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  Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card Jiangsu Kumquat <reply@mynetblog.com> - 2020-04-25 13:30 +0200
    Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-04-25 14:10 +0200
    Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card). Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-04-25 14:10 +0200
      Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card). Jiangsu Kumquat <reply@mynetblog.com> - 2020-04-25 15:30 +0200
      Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-27 22:00 +0200
        Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-04-27 22:00 +0200
          Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-27 22:40 +0200
            Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-04-28 00:00 +0200
              Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-28 01:00 +0200
                Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-04-28 01:20 +0200
                  Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-28 02:50 +0200
              Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-28 10:10 +0200
                Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-04-28 11:20 +0200
                  Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-04-28 12:00 +0200
                    Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card). deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-28 19:00 +0200
                    Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-04-29 00:40 +0200
                      Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-29 09:50 +0200
          Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-28 02:20 +0200
        Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-27 22:50 +0200
          Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-28 02:20 +0200
      Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible  video card). "der.hans" <deb-user@LuftHans.com> - 2020-04-27 22:40 +0200
    Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2020-04-25 16:00 +0200
      Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-25 19:50 +0200
      Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card "tv.debian@googlemail.com" <tv.debian@googlemail.com> - 2020-04-26 11:50 +0200
        Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2020-04-27 17:30 +0200

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#221921 — Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card

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I want to get a good fast Debian compatible card for 1080p.

I was looking at this page...

Best Graphics Cards 2020 - Top Gaming GPUs for the Money | Tom's Hardware
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html

However, I think most or all of those cards won't work that great for Linux
because of compatibility issues.

Can you recommend a good card for me to use? I play windows games in Debian
with wine.

I tend to prefer AMD cards, but Nvidia cards are okay I guess as long as
they work well with Debian.

Thanks!!

_________________
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More secure, more flexible, and completely free video conferencing. Go
ahead, video chat with the whole team. In fact, invite everyone you know.
Jitsi Meet is a fully encrypted, 100% open source video conferencing
solution that you can use all day, every day, for free — with no account
needed.
https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/

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On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 05:20:33AM -0600, Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> I want to get a good fast Debian compatible card for 1080p.
> 
> I was looking at this page...
> 
> Best Graphics Cards 2020 - Top Gaming GPUs for the Money | Tom's Hardware
> https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html
> 
> However, I think most or all of those cards won't work that great for Linux
> because of compatibility issues.
> 
> Can you recommend a good card for me to use? I play windows games in Debian
> with wine.
> 
> I tend to prefer AMD cards, but Nvidia cards are okay I guess as long as
> they work well with Debian.
> 
> Thanks!!
>


I do not know about GPU and I do not care. For my purpose any simple card
does the jobe well enough.
However when it comes to reviews with linux in mind
https://www.phoronix.com
might be a good start.

my $0.02

-H

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Henning Follmann           | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com

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#221925 — Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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I couldn't help noticing your .sig reference to Jitsi.  There were threads
about it, as a good replacement for Zoom.  Also, there is a strong need in
another online community that I belong to.

How is your experience with a "room" with, say about 10 people in it with
some using Video, but others preferring Audio only?

Thank you and best regards,

Kenneth Parker

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 7:21 AM Jiangsu Kumquat <reply@mynetblog.com> wrote:

> I want to get a good fast Debian compatible card for 1080p.
>
> I was looking at this page...
>
> Best Graphics Cards 2020 - Top Gaming GPUs for the Money | Tom's Hardware
> https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html
>
> However, I think most or all of those cards won't work that great for
> Linux because of compatibility issues.
>
> Can you recommend a good card for me to use? I play windows games in
> Debian with wine.
>
> I tend to prefer AMD cards, but Nvidia cards are okay I guess as long as
> they work well with Debian.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> _________________
> PrivacyTools - Encryption and tools to protect against global mass
> surveillance - https://www.privacytools.io -
> https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/
> --
> More secure, more flexible, and completely free video conferencing. Go
> ahead, video chat with the whole team. In fact, invite everyone you know.
> Jitsi Meet is a fully encrypted, 100% open source video conferencing
> solution that you can use all day, every day, for free — with no account
> needed.
> https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/
>
>

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#221929 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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I actually have not used it yet... I mainly have that linked because zoom
is full of major security holes... and JItsi seems like a great app.

https://www.cnet.com/news/zoom-every-security-issue-uncovered-in-the-video-chat-app/

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 6:06 AM Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:

