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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] |
| Date | 2017-04-26 22:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tABJw-7at-7@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On 04/26/2017 10:02 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 26 April 2017 15:36:36 Richard Owlett wrote: >> On 04/26/2017 07:50 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 08:35:44AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: >>>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:25:18PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: >>>>> For interface statistics from ip, try "ip -s link [interface]". >>>> >>>> On stretch: >>>> >>>> wooledg:~$ ip -s link eth0 >>>> Command "eth0" is unknown, try "ip link help". >>>> >>>> wooledg:~$ ip -s link dev eth0 >>>> Command "dev" is unknown, try "ip link help". >>>> >>>> wooledg:~$ ip link help >>>> [... enormous BNF dump, entirely missing -s, or any reference whatsoever >>>> to the fact that you can stick options between "ip" and "link" ...] >>>> >>>> wooledg:~$ ip -s link show eth0 >>>> 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast >>>> state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 >>>> link/ether a0:8c:fd:c3:89:e0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff >>>> RX: bytes packets errors dropped overrun mcast >>>> 380719013 1442490 0 0 0 4731 >>>> TX: bytes packets errors dropped carrier collsns >>>> 57971257 614586 0 0 0 0 >>>> >>>> Aha! >>> >>> My bad. I actually only got as far as discovering "ip -s link" on my own >>> system. As I was typing up the email I remembered that Richard was after >>> statistics for a specific interface. I should have been more diligent in >>> working out the correct format. >>> >>>> (Sadly, this is my *typical* experience with the ip command -- trying >>>> random things until one of them works, because the documentation >>>> is impenetrable, and the syntax barely guessable, and certainly not >>>> predictable.) >>> >>> ip *could* do a lot better, it's true. As a monolithic tool, there's not >>> really much excuse for the different sub-tools to parse the commands >>> differently. As you say, "ip address" expects the device to be expressed >>> as "dev eth0", so why doesn't "ip link" handle it the same way? I don't >>> know. >> >> I would go further saying iproute2 is non-functional due to being >> functionally un-documented. >> >> https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/iproute2/ip.8.en.html is useless. >> >> Functional commands, for this thread's topic would be >> ip -s link >> or >> ip -s link ls usb0 >> >> No hint of either in so-called man page. >> >> I accidentally discovered it by following up links when doing DuckDuckGo >> search for "documentation iproute2" (w/o quotes). >> >> I then did another netinst of testing. There is some subset of the "ip" >> command available after the network has been configured. The help is too >> abbreviated to be useful. > > But did /sbin/ifconfig work? > <chuckle> Had no reason to try. Whenever I come across a command that *SHOULD* work, but does not, the first diagnostic step is attempt to run the *IDENTICAL* command as root. In the *MAJORITY* of cases that it runs demonstrates that someone at sometime decided to restrict some computer owners from using their own computer in a reasonable manner. Remember Linux borrows heavily from an OS designed in another era for a another audience. I have yet to run across a case where any distinction should be made between "user richard" and "user root". I do not take that as necessary and sufficient conditions to abolish questionable conventions. They might be occasionally valuable. In the age of laptops, tablets, and so-called "smart phones" I think the more relevant basic distinction would be between "physically local user" and "physically external user". Haven't yet figured out what to propose that wouldn't "throw baby out with the bath water". <previous was a free opinion piece ;>
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Measuring aggregate internet useage? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-23 12:30 +0200
Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2017-04-24 11:40 +0200
Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-24 13:00 +0200
Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-24 13:20 +0200
Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 13:20 +0200
Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-04-24 23:20 +0200
Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-25 15:20 +0200
BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-26 14:20 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-04-26 14:30 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-04-26 14:40 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-04-26 15:00 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-04-26 15:40 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-26 16:40 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-04-26 17:10 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2017-04-26 17:40 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 17:10 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-26 22:30 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-04-27 08:50 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-04-27 20:30 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 21:00 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 20:40 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 20:20 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-01 20:50 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 21:40 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-26 14:40 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 16:10 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-04-26 16:20 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 16:30 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-04-26 16:40 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-04-26 18:00 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-04-26 16:40 +0200
Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?] Jochen Spieker <ml@well-adjusted.de> - 2017-04-26 14:40 +0200
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