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Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then startx to start kde5

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On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 07:22:53PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă composed on 2017-10-18 20:47 (UTC+0200):
> 
> > I never understood the need for desktop managers. I use Debian since
> > hamm and Linux/Unix since 1995. My take is that desktop managers are
> > for people more used to microsoft OS'. Why do I need to click on
> > something when the xterm I type in can call any program I need?... 
> 
> Finding a wanted app to run from a classified tree list of 30 or 40 or 50 or
> more applications is easier for most people than remembering the name and any
> required startup options to type, both for those uncommonly used, and even for
> the commonly used ones if there are more than a scant few such.

All generalizations suck.

My experience is that there's some tension between "easy to learn for a
newcomer" and "ergonomic for an experienced user". And my hunch is that,
in the last decennium, the "newcomer" part has been overemphasized to
a paradoxical level, where even the newcomers aren't treated very well
(an over-padded desktop environment which behaves erratically because
their creators don't master its exploding complexity[1] *is*
user-unfriendly, after all).

I think we should strive for a continuum which welcomes newcomers but
offers them a path towards experienced users they may follow if they
wish. Baroque complexity and arbitrary barriers (here users, there
sysadmins, yonder app programmers and far out, system programmers)
don't help.

The worst part is that nowadays there are strong financial incentives
in keeping users dumb. Watch the silos of Apple, Microsoft, Google,
Facebook et al. to see what I mean.

Cheers

[1] And no, I don't think Gnome's or KDE's creators are idiots, on
   the contrary. But I definitely believe they've fallen to one of
   the programmers "virtues" (Larry Wall): hubris.

- -- tomás
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removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Stephane L <stephanel35@yahoo.fr> - 2017-10-17 14:00 +0200
  Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Stephane L <stephanel35@yahoo.fr> - 2017-10-17 14:20 +0200
  Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2017-10-17 14:20 +0200
    Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Stephane L <stephanel35@yahoo.fr> - 2017-10-17 14:30 +0200
      Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2017-10-17 14:50 +0200
        Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Stephane L <stephanel35@yahoo.fr> - 2017-10-17 16:00 +0200
          Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2017-10-17 16:10 +0200
            Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-10-17 16:20 +0200
              Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2017-10-17 16:40 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-10-17 16:40 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-10-17 18:40 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2017-10-17 21:10 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Stephane L <stephanel35@yahoo.fr> - 2017-10-17 22:30 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-17 18:40 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-10-17 19:50 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-10-17 20:00 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-17 20:40 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-17 21:40 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-10-17 22:00 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-17 23:50 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-22 09:30 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-10-17 20:50 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-10-19 01:00 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2017-10-18 11:20 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă <I.M.Ciobica@gmail.com> - 2017-10-18 20:50 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-18 21:20 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă <I.M.Ciobica@gmail.com> - 2017-10-18 21:50 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-19 01:30 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-10-19 08:30 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-20 00:10 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-20 10:50 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-21 18:40 +0200
                Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-21 21:50 +0200
            Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then  startx to start kde5 Stephane L <stephanel35@yahoo.fr> - 2017-10-17 16:20 +0200

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