> I couldn't help noticing your .sig reference to Jitsi.  There were threads
> about it, as a good replacement for Zoom.  Also, there is a strong need in
> another online community that I belong to.
>
> How is your experience with a "room" with, say about 10 people in it with
> some using Video, but others preferring Audio only?
>
> Thank you and best regards,
>
> Kenneth Parker
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 7:21 AM Jiangsu Kumquat <reply@mynetblog.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to get a good fast Debian compatible card for 1080p.
>>
>> I was looking at this page...
>>
>> Best Graphics Cards 2020 - Top Gaming GPUs for the Money | Tom's Hardware
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html
>>
>> However, I think most or all of those cards won't work that great for
>> Linux because of compatibility issues.
>>
>> Can you recommend a good card for me to use? I play windows games in
>> Debian with wine.
>>
>> I tend to prefer AMD cards, but Nvidia cards are okay I guess as long as
>> they work well with Debian.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> _________________
>> PrivacyTools - Encryption and tools to protect against global mass
>> surveillance - https://www.privacytools.io -
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/
>> --
>> More secure, more flexible, and completely free video conferencing. Go
>> ahead, video chat with the whole team. In fact, invite everyone you know.
>> Jitsi Meet is a fully encrypted, 100% open source video conferencing
>> solution that you can use all day, every day, for free — with no account
>> needed.
>> https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/
>>
>>

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#222013 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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On Apr 25, 2020, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> I couldn't help noticing your .sig reference to Jitsi.  There were threads
> about it, as a good replacement for Zoom.  Also, there is a strong need in
> another online community that I belong to.
> 
> How is your experience with a "room" with, say about 10 people in it with
> some using Video, but others preferring Audio only?

I tried it locally (with a LOCAL instance running) and it worked quite
nicely for half a dozen PCs / laptops around the house.  The only thing
I happen to be missing is the PSTN bridge ... but I haven't found one
that's stupid expensive (for an individual) to get started.

But wifey and family settled on Zoom before all the issues started
cropping up, and getting the "not techy" people to move would be far too
painful (read: wife doesn't even want to ask if they wanna try).


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#222014 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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Dan Purgert (12020-04-27):
> I tried it locally (with a LOCAL instance running) and it worked quite
> nicely for half a dozen PCs / laptops around the house.

Oh, interesting.

Have you found a good set of instructions to set it up on a Debian?
People I know have been looking for and did not find.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#222016 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:54:46PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
>Dan Purgert (12020-04-27):
>> I tried it locally (with a LOCAL instance running) and it worked quite
>> nicely for half a dozen PCs / laptops around the house.
>
>Oh, interesting.
>
>Have you found a good set of instructions to set it up on a Debian?
>People I know have been looking for and did not find.

I do not have the URL, but Jitsi has a YouTube video which takes you
step-by-step through a server installation on Debian.  It is a nice
presentation; I have used it with success.

Beware:  the real jitsi is jitsi.org.  If you search for "jitsi", you
may end up on the web site of a "ww1.jitsi.com" (note that "ww1" is
not a typo).

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#222019 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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Russell L. Harris (12020-04-27):
> I do not have the URL, but Jitsi has a YouTube video which takes you
> step-by-step through a server installation on Debian.  It is a nice
> presentation; I have used it with success.

Is it the one you were thinking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KR0AhDZF2A

? If so, that is not a tutorial on installing a piece of software, that
is a tutorial on opening access to my computer to people I do not trust
much. No, thanks.

If Jitsi is really Libre Software, then it should be installable from
sources. This is the tutorial I am looking for.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#222020 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:53:39PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
>Russell L. Harris (12020-04-27):
>> I do not have the URL, but Jitsi has a YouTube video which takes you
>> step-by-step through a server installation on Debian.  It is a nice
>> presentation; I have used it with success.
>
>Is it the one you were thinking about:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KR0AhDZF2A
>
>? If so, that is not a tutorial on installing a piece of software, that
>is a tutorial on opening access to my computer to people I do not trust
>much. No, thanks.
>
>If Jitsi is really Libre Software, then it should be installable from
>sources. This is the tutorial I am looking for.
>
>Regards,
>
>-- 
>  Nicolas George

As to "...opening access to [your] computer...", what do you mean?

The tutorial shows how to install jitsi from a Debian package.

At this time the package is not in the Debian archive, but if you have
the expertise you can create your own Debian package from the source,
which is available in github.

Do you not understand that jitsi is open source?

What kind of tutorial are you expecting to find?  

RLH

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#222021 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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Russell L. Harris (12020-04-27):
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KR0AhDZF2A

> As to "...opening access to [your] computer...", what do you mean?
> 
> The tutorial shows how to install jitsi from a Debian package.

