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| From | Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem |
| Date | 2019-01-04 13:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xcwVz-hl-9@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <xciIW-a7-13@gated-at.bofh.it> <xcjc0-kI-25@gated-at.bofh.it> <xcjEZ-JW-9@gated-at.bofh.it> <xclx7-1Tx-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <xcuK6-7uH-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| Organization | linux.* mail to news gateway |
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:16:57AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (2019-01-04): > > Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic. > > And I have not suggested that Roberto become a kernel hacker. I hope you > noticed. > I tried about 15 years ago. It turns out I couldn't hack it :-) I am older and wiser now, so I suppose I could, but my interests are now elsewhere. > > To > > operate a PC means you know how to power on, login, start and use > > application > > What applications can they use if nobody installed them? You have a > strange opinion of how a PC works. > > There is no going around it: a PC is a very complex piece of technology. > For everyday use, the complexity is well hidden, but not all day is > everyday. There are unavoidably cases when somebody needs to deal with > the complexity. In that case, there are only three options: > > - pay somebody competent to do the job, or else entice them to do the > job for free; > > - become competent; > > - go live in a cave. > The line between operator and administrator has been blurry since the beginning of computing. Just as people who own automobiles today need to know far less in terms of mechanical diagnosis and repair than those who owned automobiles 100 years ago, operating a Unix-like computer today can be successfully accomplished with far less in the way knowledge of system administration than was possible 20 or 30 years ago. That said, like owning an automobile, with a computer sometimes things break or quit working as expected. The machine then either has to be repaired or replaced and if the owner cannot handle the job on his or her own, then somebody else will need to handle it (and likely be paid for the service). Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 17:40 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-03 18:20 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 18:40 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-01-03 19:00 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-03 20:40 +0100
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-03 21:20 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 21:30 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-01-03 21:40 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 22:20 +0100
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-03 21:40 +0100
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 23:00 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-01-03 23:30 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 01:30 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-01-04 11:20 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-01-04 13:40 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-01-04 13:40 +0100
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-01-04 21:20 +0100
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 20:50 +0100
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-01-04 15:00 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 19:30 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-01-04 19:40 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 21:00 +0100
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Re: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 23:00 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-01-04 19:50 +0100
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-03 19:00 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 20:20 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-03 20:50 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 21:40 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-03 21:50 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 22:10 +0100
Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2019-01-04 03:20 +0100
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Re: Upgrade Problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-01-04 11:50 +0100
Re: Upgrade Problem Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-01-04 13:00 +0100
Re: Upgrade Problem Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-01-04 14:30 +0100
Re: Upgrade Problem songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2019-01-03 20:00 +0100
Re: Upgrade Problem "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-03 20:40 +0100
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