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Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations

From	Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations
Date	2018-03-25 20:50 +0200
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On Sun 25 Mar 2018 at 14:06:53 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 06:48:15PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 25 Mar 2018 at 11:52:13 -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > The PIN for my credit card has only four digits.
> > 
> > >    * I don't change the passwords as often as I should
> > 
> > There isn't and never has been a need to do this. Passwords don't
> > deteriorate with age.
> > 
> I disagree. Forced password changes are annoying and counterproductive,

Those two attributes may be a consequence of forced password changes but
are not sufficient to advocate or not advocate such a strategey.

> but there is an argument to be made for users periodically changing
> their passwords. The Yahoo! data breach, for example, did not become
> publically known until long after the breach. Even then, the scope
> continued to expand as additional related breaches were discovered that
> had taken place even earlier.

1 day after the breach your data had been compromised. Changing your
password 10 days later on in your 1 month cycle doesn't seem to me to
be reactive security. Better than nothing, I suppose, but closing the
door after etc.

In any case, your 20 character, high entropy password was your ultimate
defence. (Not unless Yahoo! didn't hash).

> There are some sites which force me to change my password periodically
> and find them annoying because the passwords do not protect anything
> important enough to warrant that. On the other hand, there are some
> sites where I regularly change my password to guard against a hacker
> gaining continuing access to my account/data following a breach.

If I had so little confidence in the password hashing procedures at the
site I might do the same. My problem would then come down to predicting
when a likely breach would occur.

-- 
Brian.

> 
> While you are right that passwords do not deteriorate, they do get
> compromised. The last few years have shown that it happens with rather
> shocking regularity.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Roberto
> 
> -- 
> Roberto C. Sánchez
>

Thread

Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 18:00 +0200
  Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations likcoras <likcoras@riseup.net> - 2018-03-25 18:40 +0200
    Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2018-03-26 00:10 +0200
  Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-25 19:50 +0200
    Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-03-25 20:10 +0200
      Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-25 20:50 +0200
        Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Ángel <debian-user@debian.16bits.net> - 2018-03-25 23:20 +0200
          Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-26 21:40 +0200
            Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 04:50 +0200
  Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-03-26 02:40 +0200
    Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-26 04:00 +0200
      Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-26 22:00 +0200
        Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-26 23:40 +0200
          Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-03-27 10:10 +0200
            Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 14:50 +0200
              Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 15:00 +0200
        Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 03:10 +0200
          Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Abdullah Ramazanoglu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-27 03:40 +0200
          Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2018-03-27 07:00 +0200
            Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 14:40 +0200
          Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-03-27 10:00 +0200
            Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 14:50 +0200
          Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-27 13:20 +0200
            Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-03-28 04:30 +0200
              Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-28 12:40 +0200
          Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Tomaž Šolc <tomaz.solc@tablix.org> - 2018-03-30 14:00 +0200
            Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-03-30 14:50 +0200
              Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 16:10 +0200
                Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 01:00 +0200
            Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 16:00 +0200
              Re: Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager  opinions and recommendations Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-03-30 16:20 +0200
              Re: Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager  opinions and recommendations "der.hans" <deb-user@LuftHans.com> - 2018-03-30 20:20 +0200
    Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations "der.hans" <deb-user@LuftHans.com> - 2018-03-30 10:50 +0200
      Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 15:20 +0200
        Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations "der.hans" <deb-user@LuftHans.com> - 2018-03-30 21:00 +0200
          Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-03-31 03:50 +0200
            Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 15:10 +0200
              Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re:  Password Manager opinions and recommendations) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-02 15:20 +0200
                Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 20:30 +0200
              Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re:  Password Manager opinions and recommendations) Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 15:30 +0200
              Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager likcoras <likcoras@riseup.net> - 2018-04-02 16:00 +0200
              Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2018-04-03 01:30 +0200
              Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re:  Password Manager opinions and recommendations) "der.hans" <deb-user@LuftHans.com> - 2018-04-03 02:10 +0200
              Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-03 08:00 +0200
                Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-03 13:50 +0200
                Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 18:30 +0200
              Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re:  Password Manager opinions and recommendations) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-04-03 11:40 +0200
              Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re:  Password Manager opinions and recommendations) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-04-03 21:10 +0200
  Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Abdullah Ramazanoglu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 03:40 +0200
    Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Abdullah Ramazanoglu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 04:20 +0200
      Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-03-26 05:10 +0200
  Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-03-26 04:00 +0200

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