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  crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-09-24 15:10 +0200
    Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-09-24 15:30 +0200
    Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Thomas Pircher <thp+debian@p5r.uk> - 2020-09-24 15:40 +0200
      Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-09-24 18:00 +0200
      Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-09-24 18:00 +0200
        Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Thomas Pircher <thp+debian@p5r.uk> - 2020-09-24 18:30 +0200
        Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-09-24 19:10 +0200
          Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-09-29 16:00 +0200
            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-09-29 16:50 +0200
            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-09-29 16:50 +0200
        Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-09-24 20:30 +0200
          Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-09-25 01:00 +0200
            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-09-25 11:40 +0200
              Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-09-26 04:50 +0200
              Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-09-29 16:00 +0200
                Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-09-29 16:30 +0200
                  Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-10-01 09:00 +0200
            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-09-25 13:50 +0200
              Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-09-25 14:00 +0200
                Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-09-25 15:10 +0200
                  Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-09-25 15:30 +0200
                    Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-09-25 16:00 +0200
                      Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-09-25 18:10 +0200
                        Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-09-25 18:20 +0200
                          Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-09-25 19:40 +0200
                            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-09-25 20:20 +0200
                            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-09-26 00:10 +0200
                              Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-09-26 00:30 +0200
                                Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-09-26 00:50 +0200
                        Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-09-25 19:00 +0200
                          Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-09-26 00:20 +0200
                            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-09-26 00:50 +0200
                              Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-09-26 01:00 +0200
                              Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-09-26 02:00 +0200
                                Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-09-26 16:50 +0200
                  Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-09-25 16:30 +0200
                    Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-09-25 17:00 +0200
                      Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-09-25 17:30 +0200
                        Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-09-25 17:40 +0200
                    Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-09-25 17:10 +0200
                      Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-09-25 18:30 +0200
                        Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-09-25 20:00 +0200
          Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-09-25 13:50 +0200
            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-09-25 15:00 +0200
            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-09-25 15:50 +0200
              Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-09-26 14:20 +0200
                Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-09-26 22:20 +0200
                  Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-09-29 15:50 +0200
                    Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-09-29 16:50 +0200
                      Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY <noon@mykolab.com> - 2020-10-01 13:30 +0200
            Re: crc not installed but rsync using it? ... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-09-25 16:50 +0200

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#227285 — crc not installed but rsync using it? ...

rsync uses crc for its data integrity checks. Why is it you can't use
it like any other OS utility?

$ date; which crc
Thu Sep 24 07:54:55 CEST 2020

$ date; which rsync
Thu Sep 24 07:54:59 CEST 2020
/usr/bin/rsync

$ rsync --version
rsync  version 3.1.2  protocol version 31
Copyright (C) 1996-2015 by Andrew Tridgell, Wayne Davison, and others.
Web site: http://rsync.samba.org/
Capabilities:
    64-bit files, 64-bit inums, 64-bit timestamps, 64-bit long ints,
    socketpairs, hardlinks, symlinks, IPv6, batchfiles, inplace,
    append, ACLs, xattrs, iconv, symtimes, prealloc

rsync comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.  This is free software, and you
are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.  See the GNU
General Public Licence for details.
$

How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
public Windows machine?

lbrtchx

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#227287

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 03:09:05PM +0200, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> rsync uses crc for its data integrity checks. Why is it you can't use
> it like any other OS utility?
> 
> $ date; which crc
> Thu Sep 24 07:54:55 CEST 2020
> 

CRC is a family of checksum algorithms.  They're generally considered
to be primitive and outdated.  For the most part, you won't find
standalone tools for each CRC variant.  You could probably find one tool
that implements several of them, with options to select the one you
would like.

Tab completion tells me I've got one called "crc32" installed.

unicorn:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/crc32
libarchive-zip-perl: /usr/bin/crc32

>From its man page:

       Note that the CRC-32 checksum is merely used  for  error  detection  in
       transmission  and storage.  It is not intended to guard against the ma‐
       licious modification of files (i.e., it is not a cryptographic hash).

There may very well be others.  Or, you could implement the algorithm(s)
yourself in C.  It would make a nice little freshman computer science
homework assignment.

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#227288

Albretch Mueller wrote:
> rsync uses crc for its data integrity checks. Why is it you can't use
> it like any other OS utility?

The code for CRC is so small and simple that virtually all applications
choose to implement it directly, rather than use a library or an
external application for it.

Also, note, there is no single `crc` (unlike MD5 or sha128). Strictly
speaking, Cyclic Redundancy Code is an algorithm, and you need to
specify more parameters (bit-width, polynom, initial value, and more) to
be able to actually implement it in code.
Sometimes people also say CRC when it is unambiguous in a certain field,
like CRC-32 for ethernet frames).

> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
> public Windows machine?

I'm not sure I understand this question or how it relates to the
previous one.