I we are indeed referring to the same video, it tells how to add an APT
source. Installing a package not from the distribution is risky because
bogus dependencies could block important upgrades. Adding a source does
that, and much worse: the new repository could override any system
package. 

> At this time the package is not in the Debian archive, but if you have
> the expertise you can create your own Debian package from the source,
> which is available in github.

I know people, who I know are very skilled, failed to install this from
source, because of pletoric dependencies and/or languages with NIH
distribution schemes. So unless you did, please do not act as if it was
easy.

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#222024 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 01:09:54AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
>Russell L. Harris (12020-04-27):
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KR0AhDZF2A
>
>> As to "...opening access to [your] computer...", what do you mean?
>>
>> The tutorial shows how to install jitsi from a Debian package.
>
>I we are indeed referring to the same video, it tells how to add an APT
>source. Installing a package not from the distribution is risky because
>bogus dependencies could block important upgrades. Adding a source does
>that, and much worse: the new repository could override any system
>package.
>
>> At this time the package is not in the Debian archive, but if you have
>> the expertise you can create your own Debian package from the source,
>> which is available in github.
>
>I know people, who I know are very skilled, failed to install this from
>source, because of pletoric dependencies and/or languages with NIH
>distribution schemes. So unless you did, please do not act as if it was
>easy.
>
>-- 
>  Nicolas George

There indeed is an element of risk in installing a package which does
not come from the Debian repository.  And, indeed, some packages are
not in the Debian repository because of incompatibilities with other
packages.  And creating a Debian package truly is more difficult than
is installing a package which someone else has created; I did not
claim otherwise.

With terms such as "bogus" and "pletoric" (sic; I presume you mean
"plethoric") you are implying malice and incompetence on the part of
jitsi.  Do you have evidence for such accusation?

Commonsense dictates that a conferencing server be run on dedicated
hardware, rather than on a computer which is vital to local
operations.  In this day of the "smartphone", surplus computers are
abundant and are priced cheaply.  As I stated, by following the video,
I successfully installed Jitsi on an old desktop running Debian 9 (or
perhaps it was Debian 10), and I successfully used the server for
video conferencing.

RLH

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#222026 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:53:39PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:

[...]

> If Jitsi is really Libre Software, then it should be installable from
> sources. This is the tutorial I am looking for.

Sigh. LMDDgIFY

Jitsi home page:

  https://jitsi.org/

List of projects:

  https://jitsi.org/projects/

I guess the talk here goes arount Jitsi videobridge (or is it
Jitsi desktop? You tell me). Anyway, Jitsi videobridge is here:

  https://jitsi.org/jitsi-videobridge/

There's a link to a source code repo (alas, github).

Have fun. And report here. Yes, it's free software (Videobridge is Apache 2.0).

Cheers
-- t

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#222027 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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tomas@tuxteam.de (12020-04-28):
> Sigh. LMDDgIFY

So, my take is that nobody here managed to install Jitsi from sources.
That should tell you something.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#222028 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:15:00AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> tomas@tuxteam.de (12020-04-28):
> > Sigh. LMDDgIFY
> 
> So, my take is that nobody here managed to install Jitsi from sources.

I never tried, mind you. I've got better things to do with my time than
wrangling down a Java Monster (TM).

That said, I don't know what your point is (besides whining around a
bit here): you get the thing as a Debian packaged source. You have
shown some expertise in this list. Putting those two things together,
you're in the enviable position to try to run a Debian package build [1]:
thus you get a wonderful basis to start off.

What's missing?

Cheers

[1] optionally set up a chroot & debootstrap, alternatively
   a VM -- or run "naked" in your box; get build-deps; run
   dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us or something.

-- t

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#222046 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> What's missing?

Jitsi from source - is a pain

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#222064 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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tomas@tuxteam.de (12020-04-28):
> I never tried, mind you. I've got better things to do with my time than
> wrangling down a Java Monster (TM).
> 
> That said, I don't know what your point is (besides whining around a
> bit here): you get the thing as a Debian packaged source. You have
> shown some expertise in this list. Putting those two things together,
> you're in the enviable position to try to run a Debian package build [1]:
> thus you get a wonderful basis to start off.
> 
> What's missing?

What's missing is control, and the trust that comes with it.

Even assuming that the packaging rules succeed, which is a pretty bold
assumption.

Even assuming that the packaging rules succeed without re-installing in
~/.something half the libraries in the world because these rules are
actually a thin veneer of Debian packaging on top of a completely alien
package system, because nowadays every stupid language feel the need to
have its own package system and its own build system.

