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Re: IPv4 v IPv6

From Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: IPv4 v IPv6
Date 2019-06-18 12:40 +0200
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	Hi.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 09:56:17PM +1200, Richard Hector wrote:
> On 18/06/19 3:38 AM, Reco wrote:
> > 	Hi.
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:38:27AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> But that opens yet another container of worms. If I arbitrarily assign 
> >> ipv6 local addresses, and later, ipv6 shows up at my side of the router, 
> >> what if I have an address clash with someone on a satellite circuit in 
> >> Ulan Bator.  How is that resolved, by unroutable address blocks such as 
> >> 192.168.xx.xx is now?
> > 
> > More or less yes. It's called ULA (Unique Local Address) in IPv6 lingua.
> > If you're using anything from fd00:/8 - you're safe.
> 
> As long as you choose them randomly. If you decide to use fd00::/64, or
> something else predictable, you may run into conflicts ... but only if
> you connect directly to their network.

No sensibly configured router will allow forwarding ULAs to the
internet.  A scenario you're describing is therefore impossible unless
one adds NAT66 or some kind of VPN to it. In the former case
predictability of site addresses do not matter, in the latter it's
solvable with the appropriate amount of custom routes.


> Better safe than sorry though.

As long as it works for you - sure.


> The main reason I'm using v6 is that 2 networks I'm running a VPN
> between both chose 192.168.1.0/24, and I can't change either ...

So? If your VPN is running in L3 mode it's still possible to add some
kludges to IPv4 routing. If your VPN passes L2 - you're doing it
terribly wrong.


> There are online random ULA generators - but I'm not convinced one of
> them didn't give me the same block twice, or whether it was my own error.

Never used one. IPv6 /8 block consists of 2^56 unique /64 subnets.
Surely it's possible to choose several unique /64 subnets by using, say,
ipv6calc.

Reco

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IPv4 v IPv6 mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-06-17 11:10 +0200
  Re: IPv4 v IPv6 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-17 11:20 +0200
    Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Aidan Gauland <aidalgol@fastmail.net> - 2019-06-17 12:30 +0200
      Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2019-06-18 09:30 +0200
  Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-17 12:10 +0200
    Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-17 16:40 +0200
      Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-06-17 17:00 +0200
        Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-17 18:30 +0200
        Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-17 19:00 +0200
          Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-06-17 19:10 +0200
            Re: SOLVED was IPv4 v IPv6 discussion that went off the rails. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-18 02:10 +0200
          Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-06-17 19:10 +0200
            Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-17 19:40 +0200
              Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-06-17 20:00 +0200
            Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-17 20:00 +0200
            Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-06-18 14:50 +0200
              Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-06-18 14:50 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-06-18 15:10 +0200
          Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Dennis Wicks <wix@mgssub.com> - 2019-06-27 22:40 +0200
            Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-27 23:30 +0200
        Re: IPv4 v IPv6 John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-17 20:30 +0200
          Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-06-17 22:10 +0200
            Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Robin Hammond <rdhdroid@gmail.com> - 2019-06-17 22:20 +0200
              Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-06-18 00:50 +0200
              Re: IPv4 v IPv6 John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-18 04:10 +0200
          Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-18 02:20 +0200
      Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-06-17 17:40 +0200
        Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-06-18 12:00 +0200
          Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-06-18 12:40 +0200
            Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-06-18 13:50 +0200
              Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-06-18 16:20 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-06-18 16:50 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-06-18 18:20 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Linux Dave <mckisicd@gmail.com> - 2019-06-20 20:40 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-06-20 20:40 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2019-06-20 20:50 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-20 21:00 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-06-20 21:10 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-18 17:40 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-06-18 18:30 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-06-18 18:20 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-06-18 18:30 +0200
      Re: IPv4 v IPv6 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-18 18:20 +0200
        Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-06-18 18:30 +0200
          Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-18 18:40 +0200
          Re: IPv4 v IPv6 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-22 05:10 +0200
            Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-06-22 10:50 +0200
              Re: IPv4 v IPv6 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-24 20:20 +0200
            Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-06-22 21:40 +0200
              Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-22 22:50 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-22 23:40 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-23 02:30 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-23 05:00 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-23 08:30 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-06-23 11:20 +0200
              Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-06-26 20:40 +0200
                Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-26 21:00 +0200
    Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-06-18 11:50 +0200
      Re: IPv4 v IPv6 Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-21 17:30 +0200
  Re: IPv4 v IPv6 andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-02 11:10 +0200

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