Cheers,
Thomas

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#227302

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:50:16PM +0200, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
> >> public Windows machine?
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand this question or how it relates to the
> > previous one.
> 
>  How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
> --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64

http://xyproblem.info/

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#227303

>> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
>> public Windows machine?
>
> I'm not sure I understand this question or how it relates to the
> previous one.

 How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
--install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64

 Thank you,
 lbrtchx

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#227304

Albretch Mueller wrote:
>  How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
> --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64

Hmm, the 'necessary utilities' might be jacksum, if it can calculate the
CRCs you are after, and what Debian release you are on.

How to get the package and its dependencies to your machine, that is a
different question and depends on what type of internet access you have,
if at all.

Is `apt install jacksum` not an option for you?

Thomas

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#227306

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:50:16PM +0200, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
> >> public Windows machine?
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand this question or how it relates to the
> > previous one.
> 
>  How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
> --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64

Typical Debian install has perl already, so you don't have to install
anything - [1].

Reco

[1] http://billauer.co.il/blog/2011/05/perl-crc32-crc-xs-module/

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#227473

On 9/24/20, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:50:16PM +0200, Albretch Mueller wrote:
>> >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
>> >> public Windows machine?
>> >
>> > I'm not sure I understand this question or how it relates to the
>> > previous one.
>>
>>  How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
>> --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64
>
> Typical Debian install has perl already, so you don't have to install
> anything - [1].
>
> Reco
>
> [1] http://billauer.co.il/blog/2011/05/perl-crc32-crc-xs-module/

 But I don't see anything when I go:

 which crc, crc32, crc64 ...

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#227478

David Wright wrote: 
> On Tue 29 Sep 2020 at 15:50:35 (+0200), Albretch Mueller wrote:
> > On 9/24/20, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:50:16PM +0200, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> > >> >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
> > >> >> public Windows machine?
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not sure I understand this question or how it relates to the
> > >> > previous one.
> > >>
> > >>  How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
> > >> --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64
> > >
> > > Typical Debian install has perl already, so you don't have to install
> > > anything - [1].
> > >
> > > [1] http://billauer.co.il/blog/2011/05/perl-crc32-crc-xs-module/
> > 
> >  But I don't see anything when I go:
> > 
> >  which crc, crc32, crc64 ...
> 
> Imagine you did find an executable called crc32. What would you do
> with it?
> 
> You find some data that's in an archive file called foo.zap. The
> program zap claims to include a crc32 check within the archive.
> Do you expect to type   crc32 --check foo.zap   and get some
> meaningful output, or what?

Would it be useful to suggest Reflections on Trusting Trust?
https://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/thompson/trust.html

-dsr-

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#227481

	Hi.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 03:50:35PM +0200, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> On 9/24/20, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:50:16PM +0200, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> >> >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
> >> >> public Windows machine?
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure I understand this question or how it relates to the
> >> > previous one.
> >>
> >>  How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
> >> --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64
> >
> > Typical Debian install has perl already, so you don't have to install
> > anything - [1].
> >
> > [1] http://billauer.co.il/blog/2011/05/perl-crc32-crc-xs-module/
> 
>  But I don't see anything when I go:
> 
>  which crc, crc32, crc64 ...

What I meant is it's trivial to implement these in perl, as [1] shows
us.

Reco

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#227310

Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
>>> public Windows machine?
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand this question or how it relates to the
>> previous one.

> How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
> --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64

Why do you think you need to do this? What do you hope to achieve by
doing this?

Grüße,
Sven

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

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#227312

On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 17:50:16 (+0200), Albretch Mueller wrote:
> >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
> >> public Windows machine?
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand this question or how it relates to the
> > previous one.
> 
>  How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
> --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64

I can't believe the answer is as simple as visiting
https://packages.debian.org/index
and downloading the packages you want (in binary mode).

Or is the problem your aversion to plugging a USB stick
into a public computer lest it become terminally polluted?

On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 20:23:51 (+0200), Sven Hartge wrote:
> Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> wrote:

> > How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
> > --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64
> 
> Why do you think you need to do this? What do you hope to achieve by
> doing this?

Perhaps the answer might be hinted at in postings like:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/10/msg00449.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/08/msg00352.html

Cheers,
David.

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#227325

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:58:49PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
>I can't believe the answer is as simple as visiting
>https://packages.debian.org/index
>and downloading the packages you want (in binary mode).

Plus (possibly several) iterations of downloading the dependencies,
and their dependencies, etc., cross-referencing against your installed
package list (if you have it) to trim down the list.


