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Xen schreef op 27-12-2016 23:13:

> Lost my temper there, Winston would say. Yes, I play video games too.
> What's the problem with that? You have a problem with that too? :).

Also still want to add, If I may.

That even Mediawiki probably doesn't provide all the tools you'd need to 
completely circumvent the filesystem.

For example, no one in his right mind would probably use Media-wiki 
specific tools to back up the database. Also Media-wiki probably stores 
all content in the database, so it is not even equivalent here.

Those people who say you are doing the wrong thing would also resort to 
the wrong thing if shit hit the fan. And that's all I can say about it. 
If they really ended up in a problem situation they would *also* do that 
"wrong thing" to solve the problem and get or keep their company 
running, for instance.

When in a practical situation all those petty concerns about what is 
right and what is wrong do not matter anymore. What matters then is 
results and nothing else. That,  I wanted to say here.

You will use the appropriate tools to solve the problem at hand NOW, 
yes, you too will do that. And if the "right tools" won't do that, you 
will use the "wrong tools" because they then actually yield results 
whereas the "right tools" don't for example because they do not even 
exist.

I really wonder if anyone here backs up a Media-wiki database for 
example by using some Media-wiki "export" function or if in fact you 
back up the (MySQL) database yourself. I really think I can predict all 
of us are going to use filesystem tools indeed. And not Media-wiki 
tools.

Drupal for instance has "drush sql-dump" to export the (MySQL) database 
but are you seriously going to use that every time you export or back-up 
the database? Why should you?

I don't like snapshots but they are certainly the easiest way to back-up 
any filesystem without interruption. And even if you didn't mysqldump 
might still be the more appropriate tool 
(http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/mysqldump.html) and will cover 
other databases as well (tables) (and besides) drush sql-dump uses 
mysqldump too.

Everyone in the right position would use the "wrong" tool because it 
would work whereas the "right" tool would not or would not even be 
available. When it comes down to it, practical matters supersede 
theoretical concerns, but you can't see this from the comfort of your 
seat into another person's computer or site or server.

So please, some leniency with the "inadequacies" of other people because 
they might be doing the right thing whereas you can't see that they do 
because you do not have the information for it. Not all situations are 
identical and everyone chooses the appropriate path for him or herself.

I hope that is enough now.

Regards.

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        Re: chgrp with user Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> - 2016-12-27 12:30 +0100
  Re: chgrp with user deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 00:50 +0100
    Re: chgrp with user Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> - 2016-12-23 01:20 +0100
      Re: chgrp with user Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-12-23 09:40 +0100
        Re: chgrp with user Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> - 2016-12-27 13:30 +0100
          Re: chgrp with user Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-12-27 16:00 +0100
            Re: chgrp with user Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> - 2016-12-27 16:40 +0100
              Re: chgrp with user deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 21:10 +0100
                Re: chgrp with user Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-12-27 22:50 +0100
                Re: chgrp with user Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> - 2016-12-27 23:00 +0100
                Re: chgrp with user Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> - 2016-12-27 23:20 +0100
                Re: chgrp with user Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> - 2016-12-28 13:40 +0100
                Re: chgrp with user deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 20:20 +0100
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