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| From | mo <mo777@gmx.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery |
| Date | 2016-10-01 14:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <snrh8-8fA-13@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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Am 01.10.2016 um 13:36 schrieb Mark Fletcher: > On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 11:06:07AM +0200, mo wrote: >> >> I think i should elaborate a little more on my setup.. i guess i did not >> make that very clear in the first place, sorry about that. >> >> My network is consisting of the following systems: >> >> Main PC - 192.168.23.11 (Running Debian Jessie) >> Server - 192.168.23.200 (Running Debian Jessie) >> >> The server is always online, the PC is only half of the day on. >> >> What i want to do now is the following: >> >> Sending mail from my Main PC to my Server and also the other way around, >> from the Server to my Main PC. >> The Server should also be able to send mail to the "outside" (Meaning to >> other SMTP servers). >> The second requirement is optional since i dont own a domain and all this is >> sitting locally at my home. The most important thing for me is to send and >> receive mail from both systems in my home network. >> I hope this made my problem a little clearer :) >> > > Right. So you get mail going back and forth between your two machines, > server and PC, by creating and populating the hubbed_hosts file I > talked about in my previous mail, on both machines, pointing at each > other of course. I created the hubbed_hosts file under /etc/exim4 and it now works fine, i can send mail from my server to my pc and vice versa :) > If you want to ping the server from the client, you should be able to do > "ping server.local" from your PC (obviously replace the actual name of > your server, which you didn't include in your mail, where I put server). > What is happening if you do that is your PC is saying "get me the > address of server.local!" and the Avahi daemon on your PC either already > knows that, or sends out a broadcast message to your network saying "is > there a server.local in the house???". The Avahi daemon running on the > server responds to that saying "yes, I'm here, and my IP address is > 192.168.23.200!". The Avahi daemon on your PC responds to whatever did > the asking (ping in this case) with the required IP. Ping then requests > that packets be sent to IP address quoted. By this mechanism computers > on the same LAN can communicate with each other peer to peer without > fannying around with full-blown DNS, which is what Avahi is for. That is > installed by the Jessie installer by default as far as I can tell, so > both your machines should have it. It doesn't require any configuration, > so if you haven't touched it, it should work as I have described. > Although obviously, you have to substitute the real names for your > server and PC (but you *do* require the .local unless you have configured > Avahi to use something else) I'm currently not using avahi as a matter of fact, but it works all fine without it ;) (I have static entries in the /etc/hosts file for my server and for the pc - on each system of course) I have never really worked with avahi... i kinda ask myself why do i need it if i can just use DNS or static entries in /etc/hosts. /etc/nsswitch.conf is also configured to lookup the /etc/hosts file first. I know this question is OT, but since you mentioned avahi maybe i can ask you what kind of benefits avahi can offer me? :) (I'm having a statically configured network with 4 machines) > If you used the default config of exim4 the hubbed_hosts router is set > up and waiting to be used. All you need to do to enable it is to > populate the hubbed_hosts file as I described. The other thing you need > to do is follow Liam's advice, except importantly what needs to be set > there is the "domain" of the local PC (on the local PC) or the server > (on the server) only. So the PC will accept mail for pc.local (or > whatever your pc is called) and the server for server.local (or whatever > the server is called). Then, you will be able to email yourself at the > server from the PC by sending a mail to mo@server.local, where I am > assuming your user name on the server is mo and the server's machine > name is server. Obviously you would substitute real names. And to go the > other way, from the server, you could send a mail to yourself on the PC > by mailing mo@pc.local. I have asked that before i believe, sorry if this question shows up twice.... But why do i even need to set up hubbed_hosts? I don't really understand why... Should exim not consider the /etc/hosts file to resolve the ip of my pc or server (Which i have entered there) Also i have seen (before it worked) in the log that i get a "destination unreachable"... I just don't understand why exim needs to rely on the hubbed_hosts being set up? (I hope you can understand what i mean, if not i will try my best to make it clearer :D ) > Let's take a moment to go through what happens if you send a mail from > PC to server with everything set up as it should be. > > On the PC you create a mail and address it to mo@server.local. Let's > imagine you use mutt to create it. And let's assume mutt is using its > default configuration to send the mail, which is to call sendmail. And, > since you have installed exim4, exim has overridden sendmail to actually > be calling exim4. So, when mutt sends a mail, exim4 running on your PC > gets handed the mail. > > The first thing it does, is say is this mail for this domain. Hmmm. I am > pc.local. This mail is going to server.local. That ain't me. So not > local delivery. OK, next I will try hubbed hosts. Do I have any > hubbed_hosts? Let's look in the hubbed_hosts file. Yep, I do. Can i find > the @server.local domain in the hubbed_hosts file? Yes, I can. Right, > where do I send it then? Ah, I send it to a machine called server.local. > OK... Oi! Network! Gimme the address for server.local....... (this is > where Avahi does its thing)...Thanks! Right, Connect to 192.168.23.200 > port 25! > > At this point the exim4 running on your server gets a dig in the ribs, > wakes up, and responds to the connection. The two exim4s talk to each > other and the net result is the mail gets transferred from the exim4 > running on the PC to the exim4 running on the server. > > Then the exim4 running on the server goes through the same rigmarole, > except it finds that the mail IS addressed to a local address, so it > goes into delivery mode and the mail finds its way into the right > mailbox on that machine. > > Now let's consider what would happen if you tried instead to send a mail > to the debian user mailing list from your PC (but the same would apply > to your server). You can't do this using mo@pc.local, because A) your > ISP most likely won't let you and B) most recipient domains will reject > that. Instead you have to use a "real" email address, ie one provided by > your ISP or something like a gmail account or similar. You'll have to > have configured exim4 in smarthost mode and you will have to have > configured exim4 to know what your outgoing mail server name is. For > example, for the specific case of