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👱🏻	Jonathan Dowland
✎	 jmtd@debian.org
🔗	https://jmtd.net

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#227380

On Fri 25 Sep 2020 at 10:33:51 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:58:49PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 17:50:16 (+0200), Albretch Mueller wrote:
> > > >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
> > > >> public Windows machine?
> > > >
> > >  How do I get the deb files in order to install locally (via dpkg
> > > --install) the necessary utilities to run CRC32 and/or CRC64
> > 
> > I can't believe the answer is as simple as visiting
> > https://packages.debian.org/index
> > and downloading the packages you want (in binary mode).
> 
> Plus (possibly several) iterations of downloading the dependencies,
> and their dependencies, etc., cross-referencing against your installed
> package list (if you have it) to trim down the list.

Sure. One might assume that the OP is familiar with the abilites of
apt and dpkg to manipulate their lists, so that apt can do this job.

And, if not, I would suggest their taking the linux laptop to the
public Windows machine so that any iteration is short and speedy.

I wrote simple, not easy.

Cheers,
David.

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#227474

On 9/25/20, Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:58:49PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
>>I can't believe the answer is as simple as visiting
>>https://packages.debian.org/index
>>and downloading the packages you want (in binary mode).
>
> Plus (possibly several) iterations of downloading the dependencies,
> and their dependencies, etc., cross-referencing against your installed
> package list (if you have it) to trim down the list.

 OK, you are talking right there about what I need:

 Is there such a thing as a java program (which could be used also on
WIndows or a mac) which you could tell which Debian package you need
and your Debian Release and it would download all pacakges you need
and even tell you the sequence in which  you have to install htem?

>
>
> --
> Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.
>
> 👱🏻	Jonathan Dowland
> ✎	 jmtd@debian.org
> 🔗	https://jmtd.net
>
>

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#227475

> If you want to defend against on-disk corruption, use ZFS.

> If you want to be alerted to every change to a set of files, use
> tripwire or aide. Both are packaged for Debian.

> ...

 Really?!? Well, I would say that is only part of the story and not
even the most interesting one. I am amazed to notice at times
technical people talking like it is all so obvious that if you don't
see things that way it is because "you are 'too' paranoid".

> Your paranoia is excessive ...

 Or maybe your normalcy bias is? or both?

On 9/25/20, Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 09:01:26AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>Your paranoia is excessive. I have 5 machines online ATM, but they are
>>all on a local network in the 1902.168.xx.xx block, which is NOT
>>routable from the internet but are NAT'd to my net address by having
>>such a setup in a router running dd-wrt. In nearly 2 decades, no one has
>>come into my systems from the internet that I didn't give the
>>credentials to do so.
>
> You post this all the time, but it's irrelevant at best and misleading
> at worst. On a default debian system these days an external firewall is
> basically a noop because there are no services listening. The attack
> vector in modern environments is much more likely to be client exploits
> (e.g., web browser) and a perimeter firewall adds zero protection from
> that threat.
>
> And, honestly, most people who are compromised have no clue that they
> are unless someone tells them.

 Thank you! This I am relating may be considered to be totally off
topic in the Debian Linux mailing list by most people or maybe not. In
my case I have constantly noticed how they use js to own my box, from
blocking access to certain sites, to multiversing real time the sites
I go to. Just to cite an example, you google your crush or go to her
pages and what you get are pages with people with bruises on their
faces, pictures of bed bugs, bed bugs' bites on people's skin, ...
They also make single individuals and a bunch of "social
responsibility committee" kinds of people scratch their body around in
quite theatrical ways when you are on the streets:

 https://theintercept.com/2016/04/09/fbis-shared-responsibility-committees-to-identify-radicalized-muslims-raises-alarms/

 You could figure out what would happen next and who could possibly
horizontally and vertically orchestrate, coordinate, pay and legally
protect the perpetrators doing such things.

 I don't know of a single "secure"/"private" OS, software stack or any
such approaches being taken seriously. Do you?

 To me those concepts are a joke when it comes to computers. IT
companies tell people: "we care about your privacy" and "We the
people" don't even realize what a callous joke that is on so many
levels. If they care about "one's own privacy" (as they say) that
tacitly means you have no privacy whatsoever! Maybe I am too old, too
romantic. It is my understanding of that thing they used to call
"privacy", it was something only one could possibly take care of by
oneself. The only "private"/"secure" way to own you computer to me (as
I heard Linus Torvalds once say making all kinds of faces) is never
connecting it to the Internet

On 9/29/20, Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/25/20, Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:58:49PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
>>>I can't believe the answer is as simple as visiting
>>>https://packages.debian.org/index
>>>and downloading the packages you want (in binary mode).
>>
>> Plus (possibly several) iterations of downloading the dependencies,
>> and their dependencies, etc., cross-referencing against your installed
>> package list (if you have it) to trim down the list.
>
>  OK, you are talking right there about what I need:
>
>  Is there such a thing as a java program (which could be used also on
> WIndows or a mac) which you could tell which Debian package you need
> and your Debian Release and it would download all pacakges you need
> and even tell you the sequence in which  you have to install htem?
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.
>>
>> 👱🏻	Jonathan Dowland
>> ✎	 jmtd@debian.org
>> 🔗	https://jmtd.net
>>
>>
>

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#227522

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On Ma, 29 sep 20, 16:20:10, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> 
>  I don't know of a single "secure"/"private" OS, software stack or any
> such approaches being taken seriously. Do you?

