can find 'Nvidia X Server Settings' at the top of that menu.
> 
> lspci -nn | egrep -i "3d|display|vga"
> 
> gives
> 
> 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G73
> [GeForce 7600 GT] [10de:0391] (rev a1)
> 
> Thanks a lot for your considered response.

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#223551

On 6/14/20 8:59 AM, Hans wrote:

> the 7600GT was supported by debian (I am not sure, if it still is with the
> actual kernel).
>
> At the moment it is supported by the kernel module "nouveau", but when you
> need hardware acceleration for i.e. games or other applications, you have to
> install the driver from Nvidia.
>
> To do this, there are several ways:
>
> 1. install the old legacy packages from debian
> You will not find the debian packages in the actual repo, as this card is too
> old. Ther eis a special repo, where you can find these packages, (I am not sure
> and maybe someone will correct me), it is called "backports.debian.org".
>
> Please note, that the kernel module always has to be build and as far as I
> know, these old kernel modules might fail at build on newer kernels. This is a
> problem with the gcc-version, the environment and the kernel heraders itself.
> Maybe you might have no other choice, but to run an older kernel, which might
> cause other issues.
>
>
> 2. download and install the driver directly from the Nvidia site
>   You may try to install the drivers from NVidia site. However, the kernel
> module has still to be build, but that may also fail with the actual kernel.
> Same problem as above.
>
>
> As for VLC, the problem is known. This is a graphics driver problem. I guess,
> that you are running either the vesa driver or the nouveau driver, which both
> lack of 3d-acceleration. You can try to change to another driver in VLC
> setttings (maybe "x11" or another) but avoid opengl. With a hardware
> accelerated driver like the propietrary driver from nvidia, setting "opengl"
> is recommended, if there is none, try "x11"
>
> Same is for resolution, it is a driver problem. The nouveau driver is running
> well with resolution, but you might need an "xorg.conf" to force the required
> resolution. Xorg.conf is no more needed and disappeared from debian some years
> ago, so you have to edit your own. I personally (and here people might not
> agree with me), prefer a xorg.conf so I have the advantage to set exactly what
> I want.
>
> Solutions? Don't know. If possible buy a new cheap graphics card. Nvidia will
> be my first choice, Cards like GF 240 or similar are 20-40 € (running with
> actual nvidia-legacy-390xx*.deb). Or, if you want to spend more money, buy a
> modern one.
>
> If you cannot, because this card is soldered within a notebook, think of
> installing either vouveau or an old proprietrary driver from nvidia in the
> price of an older kernel or try to get it compiled for the actual one. The
> drivers from Nvidia (which is a *.run file) can be unpacked and singly build.
>
> If you try the packages from backport, you might also install the old compiler
> environments, which might break your system. Solution (but a lot of work), try
> to install all the necessary files, then build the kernel module, aftrer that
> reupgrade your system. Take care not to deinstall your Nvidia-packages during
> this step.
>
> Well, it is all not easy, but I hope, this helps!
>
> best regards
>
> Hans

Hi Hans,

One of the most, most, excellent helpful responses. Of course, as we
both may conclude there's no 'real' solution while keeping the status quo.

I have learnt a lot, and I guess that's part of what this forum is for.
I will not do any of what you have suggested as I do not personally
think any will be an 'easy' solution, compared to investing in another
card.

Bottom line; gone are the days when Linux was the go-to OS for old
hardware. Indeed, this was a selling point for Linux when Dinosaur
walked the earth. It is not so now. Now it's an 'OS you can fiddle
with.' How times have changed. And the environment with it, as I soon
will be forced to throw this card away. Thankfully, there's still some
hope: recycling.

Cheers

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#223553

Seeds Notoneofmy wrote: 
> On 6/14/20 8:59 AM, Hans wrote:
> 
> > the 7600GT was supported by debian (I am not sure, if it still is with the
> > actual kernel).
> > 
> > At the moment it is supported by the kernel module "nouveau", but when you
> > need hardware acceleration for i.e. games or other applications, you have to
> > install the driver from Nvidia.
> > 
> > To do this, there are several ways:



> I have learnt a lot, and I guess that's part of what this forum is for.
> I will not do any of what you have suggested as I do not personally
> think any will be an 'easy' solution, compared to investing in another
> card.

Installing Nouveau is pretty easy.

> Bottom line; gone are the days when Linux was the go-to OS for old
> hardware. Indeed, this was a selling point for Linux when Dinosaur
> walked the earth. It is not so now. Now it's an 'OS you can fiddle
> with.' How times have changed. And the environment with it, as I soon

Sorry, you're wrong.

Your card is in the NV40 column here:
https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ 

It's pretty well supported.

