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Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines

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On Monday 30 April 2018 10:09:44 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 04:18:01PM +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote:
> > AFAIK it is still there untouched in git sources, as originally
> > mentioned in the bug report
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=896806
> >
> > That aside, the question of whether it will ever get fixed in
> > upstream or not, is of secondary importance. OTOH, the fact that
> > official Debian developers and maintainers adopted a stance of
> > neglecting users' privacy is of utmost importance.
>
> That is a rather serious charge to make and one which is not supported
> by the evidence in this matter. Without a doubt there are personality
> issues, misunderstandings, and miscommunications. However, accusations
> of malice should be made with the utmost of care or not at all.
>
> > I had taken Debian Social Contract and DFSG for granted for a long
> > time. This thing forced me to review my assumptions about Debian.
>
> In what way? Debian as a project is made up of ~1000 official
> developers and thousands more contributors enaged in a variety of
> different efforts. To expect perfect conformance and adherence is
> somewhat unreasonable. People make mistakes.
>
> It appears that the issue here (with systemd-resolved) is most likely
> an honest mistake or perhaps an oversight.  Had Martin (the reporter
> of the bug) ended his bug report with the sentence, "Unless all four
> conditions are true, the default Google DNS servers are not used." and
> left out the last few paragraphs, I suspect the reaction would have
> been somewhat different. The fact is, however, that the second half of
> the bug report is essentially a screed against Google, is focused
> entirely on the "wrongs" of Google, completely ignores the fact that
> Google makes a great deal of positive contribution to the community,
> and also ignores the fact that quite a number of past and present
> Debian developers work or have worked at Google.
>
> A far more effective approach would have been to include a patch to
> the Debian bug report that effected the desired change. Even better, a
> patch should have been submitted to upstream that added a configure or
> build option to disable the Google DNS servers. Then the Debian bug
> report could have a included a link to the proposed upstream patch.
>
> Speaking as someone who is involved in maintaining quite a few
> different packages, my preferences for making changes to a Debian
> package are odered like so:
>
> 1. New upstream release
> 2. Patch created from commit made to upstream source
> 3. Patch created from patch proposed to upstream project
> 4. Patch submitted to Debian BTS
> 5. Patch I have to conjure up myself
> 6. Somebody screaming at me that I need to fix something
>
> Additionally, as the level of inflamatory rhetoric in a bug report
> increases, the more difficult it is to get motivated to work on fixing
> it.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto

You make an extremely valid point Roberto, and I shouldn't have to point 
out that each of us, including me and you, is inclined to walk away when 
the rhetoric gets inflamatory. So I'd say, like I say to a military 
veteran, thank you for your service, such thanks is well deserved.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines Martin Hanson <greencoppermine@yandex.com> - 2018-04-29 19:10 +0200
  Re: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-29 19:50 +0200
  Re: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines Abdullah Ramazanoglu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-29 20:10 +0200
  Re: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-04-29 20:10 +0200
  Re: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-04-29 21:30 +0200
  Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-29 22:00 +0200
    Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software  Guidelines Abdullah Ramazanoglu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-29 22:40 +0200
      Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software  Guidelines <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-30 07:10 +0200
        Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software  Guidelines Abdullah Ramazanoglu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 14:20 +0200
          Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software  Guidelines <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-30 14:50 +0200
            Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software  Guidelines Abdullah Ramazanoglu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 15:40 +0200
              Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software  Guidelines Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-04-30 16:30 +0200
                Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-04-30 17:10 +0200
                Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software  Guidelines Abdullah Ramazanoglu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-01 00:40 +0200
                Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software  Guidelines Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 00:50 +0200
              Re: Bug#896806: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software  Guidelines Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-04-30 20:00 +0200
  Re: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 22:00 +0200
  Re: systemd-resolved violates The Debian Free Software Guidelines Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-04-29 22:10 +0200

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