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Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

From David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?
Date 2019-07-29 17:20 +0200
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On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 10:05:19 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote:
> Joe wrote: 
> > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 09:34:25 -0400 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > In a single-family house, Powerline is about as secure as wired
> > > ethernet: you need to come in and plug something in to spy on
> > > it.
> > 
> > Most people won't have RF blocking filters at their house electricity
> > inlet, so there may be some leakage to the next house that's on the
> > same phase.
> > 
> > I can get a reliable connection on the end of about 100ft of house and
> > extension cable, so I wouldn't be surprised to be able to find a signal
> > in another house. 
>  
> I went over to my neighbor's house last year and tried it out.
> Nothing.
> 
> It's possible that we're exceptional.

Presumably you checked that you share the transformer? We get our
power from the poles on the other side of the street. Our neighbours
on each side get theirs from the rear easement which makes a 3-blocks
length journey for any signal.

> > Presumably, when we speak of security here, we're not talking about
> > accidental reception, wi-fi WEP would be sufficient to prevent this,
> > but a deliberate attempt to break in. We could assume that someone
> > trying to get into a power-line link would be able to amplify the
> > signals involved.
> 
> Most single-family homes have an external outlet or two. It
> would be quite feasible to install a powerline-to-wifi adapter
> there and get access that way.

Good point. People might not notice the device. Our external outlets
run off switches inside the house—the architects thought this was
remarkable.

> On the other hand, I leave my wifi open and unsecured, because
> it's attached to the outside of my security zones, not the
> inside.

I don't quite understand. What do you use the wifi for? And what
runs inside your security zones?

Cheers,
David.

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Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-29 12:50 +0200
  Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-29 13:00 +0200
    Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-29 14:00 +0200
      Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-29 14:50 +0200
      Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-29 15:40 +0200
        Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-07-30 11:30 +0200
      Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-07-29 16:30 +0200
        Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-29 17:20 +0200
    Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-07-29 14:10 +0200
      Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-29 15:20 +0200
      Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-29 15:40 +0200
        Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-07-29 15:50 +0200
          Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-29 16:10 +0200
            Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-29 17:20 +0200
              Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-29 18:00 +0200
          Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-07-29 16:30 +0200
          Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-07-29 16:40 +0200
        Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-29 16:50 +0200
        Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-07-30 05:00 +0200
      Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-07-29 17:30 +0200
        Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-07-29 21:50 +0200
          Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-29 22:00 +0200
            Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-07-29 22:10 +0200
              Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-29 23:10 +0200
            Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-07-29 23:30 +0200
              Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-30 00:10 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-30 03:50 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-07-30 09:00 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-07-30 13:20 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-07-30 14:50 +0200
            Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-30 14:40 +0200
              Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-30 15:00 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-30 21:20 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-07-30 21:30 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-31 00:30 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-30 21:50 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-31 00:30 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? "Martin McCormick" <martin.m@suddenlink.net> - 2019-08-01 14:40 +0200
              Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-07-30 15:50 +0200
              Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-30 16:20 +0200
              Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-30 16:30 +0200
                3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-07-30 17:40 +0200
                Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-07-31 09:50 +0200
                Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-07-31 10:00 +0200
                Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-01 15:50 +0200
                Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-08-01 19:10 +0200
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                Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2019-08-01 22:20 +0200
                Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-01 23:20 +0200
              Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 18:30 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-08-03 20:20 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 21:00 +0200
        Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-29 23:00 +0200
      Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-07-29 17:30 +0200
    Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-07-31 01:10 +0200
      Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-07-31 09:10 +0200
        Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-02 16:20 +0200
      Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-31 09:50 +0200
        Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-07-31 14:00 +0200
          Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-31 15:10 +0200
            Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-31 15:40 +0200
              Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-31 15:50 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2019-08-01 03:20 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-01 04:40 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-01 04:40 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-01 08:20 +0200
            Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-01 04:40 +0200
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                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-01 08:50 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-01 10:00 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-02 05:20 +0200
                Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-02 05:20 +0200
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  Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-29 17:00 +0200
  Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-07-29 17:20 +0200
    Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-29 18:00 +0200
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