-dsr-

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#223554

On 6/16/20 10:03 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Sorry, you're wrong.
>
> Your card is in the NV40 column here:
> https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/
>
> It's pretty well supported.
>
> -dsr-


...and anyone who can help, please do. The problem is really bad, each
website out there with video that plays automatically will send my
screen blank for a while and returns, all by itself. I need this fixed
urgently, if I can. It's really frustrating, for example, it the screen
has gone completely blank five times while tying this, because on
Firefox, I'm on this site:
https://www.techwalla.com/articles/macbook-a1278-specifications

Thanks everyone.

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#223555

On 6/16/20 10:03 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Sorry, you're wrong.
>
> Your card is in the NV40 column here:
> https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/
>
> It's pretty well supported.

Thanks, Dan.

But can you confirm: are you saying that my card is fully supported
under Buster?

If so, then we can return to the original question and perhaps you could
help me proceed.

Thanks ever so much.

Cheers.

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#223556

Seeds Notoneofmy wrote: 
> 
> On 6/16/20 10:03 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Sorry, you're wrong.
> > 
> > Your card is in the NV40 column here:
> > https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/
> > 
> > It's pretty well supported.
> 
> Thanks, Dan.
> 
> But can you confirm: are you saying that my card is fully supported
> under Buster?

It should be supported with:

$ apt search nouveau
...
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/stable 1:1.0.16-1 amd64
  X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver

So install that, make sure your X.org thinks it's the right
driver to use, and reboot for good luck.

-dsr-

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#223557

On 6/16/20 10:35 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> $ apt search nouveau
> ...
> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/stable 1:1.0.16-1 amd64
>    X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver
>
> So install that, make sure your X.org thinks it's the right
> driver to use, and reboot for good luck.

I currently have the nvidia drivers, do I just do apt-get remove nvidia
and then follow your guide?

Thanks a lot.

Dan, we can get this done right now...I'm ready!

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#223566

Seeds Notoneofmy wrote: 
> 
> On 6/16/20 10:35 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > $ apt search nouveau
> > ...
> > xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/stable 1:1.0.16-1 amd64
> >    X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver
> > 
> > So install that, make sure your X.org thinks it's the right
> > driver to use, and reboot for good luck.
> 
> I currently have the nvidia drivers, do I just do apt-get remove nvidia
> and then follow your guide?
> 

Three parts:

1. Remove the nvidia Xorg driver -- might need to remove the
Nvidia kernelmodeset module, too.

2. Install the nouveau Xorg video driver.

3. Tell the Xorg server to use the nouveau driver.

There are endless fiddly bits that might or might not interfere,
but that's the basic sequence.

-dsr-

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#223558

On 6/16/20 10:35 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> $ apt search nouveau


and I got this:

root@bruda:/home/brudabuster# apt search nouveau
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done
bumblebee/buster-backports,now 3.2.1-22~bpo10+1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
   NVIDIA Optimus support for Linux

libdrm-nouveau2/stable,now 2.4.97-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
   Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime

xfonts-jmk/stable 3.0-22 all
   Jim Knoble's character-cell fonts for X

xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/stable,now 1:1.0.16-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
   X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver

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#223483

Seeds Notoneofmy schreef op 2020-06-14 02:29:
> Can I please get it from the gurus here, whether this card, NVIDIA 
> GeForce 7600 GT, works in Debian buster.
> 
> I've used this guide,
> https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Identification
> 
> But do have problems:
> 
> youtube will go black before images show up
> 
> vlc will go black before playing videos
> 
> I cannot change resolution, or any settings, do see below
> 
> clicking on 'Nvidia X Server Settings' does nothing, like I did not 
> even
> click on it from the Applications>System Tools>Administration menu,
> where I can find 'Nvidia X Server Settings' at the top of that menu.
> 
> lspci -nn | egrep -i "3d|display|vga"
> 
> gives
> 
> 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G73
> [GeForce 7600 GT] [10de:0391] (rev a1)
> 
> Thanks a lot for your considered response.

(From nvidia-detect)
$ nvidia-detect 10de:0391
Checking driver support for PCI ID [10de:0391]
Your card is only supported by the 304 legacy drivers series, which is 
only available up to stretch.

In other words; downgrade Buster to Stretch if you want to use the 
nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx packages
Maybe you can install the 304 driver, but you must downgrade the Xserver 
to version 1.19


---
Floris

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#223552

On 6/14/20 5:45 PM, floris wrote:
> In other words; downgrade Buster to Stretch if you want to use the
> nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx packages
This isn't really an option :)
> Maybe you can install the 304 driver, but you must downgrade the
> Xserver to version 1.19

But this one seems to be. What would I break and how would I go about
downgrading a core part of the OS?

Thanks a lot.

Cheers

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#223560

On 17/6/20 5:49 am, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:
>
> On 6/14/20 5:45 PM, floris wrote:
>> In other words; downgrade Buster to Stretch if you want to use the
>> nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx packages
> This isn't really an option :)


buster-backports?