Then running a build script as a black box, being forced to run it in
exactly the build environment it was designed for, is only marginally
better than installing binary blobs.

Libre Software means that the source code is available, but the source
code is not just the code files. Distributing the source tree but
keeping the know-how to be able to do something with it, that is not
Libre Software.

If it is done on purpose, to be able to claim opensourceness and the PR
benefits that come with it, without having the drawback of giving away
usable code for free, it is entirely dishonest.

If it is done because of incompetence, because the developers are
actually unable to develop most of the things in their project and just
produce monstrous frankenware, it is less dishonest, but the end result
is the same.

We cannot prevent these projects from existing, but at least we have to
realise they are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#222073 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:36:50AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> tomas@tuxteam.de (12020-04-28):
> > I never tried, mind you. I've got better things to do with my time than
> > wrangling down a Java Monster (TM).
> > 
> > That said, I don't know what your point is (besides whining around a
> > bit here): you get the thing as a Debian packaged source. You have
> > shown some expertise in this list. Putting those two things together,
> > you're in the enviable position to try to run a Debian package build [1]:
> > thus you get a wonderful basis to start off.
> > 
> > What's missing?
> 
> What's missing is control, and the trust that comes with it.
> 
> Even assuming that the packaging rules succeed, which is a pretty bold
> assumption.

[big rant elided)

> We cannot prevent these projects from existing, but at least we have to
> realise they are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.

I do understand you [1]. Still, Jitis and BBB seem to be the
only free contenders in this space. What do you suggest, then?
Zoom?

It's the same dilemma we are in with browsers (actually, I think
with browsers the situation is even worse, Mozilla being forced
to follow every whim Chrome takes, and Chrome being fueled by the
ad industry... watch pocket and all those shenanigans).

These days people are running in droves for video conferencing
software (don't ask me why). Of late, I read of someone in an
academic environment trying to set up Jitsi for their virtual
lectures. The thing failed at 30 participants, so they ditched
it and went to Zoom. Darn.

Suggestions?

Any ideas? Are you working in an alternative? I'd test it, promised.

Cheers
[1] I call that "killing free software by complexity". Roughly
   what Raph Levien called "the decommoditization of protocols" 

-- tomás

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#222022 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

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On Apr 27, 2020, Nicolas George wrote:
> Dan Purgert (12020-04-27):
> > I tried it locally (with a LOCAL instance running) and it worked quite
> > nicely for half a dozen PCs / laptops around the house.
> 
> Oh, interesting.
> 
> Have you found a good set of instructions to set it up on a Debian?
> People I know have been looking for and did not find.

Just followed the quickstart guide on their github page.  Basically it
was these handful of steps:

1. added the repo -- deb https://download.jitsi.org stable/
2. added the jitsi signing key -- EF8B479E2DC1389C
3. apt-get update && apt-get install jitsi-meet 
4. whacked the config file because the STUN service didn't behave
properly for jitsi-videobridge or one of the other components.
5. followed the security things (dole out username & password for
meeting creation -- anyone can technically spin one up, but they're
stuck in a waiting room til I open it).

NOTE -- I'm running it on Buster.

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#222017 — Re: Jitsi (was Re: Please help me find a good Debian compatible video card).

Dan Purgert wrote: 
> On Apr 25, 2020, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > I couldn't help noticing your .sig reference to Jitsi.  There were threads
> > about it, as a good replacement for Zoom.  Also, there is a strong need in
> > another online community that I belong to.
> > 
> > How is your experience with a "room" with, say about 10 people in it with
> > some using Video, but others preferring Audio only?
> 
> I tried it locally (with a LOCAL instance running) and it worked quite
> nicely for half a dozen PCs / laptops around the house.  The only thing
> I happen to be missing is the PSTN bridge ... but I haven't found one
> that's stupid expensive (for an individual) to get started.

If I recall correctly, all that's needed is a SIP account with a
PSTN bridge company, so you might find that voip.ms or 8x8 or
any number of other companies might fill that need for a
reasonable price.

-dsr-

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On Apr 27, 2020, Dan Ritter wrote:
> [...]
> If I recall correctly, all that's needed is a SIP account with a
> PSTN bridge company, so you might find that voip.ms or 8x8 or
> any number of other companies might fill that need for a
> reasonable price.

That might be exactly what I was looking for -- all my (admittedly very
few) DDG searches picked up *business* style providers -- so $40 or $50
to get started, then $49.95 / month for 5 lines and blahblah (if paid
for a year in advance) that probably make a ton of sense for an office;
but not so much for a guy goofing around for 3-6 months tops.

Thanks for the suggestions!

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