Tails: https://tails.boum.org/

Kind regards,
Andrei
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http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#227333

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:58:49PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 17:50:16 (+0200), Albretch Mueller wrote:
> > >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
> > >> public Windows machine?

> > Why do you think you need to do this? What do you hope to achieve by
> > doing this?
> 
> Perhaps the answer might be hinted at in postings like:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/10/msg00449.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/08/msg00352.html

... oh, he's one of THOSE.

I'm done.

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#227334

On 9/25/20, Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:58:49PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
>> On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 17:50:16 (+0200), Albretch Mueller wrote:
>> > >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg from a
>> > >> public Windows machine?
>
>> > Why do you think you need to do this? What do you hope to achieve by
>> > doing this?
>>
>> Perhaps the answer might be hinted at in postings like:
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/10/msg00449.html
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/08/msg00352.html

 Yes, I am the one who posted both messages and, as I said, in my kind
of reality I can't "simply" connect my work computer to the Internet
and "just" go: apt-get ...

 I never connect my work computer to the Internet. That is why I
always install packages locally via dpkg, which is an option debian
users have, no? I see a lot of people asking the same kinds of
questiions I ask, so it seems as Lenon sang that "I am not the only
one"

 L

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On Friday 25 September 2020 07:54:54 Albretch Mueller wrote:

> On 9/25/20, Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 05:58:49PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> >> On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 17:50:16 (+0200), Albretch Mueller wrote:
> >> > >> How do I get all packages to be locally installed using dpkg
> >> > >> from a public Windows machine?
> >> >
> >> > Why do you think you need to do this? What do you hope to achieve
> >> > by doing this?
> >>
> >> Perhaps the answer might be hinted at in postings like:
> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/10/msg00449.html
> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/08/msg00352.html
>
>  Yes, I am the one who posted both messages and, as I said, in my kind
> of reality I can't "simply" connect my work computer to the Internet
> and "just" go: apt-get ...
>
Your paranoia is excessive. I have 5 machines online ATM, but they are 
all on a local network in the 1902.168.xx.xx block, which is NOT 
routable from the internet but are NAT'd to my net address by having 
such a setup in a router running dd-wrt. In nearly 2 decades, no one has 
come into my systems from the internet that I didn't give the 
credentials to do so. dns is handled by host files locally, but a name 
that is unk to the host files is sent to the router where the resolution 
is done by my ISP's dns servers. Each of those machines has a cron job 
that updates software availability of updates on a daily basis, and thet 
can indeed sudo apt-get update|list --upgradable|upgrade.  Each can also 
run a browser and download an appimage, dpkg, tarball or whatever from 
any site on the net serving it.

Your inability to look at "security" in light of what is available to 
keep you secure, on a 24/7/365 basis by spending maybe $70 US on a 
router capable of being reflashed to run something like dd-wrt (theres 3 
or so others that can also do this) to serve as your guard dog, is a 
poor excuse indeed.

I even serve up my web pages such as they are, from this machine, but my 
connection is cheap and slow, so I do run a second copy of iptables on 
this machine which currently has 102 bot addresses blocked. It seems 
they want to mirror my site which uses up my upload bandwidth, 
constituting a DDOS.

I don't mind their indexing it, so the search engines can serve the 
results, but the minute I see them downloading everything they can 
touch, they get added to iptables and dropped.  Those blocked addy's 
are, because they are moved around to get around such blocking about 
weekly, are blocked on a /24, or for the bigger offenders, a /16 basis.  
That also blocks their paying subscribers too, but I officially don't 
care that they choose to use an ISP that also abuses the net residents  
like that.  Is it a war?  Sure it is, but computers never sleep, they 
can stand guard while you are sleeping. They don't need a vacation or 
time off duty.  Use them for what they are good at.
 
>  I never connect my work computer to the Internet. That is why I
> always install packages locally via dpkg, which is an option debian
> users have, no? I see a lot of people asking the same kinds of
> questiions I ask, so it seems as Lenon sang that "I am not the only
> one"

No you are not the only one, but you are a minority that does not always 
want to understand how to use the internet and be safe at the same time. 
It can be done, I'm doing it.  And I've been doing it since the later 
90's.

>  L
Like Greg,  I've said it, and done.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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