Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved

From	Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved
Date	2016-09-14 11:10 +0200
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On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 02:44:14 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-13 20:50 (UTC-0400):
> ...
> >But maybe someone
> >can tell me why the installer can't look at the partitions and determine that there
> >is some kind of OS already installed?  Why does it have to know about Windows 10 to
> >behave sensibly?  "Curious minds . . . "
> 
> As explained by Brian on 2016-09-13 15:40 (UTC+0100), first came Jessie,
> then came Windows 10, and an apparent solution has since been provided for
> those who choose to install a Debian version younger than Windows 10.

I might have come to an invalid conclusion from reading the changelog
snippet quoted earlier and then went to lay far too much emphasis on
Jessie d-i preceding Windows 10. What is fixed is not whether an entry
for Windows 10 is displayed but the wording of the entry in the GRUB
menu.

Apologies for anything misleading.

> It does seem curious that the Debian installer would need knowledge of a
> particular Windows version in order to provide a boot menu selection for it,
> rather than simply having one that says "Windows", booting from whatever
> non-native/NTFS filesystem it happens to find containing anything resembling
> boot sector code.

Yes it does appear curious, especially as the implication in the
changelog (and a few reports I've seen elsewhere) is that a Windows 10
install can be discovered by os-prober but provides "Windows Recovery
Partition" as GRUB's menu entry.

> Should you be game to try installing Jessie again, you might try a network
> installation started via a Stretch installer. Possibly (I haven't tried, and
> not only do I have no interest in kicking either of my sleeping dog Windows
> 10s, I'm exclusively responsible for primary bootloader maintenance on all
> my computers, and rarely allow os-prober to run.) the os-prober shortcoming
> that troubled you might be avoided in such manner.

os-prober from stretch/unstable should install on Jessie with 'dpkg -i'
but I am much less confident it would fix a missing entry, even though
it should do no harm to try.

Another possibilty is

  https://wiki.debian.org/DualBoot/Windows10

Thread

Fwd: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-12 01:00 +0200
  Re: Fwd: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Dutch Ingraham <stoa@gmx.us> - 2016-09-12 01:20 +0200
  Re: Fwd: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-12 04:50 +0200
    Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-12 05:20 +0200
      Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-12 12:50 +0200
      Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-12 20:20 +0200
        Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-12 21:20 +0200
        Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 00:40 +0200
          Re: icedove: failed to connect server XXX@gmail.com "Neal P. Murphy" <neal.p.murphy@alum.wpi.edu> - 2016-09-13 01:10 +0200
          Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-13 15:00 +0200
            Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-13 16:50 +0200
              Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-13 19:10 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-13 21:40 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 22:10 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-13 23:20 +0200
            Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-09-13 19:30 +0200
              Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 23:00 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-14 03:00 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-14 08:50 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-14 11:10 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-14 17:40 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 19:00 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-14 21:00 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 21:10 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-14 22:50 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-14 23:20 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-15 00:10 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 01:40 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-15 02:00 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:10 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-15 14:40 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 20:10 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-15 23:50 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-15 02:20 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to  run...) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-15 02:10 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to  run...) Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2016-09-15 12:10 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-15 12:50 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2016-09-15 13:00 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to  run...) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-15 18:20 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> - 2016-09-15 18:50 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to  run...) Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-15 19:50 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 20:00 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to  run...) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-15 20:30 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to run...) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 22:50 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast (was: How to get Jessie to  run...) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-15 20:10 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-15 21:30 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-16 03:10 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 03:40 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-16 04:40 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-09-16 11:10 +0200
                Re: internet connectivity from Comcast Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-16 05:00 +0200
                Re: Windows Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-09-16 10:40 +0200
                Re: Windows Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:10 +0200
                Re: Windows Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:40 +0200
                Re: Windows (really about cut&paste) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-16 16:20 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:30 +0200
                Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:30 +0200
        Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-13 22:00 +0200
      Re: How to get Jessie to run at boot time -- Problem solved David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-13 21:20 +0200

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