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  Partial Mouse Lockup Thomas George <lists@tomgeorge.info> - 2020-10-06 20:40 +0200
    Re: Partial Mouse Lockup Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-10-06 21:30 +0200
    Re: Partial Mouse Lockup <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-10-06 22:00 +0200
      Re: Partial Mouse Lockup Thomas George <lists@tomgeorge.info> - 2020-10-06 22:20 +0200
        Re: Partial Mouse Lockup <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-10-06 23:10 +0200
          Re: Partial Mouse Lockup Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-10-06 23:30 +0200
    Re: Partial Mouse Lockup Klaus Singvogel <deb-user-ml@singvogel.net> - 2020-10-06 23:30 +0200
    Re: Partial Mouse Lockup Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-10-07 00:50 +0200
    Re: Partial Mouse Lockup Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2020-10-08 06:20 +0200
    Re: Partial Mouse Lockup. New keyboard no response Thomas George <lists@tomgeorge.info> - 2020-10-12 14:30 +0200
      Re: Partial Mouse Lockup. New keyboard no response "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2020-10-12 17:40 +0200
        Re: Partial Mouse Lockup. New keyboard no response Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2020-10-12 18:10 +0200

#227641 — Partial Mouse Lockup

Mouse clicks don't work though mouse moves the pointer.

This happens infrequently, once in a day or two. I am using two pc's, a 
raspberrypi and a Ubuntu Studio each with its own Logitech usb keyboard 
and have experienced  this problem on both systems.

I have tried to recover with various keyboard entries - ctl-c, cti-d, 
esc, q and by disconnecting and reconnecting the keyboard. Nothing but a 
reboot solves the problem.  I use ctl-alt-f1 to open a terminal, sign in 
and enter shutdown -r now to do this. There is no problem with the keyboard.

Is this a known problem? Is there a known solution?

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#227642

On Tuesday 06 October 2020 14:27:10 Thomas George wrote:

> Mouse clicks don't work though mouse moves the pointer.
>
> This happens infrequently, once in a day or two. I am using two pc's,
> a raspberrypi and a Ubuntu Studio each with its own Logitech usb
> keyboard and have experienced  this problem on both systems.
>
> I have tried to recover with various keyboard entries - ctl-c, cti-d,
> esc, q and by disconnecting and reconnecting the keyboard. Nothing but
> a reboot solves the problem.  I use ctl-alt-f1 to open a terminal,
> sign in and enter shutdown -r now to do this. There is no problem with
> the keyboard.
>
> Is this a known problem? Is there a known solution?

I recall having a rash of similar scale while using the wireless mouse 
and keyboard pair with a single dongle, but that mouse eventually 
developed a flaky left button from a broken solder joint because the 
switch was not fully seated against the mouses pcb when it was soldered.

Mice are now being made so opening them up for solder joint repairs is 
going to damage it anyway, so I quit repairing them 3 or 4 years ago.  
Replacing the mouse with a $14 m317 logitek, which has its own receiver 
dongle, seems to have been a permanent cure.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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#227643

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On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 02:27:10PM -0400, Thomas George wrote:
> Mouse clicks don't work though mouse moves the pointer.
> 
> This happens infrequently, once in a day or two. I am using two
> pc's, a raspberrypi and a Ubuntu Studio each with its own Logitech
> usb keyboard and have experienced  this problem on both systems.

Make sure it's not the mouse's hardware.

Cheers
 - t

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#227644

The problem is extremely intermittent. I use the mouse many times a day 
with no problem. Then unexpectedly the click does not work.

On 10/6/20 3:58 PM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 02:27:10PM -0400, Thomas George wrote:
>> Mouse clicks don't work though mouse moves the pointer.
>>
>> This happens infrequently, once in a day or two. I am using two
>> pc's, a raspberrypi and a Ubuntu Studio each with its own Logitech
>> usb keyboard and have experienced  this problem on both systems.
> Make sure it's not the mouse's hardware.
>
> Cheers
>   - t

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On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 04:11:39PM -0400, Thomas George wrote:
> The problem is extremely intermittent. I use the mouse many times a
> day with no problem. Then unexpectedly the click does not work.