sending to this mailing list, I use > gmail for outgoing mail and their server name is smtp.gmail.com if I > recall correctly. You'll also have had to put your email user name and > password into a file called passwd.client in your /etc/exim4 config > directory. Since this contains your email password, make sure the file > is owned by root and not world readable! > > Then, any address that isn't local to the machine, and also isn't in the > hubbed_hosts file, will be treated as external and exim4 will connect to > the smarthost (your email provider's server) and pass on the message to > be delivered by it. > > Net result -- you send an email from PC to Server, it gets delivered > directly by a conversation between the two exim4 instances. You send a > mail anywhere else, it gets handed off to your real-world (not that the > inside of your home is not "real"!) email provider for delivery. Very great and detailed explanation, thank you very much! :) > Now, a word on exim4 config. Be sure to read the *DEBIAN* wiki etc on > configuring exim4, as the DEBIAN config is a bit different to what you > will find upstream. Let me save you a bit of time. > > First, there are two ways to configure exim4, using one big config file > which is found in /var/lib/exim4, or using a config directory containing > a bunch of small config files each handling one small piece of the > configuration. Opinions abound on which is better, I have no opinion. By > default, exim4 on Debian will use the single file approach. Second, > Debian constructs the config file by using a TEMPLATE to be found in > /etc/exim4, and a second configuration file called > update-exim4.conf.conf (yes, the conf file for updating the conf > file......) You put your specific config in the update-exim4.conf.conf > file, then when you are done you run update-exim4.conf as root > (update-exim4.conf is actually a program, not a conf file... > update-exim4.conf.conf is a conf file...) and restart exim4. The > update-exim4.conf program combines the template with the specific info > in update-exim4.conf.conf and writes the result to > /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated which is the config exim4 on Debian > uses. This can also be done by running dpkg-reconfigure exim4.conf as > Liam suggested, but I think there are more things you can do with > update-exim4.conf.conf than the questions dpkg-reconfigure will ask you, > so it wouldn't hurt to get familiar with what is going on under the hood > when you do dpkg-reconfigure, but that's just my opinion. That sure is nice to know, i will have a look at the wiki page ;) (This saves me quite a lot of time :D Thx!) > If you need more specific help on how to get your local exim4 talking to > an external email provider, or for that matter if you need me to clarify > anything about getting local machine to local machine email working, > post back here. As far as i understood it i need to set up exim as a smarthost of i want to send mail of to other smtp servers, for example gmail. I guess i will try that out as a next step, so i can send myself mail to my gmail or gmx account.... Well, since you asked: Is it enough to run 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and use the smarthost option from the curses menu? > Also, being able to receive replies to externally sent mails back into > your machine locally, needs another bit of setup. If you need that, let > us know and I'll help with that part too (it is where fetchmail comes > in). But, there is nothing to stop you using whatever mail client you > use today to read your email as you presumably do now, and you'll see > the mails you sent locally there in your sent mail (depending on the > precise behaviour of your provider's mail server) > > Hope that helped clarify things. Sorry for the length of this but > someone has finally asked for help with something I know something > about, and I'm keen to help! :) > Your explanations sure helped me a lot, i can see clearer now, thx for that and of course for the long mail ;) Thx! :) > Mark > Greets mo
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Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-09-30 22:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 00:50 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 04:00 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 12:40 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 13:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 13:50 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Clive Menzies <clive@clivemenzies.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 14:00 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 14:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 14:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 14:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 14:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 14:40 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:00 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 15:00 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 15:00 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 15:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:40 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 16:20 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 16:40 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2016-10-01 16:00 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 16:20 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 11:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 12:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 12:40 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 14:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 14:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 14:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:00 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 15:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 14:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 13:40 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 14:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-10-01 14:20 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 16:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 18:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 20:20 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 22:50 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 00:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 02:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 13:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-02 10:50 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 23:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 00:40 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 02:10 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 14:00 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 14:50 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-10-02 15:20 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 15:50 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 15:40 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 17:30 +0200
Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-10-01 22:50 +0200
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