>> Maybe you can install the 304 driver, but you must downgrade the
>> Xserver to version 1.19
>
> But this one seems to be. What would I break and how would I go about
> downgrading a core part of the OS?
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Cheers
>
-- 
Who needs an interface?  Just say it runs in the background.

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#223563

On 6/17/20 1:00 AM, elvis wrote:
>
> On 17/6/20 5:49 am, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:
>>
>> On 6/14/20 5:45 PM, floris wrote:
>>> In other words; downgrade Buster to Stretch if you want to use the
>>> nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx packages
>> This isn't really an option :)
>
>
> buster-backports?
yes, what about buster-backports. Can you please share the balance of
your thought?
>
>
>
>
>>> Maybe you can install the 304 driver, but you must downgrade the
>>> Xserver to version 1.19
>>
>> But this one seems to be. What would I break and how would I go about
>> downgrading a core part of the OS?
>>
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>> Cheers
>>

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#223561

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On 6/14/20 5:45 PM, floris wrote:
> (From nvidia-detect)
> $ nvidia-detect 10de:0391
> Checking driver support for PCI ID [10de:0391]
> Your card is only supported by the 304 legacy drivers series, which is
> only available up to stretch.
>
> In other words; downgrade Buster to Stretch if you want to use the
> nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx packages
> Maybe you can install the 304 driver, but you must downgrade the
> Xserver to version 1.19

And this is what *was* installed, as I've now removed it with apt-get
purge nvidia*

nvidia-legacy-390xx-alternative (390.132-3~deb10u1)

Thanks.

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#223570

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Am Mittwoch, 17. Juni 2020, 01:17:24 CEST schrieb Seeds Notoneofmy:



Try "aptitude purge ~nnvidia*", this might uninstall more. The "~n" means "choose 
everything with the expression of .....", which in this case is "nvidia*".

This might also deinstall libs and other things. My best way to deinstall packages with a 
certain name.


There is also another way using apt-get, for this I am not sure, if this is still working: 

apt-get --purge remove 'nvidia-*'

This will also uninstall all packags of nvidia. Personally I prefer the aptitude one above.

Best

Hans  


On 6/14/20 5:45 PM, floris wrote:


(From nvidia-detect) $ nvidia-detect 10de:0391 Checking driver support for PCI ID [10de:
0391] Your card is only supported by the 304 legacy drivers series, which is only available 
up to stretch. 

In other words; downgrade Buster to Stretch if you want to use the nvidia-graphics-
drivers-legacy-304xx packages Maybe you can install the 304 driver, but you must 
downgrade the Xserver to version 1.19 
And this is what *was* installed, as I've now removed it with apt-get purge nvidia*


nvidia-legacy-390xx-alternative (390.132-3~deb10u1) 
Thanks.

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#223562

On 6/14/20 5:45 PM, floris wrote:
> (From nvidia-detect)
> $ nvidia-detect 10de:0391
> Checking driver support for PCI ID [10de:0391]
> Your card is only supported by the 304 legacy drivers series, which is
> only available up to stretch.
>
> In other words; downgrade Buster to Stretch if you want to use the
> nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx packages
> Maybe you can install the 304 driver, but you must downgrade the
> Xserver to version 1.19

Just to help others help me, here's lspci output on the card:

05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600
GT] (rev a1)

It did not give the Device PCI ID

Thanks

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#223587

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:13:57AM +0200, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:
> Just to help others help me, here's lspci output on the card:
> 
> 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600
> GT] (rev a1)
> 
> It did not give the Device PCI ID

Because you didn't use "lspci -nn".

See also https://bugs.debian.org/929984

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#223657

On 6/17/20 1:52 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Because you didn't use "lspci -nn".
>
> See alsohttps://bugs.debian.org/929984

Thanks a lot. And here's that output:

05:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G73
[GeForce 7600 GT] [10de:0391] (rev a1)

Best

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#223668

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On 6/19/20 9:28 PM, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:

> Thanks a lot. And here's that output:
>
> 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G73
> [GeForce 7600 GT] [10de:0391] (rev a1)
>
> Best

I guess Hans was right, after all. This is what Debian asked to do


          Version 304.137 (legacy GPUs)

For support of GeForce 6 series and GeForce 7 series GPUs (supported
devices
<http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.137/README/supportedchips.html>).


 1.

    Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list,
    for example:

    # Debian 9 "Stretch"
    deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free

 2. Update the list of available packages. Install the appropriate
    NVIDIA driver package:

# apt install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver

DKMS will build the nvidia module for your system, via the
nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
<https://packages.debian.org/nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms> package.

After, create an Xorg server configuration file
<https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure> and then
restart your system to enable the nouveau blacklist.


Except when you click on the DKMS link, there's no Buster package there.

I give up, except if I'm wrong with how I understand things.

Thanks to all, especially Hans, with whose help I could have saved a ton
of time.

Best

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