I've seen several mice fail in exactly this way, with a mechanical
problem. Not saying that this must be your case, but ruling that
out might save you a bit of troubleshooting.

Cheers
 - t

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#227647

On 07-10-2020 07:05, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 04:11:39PM -0400, Thomas George wrote:
>> The problem is extremely intermittent. I use the mouse many times a
>> day with no problem. Then unexpectedly the click does not work.

Have you even tried another mouse?

 
> I've seen several mice fail in exactly this way, with a mechanical
> problem. Not saying that this must be your case, but ruling that
> out might save you a bit of troubleshooting.

Exactly right!
This is what it looks like to me also.
Purely mechanical/electrical: a dirty contact point.

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#227646

Thomas George wrote:
> Mouse clicks don't work though mouse moves the pointer.
> 
> This happens infrequently, once in a day or two. I am using two pc's, a
> raspberrypi and a Ubuntu Studio each with its own Logitech usb keyboard and
> have experienced  this problem on both systems.

I noticed this issue either, but only on my PC. The issue was related that
the frequency of my wireless mouse from Logitech interferred with the SATA
cables.

A small adapter, which extends the distance between mouse receiver and USB
port by 5 cm, solved the issue for me. This adapter was enclosed in the
package of my Logitech mouse.

BUT as you experienced this issue either on the Raspi, which doesn't have
a SATA connection, it's very likely, that this is not the right solution
for you.

Obvious thougts:
- tried to connect your mouse via external USB hub at the PC?
- used different USB ports?
- replaced the batteries of your mouse with fresh ones? 

Best regards,
	Klaus.
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#227648

On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:27:10 -0400
Thomas George <lists@tomgeorge.info> wrote:

> Is there a known solution?

I don't know about a known solutions, but a workaround might be
ctl-alt-f1, followed by ctl-alt-f7. I think this will force X to
re-initialize some things.

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#227669

On 10/6/20 1:27 PM, Thomas George wrote:
> Mouse clicks don't work though mouse moves the pointer.
> 
> This happens infrequently, once in a day or two. I am using two pc's, a 
> raspberrypi and a Ubuntu Studio each with its own Logitech usb keyboard 
> and have experienced  this problem on both systems.
> 
> I have tried to recover with various keyboard entries - ctl-c, cti-d, 
> esc, q and by disconnecting and reconnecting the keyboard. Nothing but a 
> reboot solves the problem.  I use ctl-alt-f1 to open a terminal, sign in 
> and enter shutdown -r now to do this. There is no problem with the 
> keyboard.
> 
> Is this a known problem? Is there a known solution?
> 

It's been happening to me lately, especially in browsers.  I think it's 
garbage collection.

Mark

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#227744 — Re: Partial Mouse Lockup. New keyboard no response

10/12/20. Mouse working perfectly since reboot on 10/6/20 but this 
morning no response from keyboard. Tried ctl-alt-f1 and ctl-alt-f7 but 
no response. Not able to switch workplaces. Continued working in the 
current workspace using the mouse only. Verified mouse and keyboard 
batteries both at 50%. After several switches between open pages the 
keyboard recovered so I could write this.

All this on Ubuntu Studio. Again an intermittent problem. Keyboard just 
stopped working again and recovered after several minutes.

Has anyone else experienced this?

On 10/6/20 2:27 PM, Thomas George wrote:
> Mouse clicks don't work though mouse moves the pointer.
>
> This happens infrequently, once in a day or two. I am using two pc's, 
> a raspberrypi and a Ubuntu Studio each with its own Logitech usb 
> keyboard and have experienced  this problem on both systems.
>
> I have tried to recover with various keyboard entries - ctl-c, cti-d, 
> esc, q and by disconnecting and reconnecting the keyboard. Nothing but 
> a reboot solves the problem.  I use ctl-alt-f1 to open a terminal, 
> sign in and enter shutdown -r now to do this. There is no problem with 
> the keyboard.
>
> Is this a known problem? Is there a known solution?
>
>

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#227746 — Re: Partial Mouse Lockup. New keyboard no response

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On 12.10.2020 17:18, Thomas George wrote:
> 10/12/20. Mouse working perfectly since reboot on 10/6/20 but this
> morning no response from keyboard. Tried ctl-alt-f1 and ctl-alt-f7 but
> no response. Not able to switch workplaces. Continued working in the
> current workspace using the mouse only. Verified mouse and keyboard
> batteries both at 50%. After several switches between open pages the
> keyboard recovered so I could write this.
>
> All this on Ubuntu Studio. Again an intermittent problem. Keyboard
> just stopped working again and recovered after several minutes.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> On 10/6/20 2:27 PM, Thomas George wrote:
>> Mouse clicks don't work though mouse moves the pointer.
>>
>> This happens infrequently, once in a day or two. I am using two pc's,
>> a raspberrypi and a Ubuntu Studio each with its own Logitech usb
>> keyboard and have experienced  this problem on both systems.
>>
>> I have tried to recover with various keyboard entries - ctl-c, cti-d,
>> esc, q and by disconnecting and reconnecting the keyboard. Nothing
>> but a reboot solves the problem.  I use ctl-alt-f1 to open a
>> terminal, sign in and enter shutdown -r now to do this. There is no
>> problem with the keyboard.
>>
>> Is this a known problem? Is there a known solution?
>>
>>
>
Taking into account that both devices now exhibit similar behavior, I'd
start by looking into USB power saving functions [1]  and try to disable
them to see if it solves the problem.
That could be done by setting "autosuspend" parameter of kernel module
"usbcore" to a negative integer value (-1).
You can change it temporarily on running system by typing:
    sudo echo -1 > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend
and re-pluging USB device so new settings will be taken into account.

[1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt

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#227748 — Re: Partial Mouse Lockup. New keyboard no response

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Am Montag, 12. Oktober 2020, 17:33:46 CEST schrieb Alexander V. Makartsev:Got into a 
similar problem for years.  Suddenly keyboard (the internal of my notebook) stopped and 
I had to restart the window manager. 

This happened only in plasma5, not in LXDE or other window manager.

I read in some forum, that the problem of installing the package "fcitx" should stop this. I 
did, and - well the bug was gone. However, I did not understand why, because fcitx has 
just something to do with chinese or japanese fonts. No clue, what it was related to, but 
the bug was gone. 

At the moment I got into trouble with the touchpad, but I think, this is more a kernel 
module issue.

There is a bugreport, I filed to it.

Hope this helps a little bit.

Best

Hans

On 12.10.2020 17:18, Thomas George wrote:


10/12/20. Mouse working perfectly since reboot on 10/6/20 but this morning no response 
from keyboard. Tried ctl-alt-f1 and ctl-alt-f7 but no response. Not able to switch 
workplaces. Continued working in the current workspace using the mouse only. Verified 
mouse and keyboard batteries both at 50%. After several switches between open pages 
the keyboard recovered so I could write this. 2" All this on Ubuntu Studio. Again an 
intermittent problem. Keyboard just stopped working again and recovered after several 
minutes. 

Has anyone else experienced this? 

On 10/6/20 2:27 PM, Thomas George wrote: 


Mouse clicks don't work though mouse moves the pointer. 

This happens infrequently, once in a day or two. I am using two pc's, a raspberrypi and a 
Ubuntu Studio each with its own Logitech usb keyboard and have experienced  this 
problem on both systems. 

I have tried to recover with various keyboard entries - ctl-c, cti-d, esc, q and by 
disconnecting and reconnecting the keyboard. Nothing but a reboot solves the problem.  
I use ctl-alt-f1 to open a terminal, sign in and enter shutdown -r now to do this. There is 
no problem with the keyboard. 

Is this a known problem? Is there a known solution? 





Taking into account that both devices now exhibit similar behavior, I'd start by looking 
into USB power saving functions [1]  and try to disable them to see if it solves the 
problem.That could be done by setting "autosuspend" parameter of kernel module 
"usbcore" to a negative integer value (-1).You can change it temporarily on running 
system by typing:    sudo echo -1 > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt[1]

-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ 
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org[2]
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀  



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[1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt
[2] https://www.debian.org

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